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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ VI

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2004 12:25 pm
Another hero that served during the Vietnam conflict in the reserves.
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My War
February 15, 2004
By LARRY DAVID

LOS ANGELES

I couldn't be happier that President Bush has stood up for
having served in the National Guard, because I can finally
put an end to all those who questioned my motives for
enlisting in the Army Reserve at the height of the Vietnam
War. I can't tell you how many people thought I had signed
up just to avoid going to Vietnam. Nothing could be further
from the truth. If anything, I was itching to go over
there. I was just out of college and, let's face it, you
can't buy that kind of adventure. More important, I wanted
to do my part in saving that tiny country from the scourge
of Communism. We had to draw the line somewhere, and if not
me, then who?

But I also knew that our country was being torn asunder by
opposition to the war. Who would be here to defend the
homeland against civil unrest? Or what if some national
emergency should arise? We needed well-trained men on the
ready to deal with any situation. It began to dawn on me
that perhaps my country needed me more at home than
overseas. Sure, being a reservist wasn't as glamorous, but
I was the one who had to look at myself in the mirror.

Even though the National Guard and Army Reserve see combat
today, it rankles me that people assume it was some kind of
waltz in the park back then. If only. Once a month, for an
entire weekend - I'm talking eight hours Saturday and
Sunday - we would meet in a dank, cold airplane hangar. The
temperature in that hangar would sometimes get down to 40
degrees, and very often I had to put on long underwear,
which was so restrictive I suffered from an acute vascular
disorder for days afterward. Our captain was a strict
disciplinarian who wouldn't think twice about not letting
us wear sneakers or breaking up a poker game if he was in
ill humor. Once, they took us into the woods and dropped us
off with nothing but compasses and our wits. One wrong move
and I could've wound up on Queens Boulevard. Fortunately, I
had the presence of mind to find my way out of there and
back to the hangar. Some of my buddies did not fare as well
and had to call their parents to come and get them.

Then in the summer we would go away to camp for two weeks.
It felt more like three. I wondered if I'd ever see my
parakeet again. We slept on cots and ate in the
International House of Pancakes. I learned the first night
that IHOP's not the place to order fish. When the two weeks
were up, I came home a changed man. I would often burst
into tears for no apparent reason and suffered recurring
nightmares about drowning in blueberry syrup. If I hadn't
been so strapped for cash, I would've sought the aid of a
psychiatrist.

In those days, reserve duty lasted for six years, which, I
might add, was three times as long as service in the
regular army, although to be perfectly honest, I was unable
to fulfill my entire obligation because I was taking acting
classes and they said I could skip my last year. I'll
always be eternally grateful to the Pentagon for allowing
me to pursue my dreams.

Still, after all this time, whenever I've mentioned my
service in the Reserve during Vietnam, it's been met with
sneers and derision. But now, thanks to President Bush, I
can stand up proudly alongside him and all the other guys
who guarded the home front. Finally, we no longer have to
be embarrassed about our contribution during those very
trying years.

Larry David, who served in the Army Reserve in the 1970's,
appears in the HBO series "Curb Your Enthusiasm."


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/15/opinion/15DAVI.html?ex=1077853178&ei=1&en=59a40a59917f972a
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theollady
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2004 01:01 pm
C.I. That is GOOD. Very apt , re: the guard vs. draft and enlistment
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Kara
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2004 03:58 pm
c.i., I laughed out loud when I read that in my NYTimes this morning. It started out seriously and as if it was a straight take on the situation.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2004 04:08 pm
Steve's quote, "Walter, surely a lot of Germans did protest at the rise of Hitler. And my understanding of history is that he could have been kept out of power, or at least kept under some sort of control had it not been for the powerful business interests that found it convenient to back him. You don't need me to tell you this, there were all sort of reasons that propelled Hitler to power, not just that there were too few Germans opposing him.

Could it happen elsewhere? Of course. But "democracies" have learned a hard lesson from what happened."
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As most of you know, we were put into concentration camps in the US during WWII. After nine-eleven, our government started to "round up" Arabs/Muslims, and required many of them to "register" with the INS, and many Arab Americans were taken under custody for questioning. We, as Japanese Americans, understood that history was repeating itself here in the US, and the Japanese American Citizen's League challenged many of the things our government was doing to our Arab Americans. Bigotry popped up it's ugly head, and many so-called Americans started to mistreat Arabs. I was ready to defend them if I witnessed any mistreatment of Arabs in this country. To show how ignorant bigotry is, an Asian-Indian-American was killed in Arizona, because the killer thought he was Arab. It's downright disgusting!
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Kara
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2004 09:40 pm
c.i., You know too much. People who know history or were a part of it are the ones that must speak out.

I heard that Ashcroft has now said that the detainees at Gitmo will have access to lawyers. When I shouted out to my house mate that this was an outrageous political move, just happening finally in this election year, when civil rights advocates have been protesting G'Bay for two years, he said, Well, maybe it has just become clear that these detainees are cleared of problematic issues. He said Don't rush to judgment.
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sumac
 
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Reply Mon 16 Feb, 2004 05:57 am
Don't rush to judgment? Surely you jest.

For the record, the bigotry and knee-jerk hatred that emerged after 9/11 was disgusting. And is disgusting. For the record, our dear friend Mary Pope and her husband were protecting and helping some of their Muslim neighbors - in interceding on street scenes, bringing them food and supplies when they were afraid to go out, etc.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 16 Feb, 2004 08:00 am
On the front burner ......

Quote:
Gimme that ol' time autonomy...

The New York Times today reports that Iraqi political groups will be drafting a formal protest over the current plans of the US and UK to assume authority over Iraq indefinitely. The Boston Globe elaborated, saying that the INC may "try to establish an interim government within a few weeks, regardless of whether the United States supported such an effort..."
If you read the two articles carefully in tandem, it becomes clear that the Iraqi parties, particularly the INC (with the closest ties to the US), are trying to figure out how to obtain real power without throwing away their current leverage with the occupying powers. The question for the Iraqi parties is at what point do they no longer have anything to lose by breaking away from the process. Those closest to the US (and perhaps the most moderate) clearly can lose the most.
The US is apparently aware of this, as the same NYT article hints that the US may be "reserving an option to resume support for the swift formation of an Iraqi government if political developments in Iraq and the Middle East demand it." Hmmm. What sort of political developments might those be?
Problem: in the long run, if we end up looking like the Great Satan, after all (regardless of our perfectly good intentions, of course), we could well alienate even the most moderate Iraqi parties -- just like we did during the Iranian Revolution. But back then, the radicals won, and the moderates...were taken care of.
Finally, at the risk of going on too long, here's an interesting quote from a Reuters report from Yahoo regarding the resolution that's likely to get passed today:


Troubling to international law experts is the rewriting of the 1949 Geneva Conventions on the duties of occupying powers, such as the United States and Britain. They are not supposed to create a new permanent government or commit Iraq to long-term contracts, such as oil exploration, under the Geneva treaties.
"The United States is asking the Security Council to authorise it to do a series of things that would otherwise violate international law under the guise of ending sanctions," said Morton Halperin, a former State Department official and director of the Open Society Institute in Washington.


12/15/03 04:58
Now, about that interim authority...
The U.S., Britain and Spain presented a third draft of the resolution for lifting sanctions on Iraq --although The Guardian reports the US is trying to push it through in 48 hours. The current draft, says the Financial Times, is "close to its [the American] bottom line." Basically, we throw some bones to the U.N., buy off Russia, and drop "the open-ended grant of authority in favor of a requirement that the United States and Britain cede power when 'an internationally recognized, representative government is established.' " (NYT) Well, that's a relief.
Oh, and we do get to appoint our own auditors for monitoring Iraqi oil profits. We have a strong tradition of auditing our own interests here in America.
Where, you might ask, are the Iraqis in all of this? Well, 10,000 were on the streets of Baghdad protesting their lack of real power in the still amorphous and undefined interim authority. And key players among the Iraqi opposition groups are saying they won't play if the so-called authority doesn't have real control over the ministries. The Financial Times quotes Hoshyar Zebari, of the Kurdistan Democratic party, as saying that if the US doesn't empower the Iraqi political parties, they will not participate, and, instead, "seek local power 'on their own turf'," a sentiment echoed by Kasim Sahlani, head of the political bureau of the Da'awa party.
Given the fact that the Washington Post reports a marked increase in vigilante justice in Baghdad, and yesterday's sharp spike in violence between Kurds and Arabs in the north (Boston Globe), these signs do not bode well. We know that President Bush doesn't like basing policy on focus groups, but let's hope the US can sense a pending civil war when the signs start peeking out.
12/15/03 04:58
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 16 Feb, 2004 12:01 pm
Don't forget about Haiti - lest we forget our 'involvement" with democracy.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 16 Feb, 2004 12:35 pm
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sumac
 
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Reply Mon 16 Feb, 2004 01:01 pm
Your point is well taken, c.i. But it would not serve women at all if Islamic law was the basis for Iraqi law. The fundamentalists and clerics have solid reasons why they want Islamic law in place, including keeping women in their "proper" places.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 16 Feb, 2004 01:22 pm
sumac, I did not comment on the article re: women's rights. The main reason for posting it was to show how much trouble this administration is going to encounter in their quest to make Iraq a democracy. Our many failures including Haiti goes to show that we never learn from history.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Mon 16 Feb, 2004 07:38 pm
sumac wrote:
Your point is well taken, c.i. But it would not serve women at all if Islamic law was the basis for Iraqi law. The fundamentalists and clerics have solid reasons why they want Islamic law in place, including keeping women in their "proper" places.

Indeed, but the same could be said about the fundies here, who are Bush's primary support group.
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Kara
 
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Reply Mon 16 Feb, 2004 07:46 pm
c.i., sumac, ge...

This was so absolutely predictable. Our government will not allow the Iraq they have bought with political capital and blood (note the order of pain here...) to be co-opted by Islamic fundamentalists. We still think that we can overlay democracy on a country that culturally and ethnically is anima-adverse to freedom as we know it. Development of democracy in Iraq could take years.
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sumac
 
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Reply Mon 16 Feb, 2004 07:49 pm
While I shudder at the thought of the consequences for women, I also shudder at the hubris of our government.
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sumac
 
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Reply Mon 16 Feb, 2004 07:52 pm
Of course it will take years, but at least it was a secular society already, which is at least a step forward, and not backwards.

c.i.
I know that. There were too many subtopics in the article but I didn't want the womens issue ignored in the shuffle.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 16 Feb, 2004 08:45 pm
Kara wrote:
c.i., sumac, ge...

This was so absolutely predictable. Our government will not allow the Iraq they have bought with political capital and blood (note the order of pain here...) to be co-opted by Islamic fundamentalists. We still think that we can overlay democracy on a country that culturally and ethnically is anima-adverse to freedom as we know it. Development of democracy in Iraq could take years.


We have removed the cancer but we will not let the wound heal. There are three factions in Iraq that, left to their own devices will become what they will become and I very seriously doubt that any 'ocracy' will change the outcome of the powers in action. The world sat on their collective ass and watched for the last three decades while a Country was raped and now, after inflicting our brand of agony on them we expect our moralistic edicts to be obeyed without pause for question.

Why don't we give the Iraqi's a breather from being 'liberated' and go cut down a rain forest or something!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 01:48 am
Quote:
Brigadier-General Mark Kimmitt, the US army's deputy chief of operations in Iraq, said it appeared that the insurgents killed or captured in the attack were all Iraqi citizens, but he added that this was not a final conclusion. A number of Iraqis are now being questioned in connection with the attacks.

The finding overshadowed recent efforts by the US to pin the blame for a series of suicide bombings and other attacks on foreign Islamic militants linked to al-Qa'ida. Last week the US released what it said was a letter from a leading militant in Iraq to al-Qa'ida leaders, asking for help in provoking a civil war between Sunni and Shia Muslims in Iraq. If yesterday's report is true, the US has enough to worry about from Iraq's home-grown resistance.


source: US says Iraqis, not foreign fighters, are behind attacks
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 07:19 am
Quote:
Published on Monday, February 16, 2004 by CommonDreams.org
9/11 Families Valentines Letter to President Bush
by Colleen Kelly, David Potorti and Kelly Campbell


February 14, 2004

Dear President Bush,

Two years ago today, family members of 9/11 victims lost at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and on Flight 93 launched a group called September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows. We chose Valentine¹s Day as a symbolic reminder that the American ideals of peace, justice and reconciliation remain vibrant, and did not die with our loved ones.

On that day, we held up a large heart containing a valentine letter to you. In the letter we asked to meet with you to discuss the creation of a fund to assist innocent victims of war in Afghanistan. We felt that it was not only a decent and moral response to those accidental deaths, but also a practical opportunity to demonstrate the same compassion that 9/11 family members received from all over the globe.

You chose not to meet with us, but since that day two years ago, the members of Peaceful Tomorrows have worked to display the best of America's ideals to the rest of the world. We secured congressional funding to assist Afghan civilians affected by the war. We connected with others around the world who have been similarly affected by terrorism and war. We stood with millions across the globe against the war in Iraq and for the cause of peace. And our group has grown as more 9/11 family members have found healing by turning their grief into action for peace. In contrast, you declared it was an 'us versus them' world, and pursued unilateral and unpopular policies that turned that world against the United States and made us less secure. And worst of all, you often used the deaths of our family members as an excuse to pursue that agenda.

Two years later, we ask you to stop exploiting the tragedy of September 11 for political gain and to join us in responding to that tragic day in a manner that brings about genuine healing and peace for Americans and the rest of the world.

We respectfully request a written response to the following questions:

1. You and members of your administration consistently invoked 9/11 as a justification for war in Iraq, without presenting any evidence of a link between Saddam Hussein¹s Iraq and the attacks of that day. The confusing and misleading statements made by your administration that allude to an unproven link have caused a majority of the US public, (up to 70% according to a Washington Post poll taken in September 2003) to believe that Saddam Hussein was responsible for September 11.You have exploited the American public's genuine fear of another September 11 to pursue an unrelated war, which has already cost the lives of more than 500 US service people and an estimated 10,000 Iraqi civilians. We call upon you today to publicly acknowledge that your administration's statements have misled the American people, and to clarify that there is no evidence of a connection between the events of 9/11 and Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Please, Mr. President, will you correct this dangerous misperception?

2. In light of your announcement that the United States plans to step up the campaign to find Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan, we ask that you cease the tactic of bombing villages in an attempt to kill Bin Laden or other suspected Al Qaeda or Taliban leaders. In the past two years these village bombings have killed and injured countless innocent civilians, including children, while failing to achieve their stated aim. Since the beginning of 2003, media reports confirm that more than 64 civilians have been killed in at least six separate incidents of village bombings. Meanwhile, most top Taliban and Al Qaeda leaders have been captured through international cooperation, intelligence sharing, and police work, not the bombing of villagers. No one desires Bin Laden to be arrested and stand trial more than we do. Yet through continued bombing of innocent civilians, you have increased anti-American sentiment and created legions of potential future terrorists. We beg you, Mr. President, will you direct the military to cease the tactic of bombing villages in Afghanistan, and choose more effective methods to capture the criminals responsible for our loved ones deaths?

3. We ask you to stop playing politics with the 9/11 attacks. September 11 was many things, but it was a victory for no one but the terrorists. When your administration treats it like a success story and your political party uses the World Trade Center site as the backdrop for the Republican convention this fall, we are offended. We have witnessed the photograph of you on the telephone on September 11 sold by your campaign as a fundraising vehicle. We have read Republican party officials' acknowledgement that the national convention was planned in New York City at the latest possible date in order to 'flow seamlessly into the commemoration of 9/11.' And we have witnessed your administration's lack of cooperation with the Independent Commission investigating 9/11. On November 27, 2002, you stated, "the investigation should carefully examine all the evidence and follow all the facts, wherever they lead. We must uncover every detail and learn every lesson of September the 11th. It's our most solemn duty."We ask you today live up to that promise. As president of the United States, you well know that our nation's future is more important than any one person¹s political career. We ask you, Mr. President, will you renounce the exploitation of September 11th for partisan political gain?

You claim that September 11th made you a war president. But this is not true. By responding to the terrorism of 9/11 with an unending 'war on terror,'and a doctrine of pre-emptive war, you and your administration chose this path. After September 11, the entire world reached out to the United States with compassion. Rather than building on that good will and ushering the world into a new era of mutual cooperation, an effort that would have required true statesmanship and a willingness to deal honestly with the root causes of terrorism, you appealed to our fears and to the worst in human kind. Your domestic and foreign policies have reduced our nation's leadership, leaving us less secure, less free, less respected and less able to deal effectively with the genuine threat of 21st century terrorism.

This Valentine's Day, two years after the creation of September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows, we call on you to open your heart, take accountability for your actions, and act now to set our nation on the path of real peace. This is the way to truly honor those who died on September 11 and who continue to live in our hearts. We look forward to your timely answers to our inquiries.

Sincerely,

September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows
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sumac
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 07:58 am
Nice link and quote, ge.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 08:19 am
sumac wrote:
Nice link and quote, ge.


Mercy buckets .... think Bush will ever see it?
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