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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ VI

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jan, 2004 11:10 pm
Since most Americans do not care about the WMD's or Saddam's connection to al Qaida, I wonder what would happen if all of a sudden the US or somebody else finds WMD's or Saddam's connection to al Qaida.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2004 07:54 am
http://www.allhatnocattle.net/Troops%20home.jpg
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Kara
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2004 09:03 am
c.i., I also have been to Knossos, when we were in the Greek Islands about ten years ago. Fascinating site. And you are correct, of course, that it was a civilization as early as 7000 BC. Ur was civilized from about 3500 BC, as I recall, and may have been known as the cradle of civilization in the sense that they left a written history, but my memory is vague on this point.

I have heard about traces of dinosaurs in the US but haven't read about that issue in decades. What about the La Brea tar pits? I studied archaeology so long ago that I might qualify as a fossil myself. Sad
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2004 09:36 am
Morning B, try this:
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=407801#407801
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2004 09:44 am
From BBC-online:
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The new head of the US team searching for banned weapons in Iraq says he has been instructed simply to find "the truth, wherever that lay".
Charles Duelfer said recently he did not believe Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, but he insists he will approach his new job with an open mind.

Senior officials in the US and UK say weapons programmes - the key reason for invading Iraq - may still be found.

David Kay, who quit as head of the US search, said he thinks there are none.

Mr Kay's resignation from the Iraq Survey Group had been expected, but his strong comments had not.

In an interview with Reuters news agency, Mr Kay said he did not believe there had been large-scale production of chemical or biological weapons in Iraq since the end of the first Gulf War in 1991.

"I don't think they existed," Mr Kay said.

"What everyone was talking about is stockpiles produced after the end of the last Gulf War and I don't think there was a large-scale production programme in the 90s."
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This is as well from the BBC:
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The prime minister must admit defeat on the issue of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, Robin Cook has demanded.
[...]
Mr Cook told the BBC he believed Mr Blair had been driven to war by "missionary zeal" and the desire to show loyalty to US President George Bush.
[...]
Meanwhile, Downing Street has said the prime minister is still confident that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and that, in time, evidence of them will be found.

A spokesman said people needed to be patient to let the Iraq Survey Group complete its work.

"Our position has not changed," said a Number 10 spokesman. "There is still more work to be done and we should await the conclusion of that work."
SOURCE
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2004 10:45 am
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Iraq was cobbled together by the Brits among others, long ago
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Cobbled together? Rolling Eyes Iraq was a brilliant humanitarian gesture to the newly liberated Arabs free of the Turkish oppressors. Britannia ruled the waves in those days. The fact that the new Dreadnought and super Dreadnought class of battleship kicked **** out of the opposition in part because they were oil fired, and that Britain had no oil, but Iraq had lots, had of course nothing to do with the way we drew up the boundaries.

It amazes me when Tony Blair says oil had nothing to do with invading Iraq. Oil is as important to the functioning of a modern economy as it was to the Royal Navy in the early years of last century. Its not just a question of paying for it, its controlling and securing supply that's important.

Iraq IS oil. The very boundaries of that country were drawn up taking oil into acount. Iraq is also important because of where it is, i.e. slap bang in the middle of where 70% of the world's oil comes from. Oil again.

I'm sorry...probably preaching to the converted here. It just annoys the hell out of me when Blair or Bush glibly say oil had nothing to do with it. Oil had everything to do with it. In fact Blair is probably quite happy to keep the controversy over WMD going until hell freezes, because all the while we are wasting our breath on non existant WMD, it diverts attention from the real reasons for war.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2004 10:52 am
Ok Iraq is not just oil. Its got dates and archeaology. And camels. And .....Ur....that's it.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2004 12:26 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
Ok Iraq is not just oil. Its got dates and archeaology. And camels. And .....Ur....that's it.
Harems? :wink:
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2004 12:50 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
Ok Iraq is not just oil. Its got dates and archeaology. And camels. And .....Ur....that's it.


Yeah but most of the dates have facial hair ......... but they are all low maintainance so it's a push.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2004 02:28 pm
This is rather long, but a good read.
******************************
The Only Superbad Power
January 25, 2004
By SERGE SCHMEMANN

It is difficult to believe that George W. Bush has been in
the White House for only three years. It seems ages now
that we have been living in a new world, in which his
administration is closely identified with new passions, new
fears, new enemies. Sept. 11, of course, is the dominant
reason; it has effectively divided our life into a
''before'' and an ''after,'' pushing the 20th century with
its hot and cold wars, its thickets of nuclear missiles and
its arguments into a foggy past. George H. W. Bush and Bill
Clinton managed the immediate consequences of the collapse
of Communism, but they did so when the presumption was
still that the main threat to the world had been lifted,
when there seemed no pressing need to define a new,
post-Communist order.

For better or for worse, it was left to George W. Bush to
propose that new order, and it hasn't worked out the way
many had expected -- a world in which arsenals would be
sharply reduced and democracies would cooperate in
resolving conflicts, ensuring human rights and protecting
the environment. Instead, Bush and his team disdainfully
chucked out containment and deterrence and declared that
America had the right to ensure its security any way it
deemed proper, including pre-emptive war. The triumphant
America of the 21st century would use multilateral
institutions only when it suited American aims. Not only
that; guaranteeing its safety required that America impose
its democratic values, starting in the Middle East.

Someday Bush may be proven right, and a harmonious chain of
friendly democracies may stretch from Central Asia to the
Mediterranean. For the time being, the new American order
has generated a tsunami of anti-Americanism, with the
United States perceived in some quarters as a greater
threat to world peace than Al Qaeda. Deep fissures have
developed between the United States and its allies;
American policies have threatened to undermine Europe's
drive toward unity; Muslims around the globe have turned
against the United States; many leaders in Asia now look to
China for their economic and political security; and
Americans themselves have become polarized in their
attitude toward the rest of the world. The ''war on
terrorism'' has gotten mired in an anarchic Iraq;
Guantanamo has come to represent a willful violation of
civil rights; and tyrants have seized on the concept of
pre-emptive war to justify their own suppression of
opponents, now labeled terrorists.

Not unexpectedly, the rise of so contentious a new order,
and the man who so unexpectedly launched it, have hatched a
considerable library of condemnation, all the more as his
re-election campaign gets under way. Of the books reviewed
here, two -- America Unbound'' and ''Crisis on the Korean
Peninsula'' -- can be classified as reasonably evenhanded,
though the first is broadly critical of the Bush approach
and the second implicitly so. The others leave no doubt of
what they think, ranging from George Soros's declared hope
that his book will contribute to sweeping Bush out of
office to Robert Jay Lifton's image of a ''malignant
synergy'' between the United States and Al Qaeda ''when, in
their mutual zealotry, Islamist and American leaders seem
to act in concert.'' From across the Atlantic, Emmanuel
Todd contributes the wistful notion that the United States,
the true empire and axis of evil in his view, is already
near collapse. These are only a portion of a swelling
anti-Bush literature, for now only partly offset by equally
ardent pro-Bush books.

However we may feel about the new order, Ivo H. Daalder and
James M. Lindsay -- two veterans of the Clinton National
Security Council now at the Brookings Institution and the
Council on Foreign Relations respectively -- pronounce what
Bush has done as nothing less than a ''revolution.''
''America Unbound'' is the most ambitious and important
study in this batch, not least because the authors
painstakingly develop the provocative thesis that the
president is not the Dubya of cartoonists, a dim puppet of
a cabal of old-guard hawks and neocons, but the master
puppeteer himself. ''George W. Bush led his own
revolution,'' they declare.

That is quite an accolade for a prodigal patrician who
metamorphosed into a born-again Christian and Texan and
slipped into the White House as the standard-bearer of
Reaganites and neo-cons. Though in the beginning he
exhibited a disdain for international institutions and
treaties and took some tentative swipes at Russia, China
and the axis of evil, there was little to suggest that the
early Bush harbored an ambition to reshape the world, or
for that matter had much real interest in foreign affairs.

It was 9/11, Daalder and Lindsay write, that provided the
catalyst for Bush to blend what could be called the
assertive nationalism of Dick Cheney and Condoleezza Rice;
the neoconservative vision of Paul Wolfowitz and Richard
Perle; and his own view, formed long before 9/11, that
success requires a clear resolve and the will to use power,
into a vision and a mission. That the mission could be
perceived as a pernicious new form of imperialism was
totally alien to Bush. America, he declared in Crawford in
August 2002, was ''the greatest force for good in
history.'' Conversely, those who assailed it were now
openly proclaimed as ''evil.''

Bush's views, Daalder and Lindsay say, came to rest on two
fundamental pillars. ''The first was that in a dangerous
world the best -- if not the only -- way to ensure
America's security was to shed the constraints imposed by
friends, allies and international institutions.'' The
second was that America ''should aggressively go abroad
searching for monsters to destroy.'' Never mind whether
Saddam Hussein -- or Yasir Arafat, Iran, Syria or North
Korea -- had anything to do with the fall of the twin
towers: they were the global evil America was ordained to
destroy.

It is inevitable that a foreign policy couched in biblical
symbols, eschewing subtleties and advanced by Texans,
oil-men, neocons and industrialists would be insufferable
to liberals, doves, internationalists and New Englanders
(conversely, remember what Bill Clinton did to
conservatives). One suspects that even the senior George
Bush occasionally looks out from his crag at Kennebunkport
on the policies of his firstborn with some misgiving.
Still, it is difficult to explain the level of loathing
that the junior Bush and his government have achieved among
otherwise rational liberals. The assaults in these books
range widely in theme and quality, and Bush's defenders are
likely, with some justification, to dismiss the more
strident writers as congenitally allergic to any
manifestation of American power. But the urgency with which
they sound the alarm requires attention. History is too
clear on what unconstrained power can lead to.

Among the books here, ''America Unbound'' deserves the
closest attention, as I have noted above. The research is
admirable, the arguments are well marshaled, and the
absence of stridency adds considerable authority to the
portrayal of Bush as a president whose ''worldview simply
made no allowance for others' doubting the purity of
American motives.'' Of the others, in the order of my
preference, ''The Sorrows of Empire,'' by Chalmers Johnson,
an Asia scholar and onetime consultant for the Central
Intelligence Agency who has become a fervent critic of
Washington's military policies, is an exhaustive --
sometimes exhausting -- study of the spread of American
military and economic control over the world. Johnson
produces voluminous research on the many United States
military and intelligence outposts unknown to most
Americans, and weaves a frightening picture of a
military-industrial complex grown into exactly the
powerful, secretive force that Dwight D. Eisenhower warned
against -- made more dangerous by an aggressive executive
branch, creating a state of perpetual war and economic
bankruptcy. His assessment is chilling: ''It is not at all
obvious which is a greater threat to the safety and
integrity of the citizens of the United States: the
possibility of a terrorist attack using weapons of mass
destruction or an out-of-control military intent on
displacing elected officials who stand in their way.''

''The Bubble of American Supremacy,'' by George Soros, the
billionaire investor with a foreign aid program of his own,
is a different exercise, more an extended essay than an
academic study. He proclaims at the outset that his purpose
is to do whatever he can to prevent Bush's re-election. In
a deliberate, didactic style, he indicts the administration
for hijacking 9/11 for its own ''radical foreign policy
agenda,'' and then concealing its true goals behind a
facade of freedom and democracy. ''When President Bush
says, as he does frequently, that 'freedom' will prevail,
in fact he means that America will prevail,'' Soros writes,
adding: ''I am rather sensitive to Orwellian doublespeak
because I grew up with it in Hungary, first under Nazi and
later Communist rule.''

Tariq Ali, a Pakistani-born novelist and writer who is an
editor of New Left Review in London, combines an often
compelling insider's perspective with a somewhat dated
diatribe on the ''triune evil'' of ''U.S. imperialism,
Zionism and Arab reaction.'' He depicts the American
occupation of Iraq as the latest misguided exercise of a
colonizing formula that ''has already wrecked much of Latin
America and the whole of Africa'': ''capitalist democracy =
privatization + 'civil society.' '' ''Bush in Babylon'' is
a curious little volume, drawing extensively on poetry and
personal recollections, with some valuable insights into
the sensitivities that explain why the occupying coalition
in Iraq is not being treated as a savior. Surmising, for
example, why American generals did nothing to protect the
cultural treasures of Baghdad, Ali writes: ''Having stirred
their soldiers to fight and destroy the 'ragheads,'
portrayed in briefings as uncivilized barbarians
responsible for 9/11, perhaps they were now fearful of
admitting that the 'ragheads' were a people with a
culture.''

Robert Jay Lifton, an American psychiatrist and writer,
perceives an ideologically driven administration locked in
an apocalyptic death-dance with Islamic radicals. A student
of apocalyptic behavior whose previous books deal with
Hiroshima, Nazi doctors and the Aum Shinrikyo cult in
Japan, Lifton alternates between informed passages on
extreme behavior and an often unconvincing application of
these theories to the Bush administration. At times,
''Superpower Syndrome'' descends into psychohistory-speak,
as in this riff on ''nuclearism,'' the embrace of the bomb
''as a source not only of transcendent power but of
life-sustaining security and peace, and in some cases as
close to a deity.''

As for the bomb, ''Crisis on the Korean Peninsula'' is
essentially an academic policy study on a troubling (some
say terrifying) question that the Bush White House has been
taking a hard line on -- North Korea and its nuclear
weapons -- stretched to the 200-odd pages required for a
book. The approach proposed by Michael O'Hanlon and Mike
Mochizuki, of the Brookings Institution and George
Washington University respectively, is a package in which
North Korea would surrender its nuclear weapons program in
exchange for large amounts of economic aid. Though it is
developed in considerable detail and sometimes intriguing,
it remains far from clear why North Korea would buy into
the deal.

I have saved a discussion of Emmanuel Todd's ''After the
Empire'' for last, not because I deem it least but because
it is the view of an outsider, and a highly troubling view
at that. I have been living in France for the past six
months, and I often wonder whether Americans are aware of
the depth of the dread and revulsion in which Bush's United
States is held by many foreigners. In Todd's study,
translated by C. Jon Delogu, a relentless condemnation of
everything American arises from an acute sense of betrayal.


A French historian and anthropologist trained at Cambridge
University in England and descended from Jews who were
refugees in America, Todd says he used to see the United
States as a model, as his ''subconscious safety net.'' Now,
he declares, it is solely a ''predator,'' living way beyond
its means, racking up video-game victories over defenseless
nations and undermining human rights. Nobody escapes Todd's
jilted fury -- not the American woman, ''a castrating,
threatening figure,'' and not American Jews, who have
''fallen into the disturbing, not to say neurotic, cult of
the Holocaust.'' Todd's solace is also his main thesis,
that American power is fast waning because of the country's
profligate spending: ''Let the present America expend what
remains of its energy, if that is what it wants to do, on
'war on terrorism' -- a substitute battle for the
perpetuation of a hegemony that it has already lost.'' This
is easy to dismiss as the rant of Old Europe (surprise:
Todd's book was a best seller in France). But that would
miss the point: his sense of betrayal is widely shared
around the world, even in places the White House likes to
portray as friends. Alas, I have heard too many people of
good will express profound disappointment with the United
States to reject Todd as an extreme or isolated voice.

Though I have lived abroad for many years and regard myself
as hardened to anti-Americanism, I confess I was taken
aback to have my country depicted, page after page, book
after book, as a dangerous empire in its last throes, as a
failure of democracy, as militaristic, violent, hegemonic,
evil, callous, arrogant, imperial and cruel. Daalder and
Lindsay may be constrained by an American sense of respect
for the White House, but they too proclaim Bush's foreign
policy fundamentally wrong. It is not only Bush's
''imperious style,'' they write; ''The deeper problem was
that the fundamental premise of the Bush revolution -- that
America's security rested on an America unbound -- was
mistaken.'' The more moving judgment comes from Soros, a
Jew from Hungary who lived through both German and Soviet
occupation: ''This is not the America I chose as my home.''

Serge Schmemann is the editorial page editor of The
International Herald Tribune.


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/25/books/review/25SCHMEMT.html?ex=1075953033&ei=1&en=0dc5929185c03463
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Kara
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2004 02:32 pm
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and that Britain had no oil, but Iraq had lots, had of course nothing to do with the way we drew up the boundaries.


Laughing Laughing

Good post, Steve, and yes I think you are preaching to the choir but we eat it up, don't we?

Ge, funny how long ago October seems :wink:
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Kara
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2004 04:31 pm
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2004 11:54 pm
Quote:


Source
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jan, 2004 03:10 am
When the people of the US continues to support this administration knowing all the justifications used to overthrow Saddam are fake, what conclusions can those outside the US make about the American People?
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jan, 2004 07:03 am
They conclude that we are morons, c.i.

'White House still insists arms may be found'

Quote:
The political strategy pursued by the White House appears aimed at maintaining for as long as possible public confusion about just what has been found in Iraq.

"The administration still thinks they can talk over the heads of the mainstream media and continue the myth that these weapons programmes existed and we still might find significant stockpiles," said Joseph Cirincione, who headed a Carnegie Endowment study earlier this month that said the administration had "systematically misrepresented" the threat from Iraq.

Michael O'Hanlon, a foreign policy specialist at the Brookings Institution, said: "If I were working for them, I'd say 'Stop it already. No one believes what you're saying any more'."


Financial Times

How is it that God could have told Bush the wrong thing?

(It is so embarrassing to be represented by these people...)

Now, many of us were never taken in by the lies; some have wised up, and many -- alas -- remain under the ether, content to continue to wait for the ready-to-launch-in-45-minutes weapons to be unearthed.

I'm thinking there's still enough time for a sufficient number of these zombies to be saved to blow Bush out of the White House in November.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jan, 2004 08:38 am
Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 9 Num. 53
======================================
("Quid coniuratio est?")
OCTOBER SURPRISE

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(From the September 1996 Conspiracy Nation Newsletter)

In 1980, fifty-two American hostages were being held by Iran. The President at that time was Jimmy Carter. He was being challenged in his bid for re-election by the Reagan-Bush ticket.

Though Reagan-Bush led in the polls, they secretly feared that Carter would stage what was called an "October Surprise." The Republicans feared that if Carter were to bring about the release of the American hostages in late October, subsequent national euphoria would boost Carter in the polls and get him re-elected.

So, according to numerous and disparate witnesses and investigators, the Reagan-Bush faction initiated secret negotiations with the Iranians. The deal reportedly was that if the Iranians would ignore Carter administration overtures, the Republicans would give the Iranians an especially good deal later, when Reagan-Bush came to power.

Some may say, "Well, Congress looked into these allegations and found nothing there." But that is like saying that the Columbo crime family looked into the Genovese mafia and concluded, "They're not such a bad bunch of guys." Congress has also looked into the strange death of White House deputy counsel Vincent Foster -- twice -- and concluded that Foster committed suicide right where his body was found in Fort Marcy Park. So if Congress is so infallible, why is Special Prosecutor Kenneth Starr now also investigating the Foster death? And why do two-thirds of Americans not believe what the Congress keeps telling them, vis-a-vis Foster?

Gary Sick served on the National Security Council staff under Presidents Ford, Carter, and Reagan. Sick was the principal White House aide for Iran during the hostage crisis of 1979-81. He was skeptical at first, regarding the October Surprise allegations, yet gradually found that

A reality that I thought I knew well turned out to be
little more than a facade. I had to utterly reevaluate
whole constellations of events, even those that I had
experienced personally...

[Sick had thought that] The events of 1980 could be
explained adequately without resort to what I considered to
be a conspiracy theory...

[Yet] As time went on, seemingly inexplicable fragments of
information began to appear. My experience was not unlike
that of a medieval scholar discovering traces of a hidden
text beneath the script on an old parchment.

Sick is cautious when he writes, in his book, October Surprise, that "there is not enough evidence at this point to launch a prosecution," yet he obviously feels that the October Surprise story is grounded in fact: "If the evidence presented in this book means what it seems to mean, we must conclude that in 1980 a deception was inflicted on the hostages, the government, and the American people that has few if any parallels in our history. That evidence is not easily dismissed."

Not so cautious as Sick has been Ari Ben-Menashe, who worked for the Israeli intelligence agency, the Mossad, before he surfaced to write a tell-all book, Profits of War (1991). Ben-Menashe says he was part of a team which worked with the French to arrange secret meetings between George Bush, William Casey, and the Iranians. At one particular meeting in Paris, on October 19, 1980, a final agreement allegedly was concluded: In exchange for a $40 million bribe and future arms shipments, the Iranians agreed not to release the American hostages until the January 1981 Presidential inauguration. This, in fact, did happen; the 52 hostages were released on January 20, 1981.

Barbara Honegger worked for the Reagan administration in the White House Office of Policy Development. She worked there for 3 years before she became "the first resignation of conscience from the Reagan-Bush Administration." She held off from publishing her book, October Surprise, until 1989, due to a sense of loyalty she felt toward Ronald Reagan.

Honegger points out that George Bush had been a Director of CIA and, as such, had plenty of covert connections and know-how with which to implement secret dealings between the Republicans and Iran. Many in CIA hated Jimmy Carter for downsizing the Agency and were eager for revenge. Honegger, like Gary Sick, is cautious; throughout her book she refers to the October Surprise story as "allegations." Yet her evidence leads overwhelmingly to the reality of the October Surprise conspiracy.

For example, Honegger points to the many witnesses who have gone public concerning the affair. While some might consider these CIA contract agents to be shady characters and therefore not sterling witnesses, she asks: Why didn't this body of witnesses ever get to tell their stories to the American people? Writes Honegger: "As an independent journalist, I believe profoundly in the right of the American public to hear from all parties who claim to have information on charges as serious as that an arms-for-hostage-delay deal was made between the Reagan-Bush campaign and Iran."

So why didn't we hear all sides of the story? After all, in a democracy it is supposed that the public can think for itself, and do not need to be shielded from witnesses which some self-appointed authority decides are "not credible." By what right do the few have such control over what the many are allowed to hear?

Rodney Stich, in his classic and definitive book on government corruption, Defrauding America (1-800-247-7389), suggests part of the reason information is withheld, diminished, or twisted -- The CIA's Media Wurlitzer.

The CIA has many media personnel on its payroll to plant
stories or discredit charges against the CIA. It pays out
large sums of money for articles and books to be written on
the CIA's behalf. Its control over the media is like a
Wurlitzer, orchestrating and manipulating all segments of
the written or broadcast media. It must be remembered that
the CIA has iron-clad control over the establishment media
in the United States, and spends money supporting
journalists and the media.

In light of the July 1996 issue of this newsletter ("The Smiling Pope"), it is noteworthy that Ms. Honegger goes into the Propaganda Due, or P-2, connection. You'll recall that P-2 is a secret, illegal Masonic lodge founded in Italy by Licio Gelli in 1966. Honegger points to Alexander Haig, later to become the Secretary of State under Ronald Reagan, as having been made an "honorary" (non-Italian) member of P-2 prior to 1980. Honegger further states that Licio Gelli, finance wizard Michele Sindona, Alexander Haig, and CIA Director William Casey "were also reportedly members of the Vatican's military order, the Knights of Malta, whose initiates must take an oath of allegiance to the Pope." Furthermore, P-2 is linked to the Mafia, which also seems to have played a part in the October Surprise plot; writes Honegger: "A number of press reports, taken together, suggest that there may have been a P-2 and Gambino Mafia connection to the release of the fifty-two American hostages from the U.S. embassy in Tehran."

(By the way, in light of the July issue of this newsletter, "The Smiling Pope," I recommend the movie, "The Godfather, Part 3.")

Abol Hassan Bani-Sadr was president of Iran during the hostage crisis. As of 1991, he was living in exile, in Paris. In his book, My Turn To Speak, Bani-Sadr corroborates the October Surprise allegations.

While some may wonder why Iran would have negotiated with "the Great Satan," i.e., the United States, it now appears that this rhetoric served mainly to help unite a fractious Iran against a common enemy. (Such techniques are used here in the U.S., where the government uses the Big Enemy technique to rally support -- for example, Big Enemies such as Russia, narcotics, and now, increasingly, supposed omnipresent terrorists.) Writes Bani-Sadr: "The takeover of the U.S. embassy was wholly in line with [Ayatollah] Khomeini's strategy of focusing hostility abroad." Remember too that the U.S. had frozen Iranian funds and had military spare parts desperately needed by the Iranians.

Former-president Bani-Sadr says he has proof of contacts between Iran and the Reagan-Bush forces as early as the spring of 1980. He claims that "the sole purpose of [these contacts] was to handicap Carter's re-election bid by preventing the hostages' release before the American elections in November 1980."

The late Paul D. Wilcher was a Washington attorney who investigated the October Surprise charges. In a 100-page letter addressed to Attorney General Janet Reno and dated May 21, 1993, Wilcher offered her a comprehensive look at American "deep politics." (The term "deep politics," comes from Professor Peter Dale Scott's penetrating look at the assassination of John F. Kennedy, Deep Politics and the Death of JFK. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1993.) One section of Wilcher's letter to Reno is entitled, "The 'October Surprise' Treason & Coup D'Etat." (My thanks to a subscriber for sending me this disturbing document.) Writes Wilcher:

My client here is Gunther Karl Russbacher, a life-long
covert operative for the CIA and the Office of Naval
Intelligence ("ONI") who has operated at the highest levels
of both of these super-secret organizations over the past
30 and 25 years, respectively.

Because of his extremely high intelligence, his exceptional
physical skills, his extensive training, his fluency in 8
languages, his proficiency as one of the CIA's top pilots
and marksmen, and the fact that his father was one of the
original founders (along with William Casey, "Wild Bill"
Donovan, and others) of the Central Intelligence Agency,
back in 1947, Gunther has always operated at the highest
levels of these "intelligence" organizations, and has been
entrusted with carrying out some of their most difficult,
sensitive, and top secret covert operations.

[......]

For the moment, however, I want to focus on one pivotal
event in Gunther's career -- the fact that he was the CIA
pilot who flew George Bush and others (listed below) to and
from Paris on this "October Surprise" weekend, and then
flew George Bush back to America on the CIA's hypersonic
spy plane, the SR-71 -- to get him back home before anyone
would notice that he was gone.

Russbacher says his passengers on the flight to Paris during the October 19, 1980 weekend, included George Bush, William Casey, Donald Gregg (later to become Ambassador to South Korea), Robert Gates (later to become Director of CIA), Robert McFarlane (President Reagan's National Security Advisor), Robert Allen (President Reagan's first National Security advisor), Earl Brian (of later INSLAW notoriety), Jennifer Fitzgerald (reportedly one of George Bush's mistresses), Congressman Daniel Rostenkowski (a.k.a. "Rosty," now in jail), Congressman Dan Burton, Senator Robert Byrd, Senator John Tower, Senator John Heinz, and other prominent Members of Congress.

Wilcher's letter describes who got what: The gist of these negotiations (and deal) was that Bush and Casey delivered to the Iranians $40 million in cash (it started out as $62 million, but by the time many of the Americans had dipped their hands into the till, only about $35 million was left to give to the Iranians), basically as bribe money, plus the promise of $5 billion more in illegal arms sales and spare parts... in exchange for the Iranians' agreement not to release the 52 American hostages captured in Tehran on November 4th, 1979, until after the November 4th, 1980, U.S. Presidential election -- in order to guarantee the humiliation and defeat of then-President Jimmy Carter, and the victory of Ronald Reagan and George Bush. The important point to remember about this flight, and all those who were participating in it, is that the entire exercise was a carefully planned, and well executed CIA covert operation -- which had been ordered and sanctioned at the highest levels of the "Shadow Government" -- specifically for the purpose of taking back control of the federal government from the Democrats, and returning it to the CIA and the "Shadow Government." In other words, this entire operation was -- and was specifically designed to be -- a treasonous coup d'etat, to take back control of the federal government from Jimmy Carter and the Democrats... Paul Wilcher, by the way, is numbered among the so-called "Clinton Body Count" -- persons connected to Bill Clinton who have died mysteriously and/or violently. The story of the Clinton Body Count was first brought to light by Indianapolis attorney Linda Thompson. She described how the information was first intimated to her, by a purported CIA agent, on the February 3rd, 1994 broadcast of Chuck Harder's "For the People" radio show:

CHUCK HARDER: Now, Linda, you were talking [about]... The
Clinton Body Count. You say 25 people that have surrounded
Bill Clinton, with some type of a personal relationship
with him.....

LINDA THOMPSON: Uh-huh. [Affirmative]

CHUCK HARDER: .....have turned up dead within
approximately the last 12 months.

LINDA THOMPSON: Right.

CHUCK HARDER: Can you name them "off the top of your
head," to the best of your ability?

LINDA THOMPSON: Sure.

CHUCK HARDER: And who were they, and how come, and that
sort of thing.

LINDA THOMPSON: C. Victor Raiser was Bill Clinton's
campaign finance chairman, and his son, who was also very
active in the campaign, Victor Raiser, Jr., were killed in
a plane crash, enroute to Alaska, in July of '92. Now
that's where the body count begins. And it begins there...
I almost didn't include them because I was going to divide
it up into post-Presidency and pre-Presidency. The fellow
that had called me and suggested that I do this was CIA.
And he said, you know, "Do a body count around Clinton."
And I said, "What?!" [He answered,] "Just do one. Do one
before he became President and do one after he became
President." Because I would not have thought of this on my
own. I really... It would never have occurred to me to
even think of doing this.

Besides Wilcher and Raiser, other names amongst the still-growing Clinton Body Count are: Paul Tully, DNC political director, heart attack; Paula Gober, worked as Clinton's interpreter for the hearing-impaired, car crash; Jim Wilhite, friends with Mack McLarty and Bill Clinton, skiing accident; Vincent Foster, Jr., deputy White House counsel, "suicide"; Luther "Jerry" Parks, owner of a security service which supplied guards for Clinton during his 1992 presidential campaign, murdered by multiple gunshots; Jon Parnell Walker, RTC Senior Investigation Specialist looking into wrongdoing at Madison Guaranty S&L, supposedly jumped to his death while apartment hunting; Kathy Ferguson, wife of Danny Ferguson who said he brought sex-accuser Paula Jones to Bill Clinton's hotel room at which time Clinton is alleged to have sexually harassed Jones, "suicide" by pistol; Herschel Friday, a member of C. Victor Raiser's (see above) finance committee, plane crash; Ed Willey, manager of Clinton's presidential campaign finance committee, supposedly shot himself on November 30, 1993; John A. Wilson, a Washington, D.C. city councilman about to go public with information on Bill Clinton, "suicide" by hanging; Ron Brown, the late Commerce Secretary, killed in a suspicious plane crash.

The list contains many more names than the above. I may write a more detailed account in the future. Readers familiar with the many violent and/or mysterious deaths of potential witnesses connected to the JFK assassination will be familiar with the pattern suggested by the Clinton Body Count. For now, add one more name to the list of suspicious deaths connected to Bill Clinton: Susann Coleman. As documented in the book, Clinton Confidential (by George Carpozi), Ms. Coleman, said to be pregnant by Bill Clinton, died by "suicide" on February 15, 1977. Writes Carpozi, "Coleman is purported to have put the muzzle of a shotgun into her mouth and pulled the trigger."

But how does October Surprise lead to the Clinton Body Count? The October Surprise coup d'etat led to the 12-year Reagan-Bush Administration. During that time, the illegal Contra war in Nicaragua was funded in part by CIA gun- and drug-smuggling via Arkansas, condoned by then-Governor Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton, according to Roger Morris, author of Partners in Power, is a long-time CIA agent. The Arkansas smuggling operation was under the command of George Bush, himself a former Director of CIA and long-time agent of that roach hotel. So how does October Surprise lead to the Clinton Body Count? Well, as we all know, roaches multiply.

Robert Parry has worked for Associated Press, Newsweek magazine, and the PBS program, "Frontline." He has been an investigative reporter for over 20 years. Parry has continued to look into the October Surprise story, has had a book published on the subject (Trick or Treason), and recently came up with some startling information which he published on Internet.

Following a Congressional task force report which debunked the October Surprise allegations (a report which, writes Parry, rests on "an elaborate set of alibis"), Parry sought access to the task force's files. He obtained permission to examine unclassified papers, stored in a Rayburn building sub-basement, in a converted Ladies' washroom now used for storage. To Parry's surprise, "Not only did I find unclassified notes and documents about the task force's work, but also 'secret' and even 'top secret' papers..." Parry's study of these documents led him to believe, more firmly than ever, that the October Surprise plot had indeed occured.

Among the confidential documents that Parry lucked onto was a six-page Russian report, sent in response to a query by Rep. Lee Hamilton (D-Ind.) According to Parry, the "Russian report stated, as fact, that Casey, George Bush and other Republicans had met secretly with Iranian officials in Europe during the 1980 presidential campaign. The Russians depicted the hostage negotiations that year as a two-way competition between the Carter White House and the Reagan campaign to outbid one another for Iran's cooperation on the hostages. The Russians asserted that the Reagan team had disrupted Carter's hostage negotiations after all, the exact opposite of the task force conclusion."

Still don't believe the October Surprise machinations occured? Tell that to former Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir who, when asked in May of 1993 if there had been an October Surprise, responded, "of course, it was." Tell that to senior representatives of Iran's current government, who, writes Parry, are "amused at how wrong the House task force had been." Tell that to veteran White House correspondent Sarah McClendon, who, when I stated to her in late August of 1995, "So you agree with the story of the 'October Surprise,'" responded:

Oh definitely. There definitely was. And Bush has denied
it all along. And people have seen him in Paris at the
time he claims he wasn't there. They saw him there and
they know he went to the meeting. And I definitely think
the agreement was made there.

An "October Surprise" has also come to have a generic meaning. According to William Safire, writing in the New York Times on or about August 20, 1996, "An 'October Surprise,' in political parlance, is the making of big news to affect a November election." Safire points to two events which, he says, are "in the pipeline" -- a possible indictment of Hillary Clinton for perjury and obstruction of justice, and a possible punitive strike against Iran in retaliation for allegedly masterminding the recent bomb attack against a military barracks in Saudi Arabia.

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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jan, 2004 08:46 am
Could 9/11 be anoth r 'October surprise'

Those airliners were in the air for 1 hour 45 mins without a single jet scrambled .......

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/archiveprior_knowledge.html
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Kara
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jan, 2004 10:07 am
PDiddie, the most alarming thing about the continued and increasingly desperate search for any WMDs in Iraq is that MILLIONS of dollars of our money are still being spent on this futile effort intended to justify the pre-emptive war.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jan, 2004 11:33 am
PDid's answer to my q, "They conclude that we are morons, c.i." I think "moron" is too "conservative" a word.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jan, 2004 08:59 am
Thanks for the posts, ci, geli...

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