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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ VI

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 13 May, 2004 03:07 pm
Setanta wrote:
That post does not once mention Bush. ... Once again, i made no mention of Bush--Get over it.


[Gee, I did bet to myself that you would not go home when you promised. Smile ]

Let me parse it for you with size emphasis added to make it easier for you to grasp. I'll color it blue.

Setanta wrote:
What is most absurd about that crap that Ican posted is the assumption that this administration would want to do anything about the problem, would even consider it a problem, were there no public scrutiny. It also ludicrously assumes that Rummy would ever want to hire the most effective individual to clean up this mess. All that matters to these clowns right now is damage control.


What is most absurd about that crap that Ican posted is the assumption that this administration would want to do anything about the problem, would even consider it a problem, were there no public scrutiny. It also ludicrously assumes that Rummy would ever want to hire the most effective individual to clean up this mess. All that matters to these clowns right now is damage control


this administration Right, you didn't mention Bush by name merely by association. Are you a practicing defense attorney? Either way it's demagoguery and bigotry

Rummy Right, you didn't mention Rumsfeld by name either, merely by a nickname assigned by who knows. Again, are you a practicing defense attorney? Either way it's demagoguery and bigotry

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A rose by any other name is still a rose
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 13 May, 2004 03:27 pm
Setanta wrote:
You know, this will all go a lot easier for you if you think about what you are going to write before you actually write it. Then you won't have to do all of this backpedalling, and make such tortured efforts to construe the language in a manner which will justify your silly statements.


That looks to me like the "pot calling the kettle black."

No, its worse than that. It's a clear case of the griddle accusing the kettle of being greasy. So what? I'll just continue to boil water. Laughing
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 13 May, 2004 03:38 pm
FOUR QUESTIONS

Are those who threaten to murder and maim innocents morally equivalent to those who threaten to sexually abuse innocents?

Are those who actually murder and maim innocents morally equivalent to those who actually sexually abuse innocents?

Are those who defend innocents against those who threaten to murder or maim innocents, morally equivalent to those who threaten to sexually abuse innocents?

Are those who defend innocents against those who actually murder or maim innocents, morally equivalent to those who actually sexually abuse innocents?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 13 May, 2004 04:03 pm
Suppose the US forces Israel to vacate the so-called occupied lands and Gaza strip in Palestine, what do you think might happen? This article discusses that and more.

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The author, a retired senior U. S. diplomat, considers Washington¹s policy toward Israel in the context of what he sees as an "Israel, right or wrong" perspective. He holds that this outlook goes up against a Middle Eastern obsession with Israel, thus leading to the most significant adverse impact on U. S. interests in the region. ‹Ed.

Carleton S. Coon, Jr., was a career officer in the U.S. Foreign Service from 1949 to 1985. Most of his posts were in or involving the Near East and South Asia. He was ambassador to Nepal from 1981 to 1984. Since retiring he has published one book, Culture Wars and the Global Village (2000). Another work, "One Planet, One People," is due out this September.

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How can you describe a doughnut without mentioning the fact that it has a hole? I suppose you can if you have to, but it¹s a laborious and unsatisfying task. You can describe its composition and texture and color, you can talk about its uses, and so forth, but if you really want to get to grips with its distinctive identity you have to point out its shape. And the distinguishing feature about its shape is its hole.

How can you talk about the current scene in the Middle East without mentioning Israel? You can talk about Islam and its sects, you can talk about pan-Arabism versus national differences, you can talk about sects and tribes and ethnicity until you are blue in the face, but no analysis of what is happening in the region is complete without reference to Israel and its regional impact.

And yet, that is what is happening here in the land of the free. Almost no one publicly dares to relate our relationship with Israel¹s present government to what is going in the Middle East today, except in a formulaic, politically correct way that is devoid of meaning. Talk about terrorism, it all comes back to Arafat and his failure to control the Palestinian suicide bombers. Talk about why we invaded Iraq and our continuing security problems in the Sunni triangle of Iraq, never a mention of Israel. Talk about introducing democracy in the region, it¹s all about corruption, or maybe about Islam, never a word about Israel.

And most particularly, you can talk about why polls show that almost everyone in the Middle East hates us, and all you get is "they hate us for our freedom" and such nonsense, accompanied by suggestions that all we need to do is "sell" our "message" more effectively.

It¹s been two months since I wrote the first draft of this essay, and since then Sharon¹s government has blatantly assassinated Hamas leaders Sheikh Yassin and Rantisi. The U.S. media didn¹t even gulp. Sharon came to Washington and demanded that President Bush in effect abandon the "road map" and endorse the Sharon plan for absorbing much of the West Bank. Bush rolled over. Kerry announced that he would have rolled over too. Nobody speculated that this would hinder our effort to win hearts and minds in Iraq except the usual pro-Arab apologists on the left, and that veteran right-wing contrarian Pat Buchanan, who announced that Washington was "outsourcing" its foreign policy to Tel Aviv.

Within the last couple of weeks the Bush administration has been backpedaling on previous policy and putting its hopes on the UN official, Lakhdar Brahimi, to pull its chestnuts out of the fire and arrange an orderly transfer of power in Baghdad by the magic date of June 30. On April 23 Brahimi publicly stated that Israel¹s policies and American support had poisoned the the atmosphere and rendered his task more difficult. Shouldn¹t this be a newsworthy statement? The New York Times, on April 24, buried it in a small article on page 5, starting with the news that the UN secretariat would have preferred less inflammatory language. The esteemed Washington Post buried Brahimi¹s squawk even deeper, at the back end of a long article about Jerry Bremer¹s latest contortions.

The present situation is comparable to the parable about the emperor that has no clothes. The "Israel right or wrong" gang in America has managed to impose such a complete embargo on any rational discussion of our problems in the Middle East that in order to find any intelligent analysis of the Israeli factor you have to turn to Europe, or to Israel itself, where the liberal opposition in that country can still raise its voice. American gentiles have been bludgeoned into the notion that any attempt to relate recent Israeli expansionism to American interests in the region is, horrors! anti-semitic, and therefore completely reprehensible and anti-American. And every time some American Jews try to raise questions, they are accused of undermining Israel¹s security. It¹s amazing, how unfree our vaunted free speech has become on this issue.

What a difference there is, once you step outside the United States! The Middle East, of course, is obsessed with Israel, and you won¹t talk very long to people there before the subject comes up. The tunes vary but the underlying mode is always resentment at the United States for providing such strong and uncritical support to what they all see as the major threat to stability in the region. All right, but Israel is right there in the middle of the region. How about the rest of the world?

The prevailing European attitude is sharply at odds with our view of contemporary Israeli behavior, and opposition to our support for Sharon and his team is a major source of anti-American sentiment. But how about the others? Don¹t the developing nations of Asia, Africa, and Latin America have more to think about than our policy in the Middle East? Well, they do, but when they think about the USA, our global reputation as a post-colonialist backer of colonial-style aggression in the Levant lies somewhere in the backs of their minds, coloring their attitudes.

When I lived in Nepal twenty years ago, resentment at U.S. support for Israel was almost invisible, overlaid by more proximate concerns, but it was there, and it diluted otherwise favorable attitudes toward the USA.

If you think I¹m exaggerating, look at the votes in the UN General Assembly about Israel over the past forty years or so. On almost every other issue the U.S. delegation can muster up a respectable amount of support, but on this one we are almost never able to scrape up more than a pitiful handful of inconsequential mini states; it is the United States and Israel, a minority of two, against the world.

America has paid a heavy price for getting out on a limb in this manner and isolating itself from the mainstream of the world community. For example, terrorism is our number one problem these days, and we share it with Israel. Israel¹s right-wing government stubbornly refuses to look at the reasons why Palestinian women will strap explosives around their waists and blow themselves up in order to take out a few Israelis. To do so would expose the extent to which Palestinians as a culturally distinct group have been oppressed and humiliated to the point they feel their whole world is threatened with extinction. So Sharon continues to trumpet the criminality of the attacks and avoid or misconstrue any discussion of the motives of the attackers. And we supinely follow Sharon¹s lead. Now that we face our own terrorist threat, we insist on spending billions, and shortchanging our constitutional liberties, the better to bash its symptoms, while refusing to take any meaningful action to get at its causes. We refuse to distinguish between politically motivated terrorism and ordinary crime. We refuse, as does the Israeli government, to recognize the possibility of attacking politically motivated terrorism not just by clobbering it whenever possible, but by getting to the societies that spawn terrorists, and altering their perceptions of their future.

The Bush administration¹s disastrous doctrine of militant unilateralism didn¹t arise out of indigenous American isolationism alone. That tendency, always latent in our land, was cross-fertilized by the Israeli experience, and nourished by our growing sense of global isolation, to grow into a jingoistic monster. Instead of worrying about why the rest of the world disagreed with us, some of us decided, in a rather childish way, the hell with them, we¹ll show them, we¹ll go it alone. And that faction won the last election, on a technicality.

Our efforts in Iraq are severely handicapped by our close association with Israel¹s current policies. We are engaged in many good works in that unhappy country, but Sharon¹s albatross hangs around our neck, and that factor alone can spell the difference between success and failure. We thought we were coming to Iraq as liberators, and were surprised that so many people that suffered under Saddam¹s heel regard us as enemies.

There is much soul searching in Washington about our unpopularity in the Middle East, and some talk about doing something about it. Poor Margaret Tutweiler has been given a fresh mandate to "sell" America to the world, as though we were a brand of toothpaste. The Bush administration is so convinced that spin can overcome substance that it would market toothpaste tasting like cow manure if it thought its advertising budget was sufficient. Tutweiler can only succeed if we change the product. But that would require an open public discussion of where our relation with one faction in Israel was taking us, and how we might alter it. And that we cannot seem to accomplish.

The political correctness that governs our internal dialogue is wrong intrinsically, and wrong because it is out of phase. The whole Israeli "issue" has developed far beyond the early stage, which revolved around the question of whether Israel should continue to exist. Yes, there was a time when many Arabs were committed to combat Israel and if possible get rid of it. Some still do, but for years now there have been countless signs that majority Arab opinion has swung around to accepting Israel as an accomplished fact, however unwelcome. In that sense Israel and its powerful supporter, the United States, have won. But even by saying this, on the basis of a tremendous amount of evidence, I am getting controversial. It suits the mystique of political correctness that prevails here to insist that most Arabs still are dedicated to conquering and terminating the Israeli state. This is simply not true, but a lot of Americans believe it, because the Likudniks have pounded that line into our very subconscious. And they have done that because they do not want us to focus on where the real battle is being fought these days.

The present Israeli leadership isn¹t satisfied with winning the war over whether it should continue to exist. It wants more. If the battle over Israel¹s existence is over, the battle over Sharon¹s plan to annex much of the West Bank, and achieve permanent control over the rest, is only now reaching its peak. And this is the battle we are not allowed to discuss. We politely stand aside while the Bush administration talks about road maps and process while Sharon and his cohorts build the wall and erect "facts on the ground." It¹s all leading to what I call the 85% solution‹absorption of much of the West Bank directly into Israel and reduction of the rest to isolated pockets, like the holes in a Swiss cheese. Sharon sometimes pays lip service to our so-called "road map," but his own map is leading in a quite different direction. What he foresees is a West Bank that remains under effective Israeli control, speckled by little Bantustans where surviving Palestinians eke out a claustrophobic existence

That¹s the real battle going on these days. It began with a battle over the settlements, and now it¹s moving on to the next stage, with Sharon¹s announced intention, now ratified by our President, to impose a unilateral solution unless the impossible happens and every last Palestinian Arab agrees not to fight back. Until now, the United States has officially been opposed to the expansion of the settlements, but it has never gone to the mat with Sharon over this issue, and now Bush has agree to let Sharon get away with whatever he wants. Sharon¹s followup moves will come at the height of election fever in the USA and he is probably correct that Bush and company will steadfastly ignore whatever outrages he may commit. And if Bush loses and a new and more honorable administration takes over, well, even if Kerry changes his tune it will be a bit late. Once the cat has swallowed the canary it¹s difficult to get the bird back in its cage.

Most of the world, in sum, sees the USA as an accomplice to an international colonialist land grab. This is why world opinion is so down on us, in the Middle East especially. It isn¹t that they hate our freedom, quite the contrary. It isn¹t that Islam is entering a clash of civilization with the West, that is nonsense. It isn¹t even that they think we¹re just seeking control of the world¹s number one petroleum source. That¹s a secondary factor at best. They see us as accomplices to a crime, and as lying in our teeth in our attempts to prove otherwise. Their disapproval isn¹t just cynical, and it certainly isn¹t just naive; it is ethical, based on a sense that we are morally delinquent.

We won the first war, and Israel is here to stay. We should begin as soon as possible to exercise our influence in Israel and the region and put a stop to the second war, by forcing Sharon to back down and follow our road map, not his. If we do this, and are seen to do it, we shall secure a mammoth victory on a much wider front. We won¹t solve all our problems, but we¹ll get the cowflops out of that toothpaste and once again have a product that can sell.


May 1, 2004

American Diplomacy
Copyright © 2003 American Diplomacy Publishers Chapel Hill NC
www.americandiplomacy.org
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 13 May, 2004 07:55 pm
Clash of Civilizations
May 13, 2004
By MAUREEN DOWD

WASHINGTON

Testifying before the Senate yesterday, General Richard Myers admitted that we're checkmated in Iraq.

"There is no way to militarily lose in Iraq," he said,
describing the generals' consensus. "There is also no way to militarily win in Iraq."

Talk about the sound of one hand clapping. And they say John Kerry is on both sides of issues.

Sounding like Mr. Kerry, General Myers summed up: "This process has to be internationalized. The U.N. has to play the governance role. That's how we're, in my view, eventually going to win."

The administration's demented quest to conquer Arab hearts and minds has dissolved in a torrent of pornography denigrating other parts of the Arab anatomy. George Bush, who swept into office on a cloud of moral umbrage, now has his own sex scandal - one with far greater implications
than titillating cigar jokes.

The Bush hawks, so fixated on making the Middle East look more like America, have made America look un-American. Should we really be reduced to defending ourselves by saying at least we don't behead people?

Gripped in a "I can't look at them - I've got to look at them" state of mind, lawmakers grimly filed into private screening rooms on the Hill to check out the 1,800 grotesque images of sex, humiliation and torture.

"They're disgusting," Senator Dianne Feinstein told me. "If somebody wanted to plan a clash of civilizations, this is how they'd do it. These pictures play into every stereotype of America that Arabs have: America as debauched, America as hypocrites.

"Cheney and Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz act like they know all the answers, almost like a divine right," she said. "They don't have a divine right, and they are wrong."

After 9/11, America had the support and sympathy of the world. Now, awash in digital evidence of uncivilized behavior, America has careered into a war of civilizations. The pictures were clearly meant to use the codebook of Muslim anxieties about nudity and sexual and gender humiliation to break down the prisoners.

Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell said some photographs seemed to show Iraqi women being commanded to expose their breasts - such debasement, after a war that President Bush
partly based on women's rights.

The problem, of course, is that the war in Iraq started with lies - that Saddam's W.M.D. were endangering our security and that Saddam was linked to Al Qaeda and 9/11.

In a public relations move that cheapens the heroism of soldiers, the Pentagon merged the medals for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, giving the G.W.O.T. medal, for Global War on Terrorism, in both wars to reinforce the idea that we had to invade Iraq to quell terrorism. The truth is that
our invasion of Iraq spurred terrorism there and around the world.

That initial deception - and headlong rush to throw off international conventions and old alliances, and
namby-pamby institutions like the U.N. and the Red Cross - led straight to the abuse of Abu Ghraib. Now the question is whether the C.I.A. tortured Al Qaeda operatives.

Officials blurred the lines to justify ideological
decisions, calling every Iraqi who opposed us a
"terrorist"; conducting rough interrogations perhaps to find the nonexistent W.M.D. so they would not look foolish; rolling all opposition into one scary terrorist ball that did not require sensitivity to the Geneva Conventions or
"humanitarian do-gooders," to use the phrase of Senator James Inhofe, a Republican.

Senator Fritz Hollings made it clear yesterday that Rummy has left us undermanned and undertrained in Iraq - another factor in the torture scandal. "Now, in a country of 25 million, you're trying to secure it with 135,000," he scolded Mr. Rumsfeld, adding: "We're trying to win the
hearts and minds as we're killing them and torturing them." At least, he said sarcastically, Gen. William Westmoreland never asked a Vietcong general to take the town, "like we
have for Falluja. We've asked the enemy general to take the town."

The hawks, who promised us garlands in Iraq, should have recalled the words of the historian Daniel Boorstin, who warned that planning for the future without a sense of history is like planting cut flowers.

E-mail: [email protected]

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/13/opinion/13DOWD.html?ex=1085449584&ei=1&en=39f43158676d36e2
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I'm not sure why Rummie is wasting his time in Iraq today. He has the potential of making things worse than making them better by his visit. This administration doesn't understand anything about the Arab feeling. All they've done so far is to insult them.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 13 May, 2004 10:04 pm
Berg Died for Bush, Rumsfeld 'Sins' - Father

1 hour, 29 minutes ago Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo!


By Jon Hurdle

PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - The father of Nick Berg, the American beheaded in Iraq (news - web sites), directly blamed President Bush (news - web sites) and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Thursday for his son's death.


"My son died for the sins of George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld. This administration did this," Berg said in an interview with radio station KYW-AM two days after a video showing the execution of his son was shown on an Islamist Web site.


In the interview from outside his home in West Chester, Pennsylvania, a seething Michael Berg also said his 26-year-old son, a civilian contractor, probably would have felt positive, even about his executioners, until the last minute.


"I am sure that he only saw the good in his captors until the last second of his life," Berg said. "They did not know what they were doing. They killed their best friend."


Asked to respond to Berg's comments about the president, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said, "The Berg family is going through a very difficult period and they remain in our thoughts and prayers."


Meanwhile, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites), the presumptive Democratic nominee to challenge Bush in the November election, said he had spoken to Michael Berg to express sympathy. "I know as a father how I would feel if it were one of my daughters or stepsons. I think every American is pained by what is going on."


Asked if Bush had also called Nicholas Berg's family, McClellan said he had not but pointed to the president's public expressions of condolence to the family.


Michael Berg's criticism came amid finger-pointing between Berg's family, U.S. military officials and Iraqi police over the young businessman's imprisonment before his execution.


Berg rejected U.S. government claims that his son had never been held by American authorities in Iraq. The Iraqi police chief in the city of Mosul has also contradicted statements by the U.S.-led coalition concerning the younger Berg's detention.


'FBI (news - web sites) CAME TO MY HOUSE'


"I have a written statement from the State Department in Baghdad ... saying that my son was being held by the military," Berg said. "I can also assure you that the FBI came to my house on March 31 and told me that the FBI had him in Mosul in an Iraqi prison."


CBS reported on Thursday that Berg was questioned by FBI agents who discovered he had been interviewed before because a computer password he used in college had turned up in the possession of accused Sept. 11 conspirator Zaccarias Moussaoui.


It said the FBI had concluded there was nothing sinister in that. The FBI had no comment on the report.


Dan Senor, spokesman for the Coalition Provisional Authority, said this week that Nick Berg was arrested in Mosul by Iraqi police on March 24 and released on April 6 and was visited by the FBI three times during his detention.


Brig.-Gen. Mark Kimmitt, the top U.S. military spokesman in Iraq, said American military police had seen Berg during his detention to make sure he was being fed and treated properly.


Berg returned to Baghdad from Mosul in April and went missing on April 9, during a chaotic period when dozens of foreigners were snatched by guerrillas west of the capital.


His body was discovered by a road near Baghdad and the video of his decapitation was posted on the Internet.





Berg had been in Baghdad from late December to Feb. 1 and returned to Iraq in March. He did not find work and planned to return home at the end of March, according to his parents.

Berg's communications to his parents stopped on March 24 and he told them later he was jailed by Iraqi officials after being picked up at a checkpoint in Mosul.

On April 5, the Bergs filed a lawsuit against the U.S. government, naming Rumsfeld and alleging their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military in Iraq. The next day, he was released. (additional reporting by Maher al-Thanoon and Caren Bohan)
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 05:26 am
Here the Daily Mirror is in hot water for publishing pictures of British soldiers abusing Iraqi prisoners that turn out to be fake. (i.e. taken by soldiers in the back of a truck in the UK, and sold to the paper as genuine)

Note the abuse wasn't fake, that happened all right. Several soldiers have been so disgusted by what they saw or even participated in that they have come forward with their stories...and not for payment.

Nevertheless, for splashing the story all over the front page, the Mirror is accused of treachery, putting soldiers lives at risk, etc.

The level of hypocracy is astouding.

It wasn't the mirror that put soldiers lives at risk by sending them to war. It was the British govt. Moreover they were sent into an illegal unnecessary and unjustified war on the basis of a blatant lie about wmd.

It wasnt the Mirror that tortured prisoners. It was some British soldiers who further endangered their own lives and those of their comrades by abusing Iraqis contrary to law and the regulations of the British Army.

It wasnt the Mirror that mocked up the photos. It was soldiers back in the uk who illegally staged managed the photo shoot and sold the product to the Mirror.

But the public now seem to be venting all their spleen on the editor of a newspaper who is telling the unpalatable truth about whats happening in this war...because he illustrated the truth with photos that were staged.

I even heard one woman this morning saying that no unofficial information should come out of Iraq AT ALL until after the war was over, and the troops safely back home.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 06:12 am
steve

I've been following the Mirror story too. Same techniques...divert attention away from the actual moral atrocities, and then attempt to suggest that running the photo (not immediately evident as fake) or even running actual photos is somehow a greater moral wrong than the atrocities.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 06:29 am
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He's too busy congratulating himself on his delusional conviction that he's made me out to be another Hitler.


Most upset about this. I thought I was the only other Hitler around here. My status is demeaned!
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 06:32 am
Quote:
My status is demeaned!


And who would have thought there might be further downward dimension to travel?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 07:32 am
Quote:
And who would have thought there might be further downward dimension to travel?


Laughing
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 08:18 am
The meager attempt at distorting semantics is uninspired and only reveals that someone is bigoted towards the English language.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 10:07 am
Hitler in addition to writing "Mein Kampf" directed the invasion and occupation of Germany's near and far neighbors, killing millions of them. In addition to that, Hitler directed the execution of millions of innocents in the countries his troops occupied.

So unless you wrote a bigoted and demagogic book like "Mein Kampf" and murdered at least one innocent person, rest assured that you are not even a budding Hitler.

Even if your behavior emulates some of the behaviors described/specified in "Mein Kampf", you can probably rest assured that you are no Hitler in the making. However, repetition of such emulation on your part may qualify you for designation as a bigoted demagogue. For example, you may repeatedly do any one or more of the following to qualify for this designation:
1. you intentionally communicate falsities;
2. you allege that all people exhibiting a particular trait or set of traits are probably quilty of the same actions (e.g., all theists, or all atheists, are probably murderers);
3. you allege that all errors committed by someone with whom you disagree are probably intentional;
4. you allege that you are being accused of being an XXX when you are actually being accused of having exhibited some trait or traits of an XXX.

Perhaps you already know all that.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 10:13 am
WHAT DO YOU PREDICT WILL HAPPEN IF THE US REMOVES ITS TROOPS FROM IRAQ?

WHAT DO YOU PREDICT WILL HAPPEN IF THE US LEAVES ITS TROOPS IN IRAQ?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 10:24 am
What do you predict will happen to ican if he continues these ad hominem attacks?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 10:29 am
Lightwizard wrote:
What do you predict will happen to ican if he continues these ad hominem attacks?


Laughing Shocked Crying or Very sad
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 10:30 am
Maybe more people will quit responding to him like I have.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 10:52 am
Well I don't know if all those questions were directed at me ican, but lets presume they were.

They'll have to wait. I have more serious stuff to sort out... like where did the green font and double underline for
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dimension
(above) come from?

And in any case I have more countries to invade.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 10:54 am
And even more mysteriously, where did it go? Anyone else see it whilst it was there?
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2004 10:56 am
steve

That feature is popping up all over the place. I gather it is a little bit of software running in the engine room.
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