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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ VI

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2004 11:59 am
It was NOT OUR PROBLEM. It was, and still is, an international problem, but this administration decided on its own to buy it.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2004 12:08 pm
Joe Nation wrote:
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The fundamental problem with contaiment of the Saddam State is that it allowed continuation of mass murder of Iraqi innocents and Saddam sponsorship of terrorist mass murder of worldwide innocents.

my emphasis.

This portion is false.


This portion is true!

Saddam did in fact make widely known his support for Palestinian terrorists by rewarding the families of suicide bombers of innocents with big bucks. Must he inform you in such blatant manner about his other assistance to terrorists as well before you will stop alleging "no evidence"?

In the face of that old knowledge and the new knowledge of Saddam's distribution of big bucks from the Oil-for-Food program to terrorist organizations throughout the world do you still persist in believing this NO EVIDENCE BS from those you generally claim to not believe ?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2004 12:10 pm
There's only one truth and this truth is .... yours, ican?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2004 12:27 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
There's only one truth and this truth is .... yours, ican?


Regarding the specific question of whether or not Saddam sponsored terrorist groups after 1991, there is only one truth. He did. That truth doen't belong to me. It belongs to reality and I'm merely reporting it.

Saddam's several billion dollar skim from the Oil-for-Food program rendered him a major player in the terrorist game. We know for a fact that he was a player by means of his gifts to the families of Palestinian suicide terrorists.

Think, people, think.

Bush admittedly contemplates the threat of Saddam in the first ten days of his administration and you infer from that he was planning to attack Iran before 9/11/2001. Thin very thin. Well Clinton was contemplating the same damn thing for 8 years. What do you infer from that?

I think my inference is far more credible. I infer from Saddam's support of Palestinian terrorists and his now known distributions of some of those billions of skim money from the Oil-for-Food program that he supported other terrorists as well. And notice, I didn't even mention in this post until now evidence of terrorist training facilities in pre-9/11/2001 Iraq.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2004 12:39 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
It was NOT OUR PROBLEM. It was, and still is, an international problem, but this administration decided on its own to buy it.


Wow! Now there's a falsehood!

This administration did not decide this on its own. It decided this along with many nations making up the current coalition now in Iraq. Yes, he failed in over a year of trying to convince two countries on the security council with veto power to enforce UN Resolution 1441: France and Russia. Duh! Big surprise! These two countries along with Germany had known proven vested interests in the continuation of Saddam in power: their huge (to them) loans to Saddam. I infer from their recent actions that even now some of the rascally opinion leaders in these countries would prefer to see Saddam reinstated over more dead bodies of the Iraqi people.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2004 12:44 pm
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From personal experiences I know that he has easily access to even better history knowledge, 24 hours a day, 7 days per week, 12 months a year ...


Laughing


And its free (sort of)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2004 12:50 pm
<Hoping, to get a bonus for mentioning that "worldwide" :wink: >
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2004 12:51 pm
To take it one step further, how long do you think Russia and France would have remained non-committal if Saddam had attacked any of his neighbors with WMDs?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2004 12:51 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
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From personal experiences I know that he has easily access to even better history knowledge, 24 hours a day, 7 days per week, 12 months a year ...
Laughing And its free (sort of)


Surely we both understand that, access to knowledge is not synonymous with possession of knowledge. Of course, my access and possession are not free (sort of), but that is another matter. Laughing
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2004 01:01 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
To take it one step further, how long do you think Russia and France would have remained non-committal if Saddam had attacked any of his neighbors with WMDs?


At least a year! Crying or Very sad If they themselves or their neighbors were so attacked, it wouldn't matter how long would it Question It would thereby be too damn late for them. Exclamation Of course, if the US were attacked first with WMDs, like the US was with hijacked airliners, they would have probably remained "non-committal" for several years barring an attack on them; perhaps they would have even cheered. Exclamation Crying or Very sad
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2004 01:04 pm
You're confused: the airliner attacks were instigated by OBL and citizens of Saudi Arabia, not Iraq.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2004 01:04 pm
ican711nm wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
To take it one step further, how long do you think Russia and France would have remained non-committal if Saddam had attacked any of his neighbors with WMDs?


At least a year! Crying or Very sad If they themselves or their neighbors were so attacked, it wouldn't matter how long would it Question It would thereby be too damn late for them:!: Of course, if we were attacked first with WMDs, like we were with airliners, they would have probably remained "non-committal" for several years barring an attack on them; perhaps they would have even cheered:!:

A: What WMD's? The imaginary ones that you insist were there?
B: Airliners, you mean like the al-Quaeda attck, which Iraq had nothing to do with?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2004 01:07 pm
ican711nm wrote:

At least a year! Crying or Very sad If they themselves or their neighbors were so attacked, it wouldn't matter how long would it Question It would thereby be too damn late for them. Exclamation Of course, if the US were attacked first with WMDs, like the US was with hijacked airliners, they would have probably remained "non-committal" for several years barring an attack on them; perhaps they would have even cheered. Exclamation Crying or Very sad


People shouldn't drive and use the keyboard when they are on drugs
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2004 01:11 pm
Oh stop! It's a big step from sponsoring worldwide terrorism and sending money to Palestinian bombers, don't believe me? ask the Saudis who sent way more than Saddam, how come we're not bombing them? I guess Rumsfeld doesn't have a fever about their participation in 9-11, just Saddam's.

And that terrorist training camp you refer to? Is that the one where the terrorists were training to overthrow Saddam sponsored by the Iranians?
Gosh, what a peach this guy Saddam is! Training his own opposition. There were areas of Iraq where Saddam didn't have any control at all, kind of like, in this country, Idaho.

:wink:

Joe
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2004 01:17 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
You're confused: the airliner attacks were instigated by OBL and citizens of Saudi Arabia, not Iraq.


No! It is you who are confused.

First, the US state department has officially recognized 25 terrorist groups and they are not all from Saudi Arabia, but they all seek to murder innocent people.

Second, OBL was himself kicked out of Saudi Arabia long before 9/11/2001. He eventually deposited himself and his gang in Afghanistan with the Taliban.

Third, I do not think a continued preoccupation with OBL and which terrorist group did what is going to save anyone. They all must be exterminated.

Fourth and main point, the Russians and French did not care that their weapon building assistance to Saddam presented a potential threat to everyone; they did not care because they believed they would be the last to be attacked by terrorists with those weapons; they did not care because they believed the US, UK and other western European countries like Spain would be attacked with such weapons before they would. They perceive the airliner attack on the US as merely an early justification for them not to care.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2004 01:22 pm
ican711nm wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
You're confused: the airliner attacks were instigated by OBL and citizens of Saudi Arabia, not Iraq.


No! It is you who are confused.

Well, no.

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First, the US state department has officially recognized 25 terrorist groups and they are not all from Saudi Arabia, but they all seek to murder innocent people.

How about that. Whoopee. This is almost as enlightening as knowing you are capable of looking up words in a dictionary. Rolling Eyes

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Second, OBL was himself kicked out of Saudi Arabia long before 9/11/2001. He eventually deposited himself and his gang in Afghanistan with the Taliban.

Of course, you have conveniently overlooked the fact that he was never welcom in Iraq, due mainly to his opposition to Hussein.

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Third, I do not think a continued preoccupation with OBL and which terrorist group did what is going to save anyone. They all must be exterminated.

What are you now, a Dalek?

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Fourth and main point, the Russians and French did not care that their weapon building assistance to Saddam presented a potential threat to everyone; they did not care because they believed they would be the last to be attacked by terrorists with those weapons; they did not care because they believed the US, UK and other western European countries like Spain would be attacked with such weapons before they would.

No, you aren't a Dalek, merely living in your own little strange universe.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2004 01:24 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
People shouldn't drive and use the keyboard when they are on drugs


Right you are!

So stop doing that! Laughing
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2004 01:31 pm
ican711nm wrote:


So stop doing that! Laughing


Since more than 20 years now, ican!

You can get similar help as I got help here Texas Health Guide
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2004 01:46 pm
hobitbob wrote:
Of course, you have conveniently overlooked the fact that he was never welcom in Iraq, due mainly to his opposition to Hussein.


Your evidence for that claim is what?

hobitbob wrote:
What are you now, a Dalek?


What's a Dalek?

I'm still a probabilist.
www.m-w.com
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Main Entry: prob·a·bi·lism
Pronunciation: 'prä-b&-b&-"li-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: French probabilisme, from Latin probabilis probable
1 : a theory that in disputed moral questions any solidly probable course may be followed even though an opposed course is or appears more probable
2 : a theory that certainty is impossible especially in the sciences and that probability suffices to govern belief and action
- prob·a·bi·list /-list/ adjective or noun

:wink:

hobitbob wrote:
No, you aren't a Dalek, merely living in your own little strange universe.


Then you're wrong on both counts. It's long past time for you to consider the very real probability that it is you who are:
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merely living in your own little strange universe
free from immediate responsibility for the consequences of your actions.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2004 01:55 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
So stop doing that! Laughing

Since more than 20 years now, ican! You can get similar help as I got help ...


Bingo!

Any recidivism in the last 20 years?

If not, I'll surely call on your reference when I first start doing that (if I ever do that). Smile
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