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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
revelette
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 04:01 pm
@JPB,
The joint session of congress and then later beat him up with it.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 05:44 pm
@revelette,
Quote:
If Boehner didn't raise any objections when being informed of the President's request to speak before congress, what difference does it make when the letter was sent if they didn't think there was any objection to it? Are you saying they put the President on an an answering machine rather than answering his or his staff's phone call?
When and how Boehner was informed of the Presidents desire is not clear, The White House says that they sent a letter but when, and to whom? Is this the normal way Presidents go about consulting with the Speaker of the House when they desire to use the chamber, there is not so much as a staff to staff phone call much less a President to Speaker phone call? I find that hard to believe. According to Boehner proper established proceedures were not followed and he was insulted. Considering that this story has been around for awhile and the White House has not claimed that they used standard procedure here I'd say Boehner's claim is likely to be true. I also noted from the White House a tone of not giving a **** about either Boehner's dignity nor about the pre-scheduled debate, in fact the White house seemed very snotty for most of a day before they caved in.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 05:49 pm
@hawkeye10,
Obama-Boehner speech spat should worry Democrats

By James Downie

Quote:
When you thought Washington couldn’t get any lower, now the two parties are squabbling over when the president can speak to Congress. The White House asked if President Obama could address a joint session on Sept. 7 at 8:00 p.m., the same night and time as the next Republican presidential debate. House Speaker John Boehner, citing scheduled votes that would make a security sweep before the president’s speech impossible, asked the White House to move the speech to Sept. 8. Should this even be a story at all? No, of course not, but the whole episode should still have Democrats concerned.

Of the two, Boehner is acting less dignified. Citing a cluttered House schedule when he controls said House schedule is ridiculous, and citing the logistics of security sweeps on top of that is even more so, especially when Boehner’s rejection of the president’s request is historically unprecedented. Frankly, though, his actions aren’t surprising, given his antics during the debt ceiling debate.

But I’m more disappointed with the White House, because this spat sums up so well the image problems that Obama has faced since the start of his term.

● If the White House has spent months working to appear above the partisan fray – as they insist they have – then pulling a blatantly partisan stunt like this torpedoes all of that PR work.

●Pretending the timing was a coincidence has backfired with the press and pundits. Did the White House really think, when it sent Jay Carney to his press briefing, that people would swallow his line that the timing was “coincidental”?

●In the aftermath of the announcement, the narrative of the afternoon on cable news ran in part that the White House had not cleared the date with the speaker, with some outlets suggesting that Boehner’s office had only been given 15 minutes notice. If true, the White House was disrespectful and should rightly be admonished.

● Since Boehner’s rejection, several outlets have now reported (and the White House is now insisting) that the speaker’s office “raised no objection or concern.” Yet if that is true, that’s scarcely better news for Obama, because that means his staff somehow let the opposite narrative in this “nuh-uh, ya-huh” debate get a multi-hour head start. Now they’re scrambling to correct the record. If only there’d been some kind of press conference where these details could have been mentioned.

If this was an attempt to make Republicans look unreasonable, then, in almost every conceivable way, it failed spectacularly. And scheduling the speech during the GOP debate, even if Boehner had immediately acceded, is the one way the White House could guarantee a) that fewer voters would be watching and that b) viewers and pundits would pay less attention to the speech’s content and more to the theatrics around it. In other words, it’s the easiest way to lessen the speech’s chances at success. If this is a preview of Obama’s re-election campaign, Democrats should be very worried

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/obama-boehner-speech-spat-should-worry-democrats/2011/08/31/gIQAlfgssJ_blog.html
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 06:13 pm
@hawkeye10,
Why-Bama: Obama Caves To GOP Request To Move Jobs Speech

Quote:
Democrats are wringing their hands over the latest apparent sign that President Obama is a wimp: After yesterday's public squabble—the White House announced Obama's jobs speech would be September 7, at the same time as the GOP debate, which then prompted House Speaker John Boehner to issue an angry letter!—now Obama will give his speech on September 8. White House spokesman Jay Carney said today, "Our intention was merely for the president to address a joint session of Congress as soon as possible upon Congress’s return from recess. Both houses are supposed to be -- will be in session next Wednesday, so we asked for that day," adding that Boehner's office never objected when September 7 was initially requested.
Carney continued, "You know what? That’s fine - we’ll go Thursday. Our interest is not in having a political back-and-forth here, at all. … Look, Americans are sick and tired of the partisan bickering, the gridlock."
One Democratic congressional aide moaned to Politico, "The narrative about the jobs speech has now become about when the speech is given, not the substance of the speech." The White House apparently didn't tell either party about a September 7 speech either—a Democratic Senate aide said it was "pure Obama — keeping us in the dark until the last minute."
According to the Washington Post, "The dust-up underscored Obama’s dilemma as he attempts to show progress on the economy while distancing himself from a dysfunctional Washington." The NY Times also called the exchange between the White House and Boehner's office "a surreal volley of letters" and "a very public game of chicken."

http://gothamist.com/2011/09/01/obama_caves_to_gop_request_to_move.php
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 06:42 pm
@hawkeye10,
What do you expect from "No Backbone Obama?"

Next thing you know, Obama will be on his knees to beg Boehner for a time slot for his SOU.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 1 Sep, 2011 07:13 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

What do you expect from "No Backbone Obama?"

Next thing you know, Obama will be on his knees to beg Boehner for a time slot for his SOU.

I think the bigger story here is the continuation of his unwillingness to talk to people, as if he as a stick up his ass. And then on the flip side we see him unwilling to lead Congress, on major moves by the government he tells Congress "figure it out and get back to me"......very strange stuff here. It is almost like he was raised to be king but since he is only President he gives us all the finger and refuses to do his job. We see that as well by his continuing to implement policy by fiat after deciding by himself what is to be done...Libya, bailing out the auto companies, recess appointments, having "his" agencies change regulation rather than have Congress change the laws, on immigration deciding himself who will and who will not have the law applied to them...and so on. He operates as if he thinks he should be king, so he will rule as a king as much as he can get away with...
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2011 04:54 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:



Next thing you know, Obama will be on his knees to beg Boehner for a time slot for his SOU.



After racking up so much debt, cramming Obamacare down our throats and leading the country into a double dip recession via Obomanomics he should be on his knees apologizing to the American people and begging for forgiveness
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revelette
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2011 06:25 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
White House Chief of Staff Bill Daley telephoned Speaker Boehner directly late yesterday morning, sketching out the President’s plans to make his jobs proposal in an address to a Joint session – on Wednesday.

The Speaker did not object, but, Republicans say, he had to look at logistics and did not expect WH Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer to tweet the details an hour later.

The Boehner offer “on behalf of the bipartisan leadership and membership of both the House and Senate” to speak “at a time that works best for your schedule” was made public four hours after that.

The NFL season opener kicks off at 8:35pm Eastern time Thursday. By then the President’s address may be over, and only the GOP response and pundits will lose out.


source

Regardless of the president's motives or even Boehner's , the fact remains, they did call, no objection was made. A white house staff tweeted the details before Boehner's office looked at logistics and decided the next day would be better. The WH agreed.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2011 07:27 am
@revelette,
revelette wrote:

Regardless of the president's motives or even Boehner's , the fact remains, they did call, no objection was made. A white house staff tweeted the details before Boehner's office looked at logistics and decided the next day would be better. The WH agreed.

Yet another strange episode of either inplausible incompetence in the White House or childish game-playing, pouting and stupidity. The fact that they so quickly folded their cards after themselves putting the Speaker of the House (# 3 in succession and the leader of an independent branch of the government) in an awkwatd position, leaving him no alternative, without betraying his political party, but refusal ... indicates a profound lack of adult seriousness on the part of the president. What the hell did they suppose the Speaker of the House would do ????

These may be some of the artifices used by community organizers in game-playing and influencing those they wish to manipulate, but they are not the actions of anyone who has ever exercised accountable executive authority in running any serious undertaking.

Our president continues a spectacle of ever stranger illustrations of his lack of depth and gravitas, together with suggestions of childish arrogance and self-absorption. Beyond these there is his increasingly evident inability to seriously engage the unfolding issues before the country. He is fairly adept rhetorically and at positioning himself in the political dance, but that appears to be all he has to offer us. The last remaining year of this failed Presidency is likely to be difficult for us all.
parados
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2011 07:32 am
@georgeob1,
I'm curious why Boehner agreed to let Congress reconvene on a day that the GOP is holding a debate.

Oh.. that's right. Obama wanted to speak on their first day back.... But somehow that was political on HIS part?

What a f**** crock of **** you are spewing george.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2011 07:40 am


Obama's recession...


Employers add no net jobs in August.
Unemployment rate unchanged at 9.1%




The best thing Obama could do right before the 1st NFL game
of the season is announce that he will not seek a second term.
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2011 07:41 am
@parados,
Jobs are #1..

except for the GOP debate that is more important.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2011 07:49 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

I'm curious why Boehner agreed to let Congress reconvene on a day that the GOP is holding a debate.

Oh.. that's right. Obama wanted to speak on their first day back.... But somehow that was political on HIS part?

What a f**** crock of **** you are spewing george.


Don't waste your feeble efforts trying to defend the indefensible. Even Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer and the Democrat cohort in the Senate are too embarassed to speak up on this one. This comedy is unworthy of a high school contest for class president, and our juvenile, gotcha game-playing, amateur in the White House started it on his own without help from anyone.
revelette
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2011 08:10 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
What the hell did they suppose the Speaker of the House would do ????


If the speaker of the house had objections to the president of US to address a joint session of congress on that day, he could have voiced them when the WH called. He didn't.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2011 08:35 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

I'm curious why Boehner agreed to let Congress reconvene on a day that the GOP is holding a debate.

Oh.. that's right. Obama wanted to speak on their first day back.... But somehow that was political on HIS part?

What a f**** crock of **** you are spewing george.


I totally agree. The degree to which Republicans have gotten their panties in a wad over this non-issue is stunning. It's absolutely ******* pathetic and indicative of deeper problems with accepting that Obama is the prez on their parts.

This, more than any other factor, is what motivates me to work hard for Obama's re-election; I'd love for him to win, and spend 4 years rubbing it in the face of the mouth-breathers we have here on A2K.

Cycloptichorn
parados
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2011 09:27 am
@georgeob1,
Asking to speak to Congress on their first day back on an issue that EVERYONE says is the most important one facing the country is juvenile?

I suppose the ADULT thing to do is ignore the problem for as long as possible?
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2011 09:54 am


Obama is acting like the man child he is.
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revelette
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2011 11:26 am
There are no new job created in August, unemployment has remained the same. It seems government jobs have been sinking since the recession began.

Quote:
Government employment continued to trend down over the month (-17,000).
Despite the return of about 22,000 workers from a partial government shutdown
in Minnesota, employment in state government changed little in August (+5,000).
Employment in local government continued to decline. Since employment peaked
in September 2008, local government has lost 550,000 jobs.


source

Rick Perry keeps going on and on about the evil government, yet I just it so odd that while the rest of country has been slashing government jobs right and left, Texas has added the most in government and indeed, that is how their state managed to keep adding jobs while the rest of the country has not.

http://images1.dailykos.com/i/user/191280/texasmiracle.png

Data from St. Louis Federal Reserve
(Texas, U.S., December 2007 to June 2011)




H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2011 11:29 am
@revelette,


Obama has no plans to improve the US economy or job situation.
revelette
 
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Reply Fri 2 Sep, 2011 11:35 am
@H2O MAN,
I guess we will have to see in his speech right before the football game. If he does have a plan, doubt it will get through congress.

So far all I have seen from the other side (other than Huntsman who don't have a prayer of winning the republican primary) is the same ole cut taxes, cut regulations song as though we haven't been singing it all this time (even with Obama in office) while the economy has been sinking.

 

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