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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
djjd62
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2011 04:05 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:
... the democrat presidential candidate for 2012 is sub-par ...


have they picked one yet?
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 07:46 am


The way it looks now and unless Chris Christie decides to get in the race - Mitt Romney will be the republican nominee.

If that happens, I hope he will consider Cain or Perry as his pick for VP.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 12:38 pm
@H2O MAN,
I think Perry. Than we could have another 1963 senarreo where a Texan becomes president through assassination.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 01:16 pm
Gallup is out with a new poll today of Republican nominees. The significance - if there is any - is that this is the 1st poll (8/17 - 8/21) after the recent Iowa debate and straw poll and Perry's formal entry into the fray.
The August results* show:
Perry (29%) vs 18% in July- up 11 points
Romney (17%) vs 23% - down 6
Paul (13%) vs 10% - up 3
Bachmann (10%) vs 13% - down 3
Cain (4%)
Gingrich (4%)
Santorum (3%)
Huntsman (1%)

The distribution of choices by age is interesting:
18-29 yrs: Perry (21%); Romney (11%); Paul (29%); Bachmann (12%)
30-49: Perry (23%); Romney (15%); Paul (15%); Bachmann (11%)
50-64: Perry (31%); Romney (24%); Paul (7%); Bachmann (9%)
65+: Perry (40%), Romney (16%); Paul (4%); Bachman (10%)

Perry leads Romney in the South 39% to 12% and in the West 28% to 22%.
Perry leads Romney among those who are more religiously active 30% to 19%.

*Poll of 1040 adults who describe themselves as Republicans or Independents with leanings towards the Republican party. MOE 4%.
JPB
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 01:24 pm
@realjohnboy,
Romney better start campaigning against someone other than Obama soon. He's been acting like he's got this thing wrapped up.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 01:24 pm
@realjohnboy,
And Perry becomes the latest personification of "none of the above."
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JPB
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 01:25 pm
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Former Gov. Pataki may jump into the 2012 race when he appears at an Iowa picnic over the weekend, according to a new report.

Pataki, a former three-term governor of New York who was in charge of the Empire State during the 9/11 attacks, will reportedly discuss his 2012 plans at a Polk County Republicans picnic Saturday in Des Moines, the New York Times reported.

While an aide to Pataki would only say that his boss was "seriously considering getting into the race," Darrell Kearney, the Polk County Republican Party finance director said that having spoken to Pataki's people, he believed there was a good chance that the former governor would join the emerging field.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/pataki_tipped_to_enter_race_this_BpaWt0APkSsmEDWB39Ca8N#ixzz1VyaL0fQP
maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 01:54 pm
@realjohnboy,
I'd vote for Ron Paul if he could ever make it past the primary.
We disagree on a lot of things, but at least he'll error towards less government intrusion which IMO is usually the most favorable outcome.

And congress would never let him get away with anything too crazy (like reducing government to 1917 levels...that's too small).
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 02:02 pm
@maporsche,
As I recall, MaP, you are still in your 20's. I was quite surprised to see how drastically support for Paul drops with age.
maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 02:51 pm
@realjohnboy,
I imagine it's because he wants to basically remove SS and Medicare.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 02:54 pm
@RABEL222,
You're planning to assassinate a president... that's good to know Shocked
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 03:17 pm
@JPB,
I don't know much about Pataki, JPB, or what his objective is. He has virtually no name recognition, little of no boots on the ground in early primary/caucus states or a strong cadre of top level operatives. Does he have a long list of donors who haven't committed to other candidates?
JPB
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 03:21 pm
@realjohnboy,
No, but he's another fiscal conservative, social moderate who won't survive the primaries - much like Huntsman.
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JPB
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 03:23 pm
@maporsche,
I've often said that this generation better do something to revamp SS and Medicare for the long term because, if we don't, the next generation will do it for us.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 04:33 pm
Good evening. I started this thread at the beginning of the year. That was probably way to early and I was not at all the most appropriate person to do it. Click on page 1 of this to see my opening comments and a few responses.
So now we are up to 90 pages, 1800 posts and 25000 views. Go figure.
I hope that some of yall could write about candidates and/or Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Nevada and Florida.
I see Bachmann as being the most vulnerable, but what do I know.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 05:49 pm
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:

I see Bachmann as being the most vulnerable, but what do I know.


I'm inclined to agree. She doesn't wear well.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2011 08:09 pm
Quote:
As Romney returned to the campaign trail this week, he faced a new reality: He is no longer ahead of the pack in the race for the 2012 GOP presidential nomination. A Gallup poll released Wednesday showed Texas Gov. Rick Perry with a sizable lead over Romney among Republicans and GOP-leaning independents nationally, 29 percent to 17 percent.

The survey showed Rep. Ron Paul (Tex.) at 13 percent and Rep. Michele Bachmann (Minn.) slipping to 10 percent. No other candidate registered in the double digits.

Romney acknowledged that “Rick is a very effective candidate” but insisted that Perry’s presence in the race will not change the way he pursues the nomination.

“You’re going to try and find something that’s changed. I’ve got a dark shirt on today. It was a light shirt yesterday,” Romney quipped to reporters. “Look, I’m following the strategy I’ve had and that we’ve laid out from the very beginning. . . . If you’re running for president, your focus should be on the person who is president and his failures and how you’re going to make America better.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mitt-romney-now-trailing-rick-perry-for-gop-presidential-nomination-poll-shows/2011/08/24/gIQA4svHcJ_story.html?hpid=z2

Another "I told you so" message from Hawkeye, both that Perry is the best candidate currently in the race and that there is no way in Hell that Romney can get nominated...we as a nation have already looked closely at him and rejected him.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2011 07:01 am
@hawkeye10,
Perry is going to have his secession act and his SS is unconstitutional statement hung around his neck. He will be unelectable.
revelette
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2011 08:44 am
@parados,
One would think so, but we have been through bizarro world before.
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revelette
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2011 08:50 am
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This may seem like an obvious point. But seriously: Does the Rick Perry campaign have any strategy at all to deal with the fact that a whole host of extreme views that would seriously complicate his general election chances are right there in black and white, right under his own byline?

Judging by recent events, the Perry campaign launched with no plan to deal with or explain what appears in his own books. Here’s another example. Time magazine has discovered that in his first book, Perry compared being gay to being an alcoholic:

In a little-noticed passage in his first book, “On My Honor,” a encomium on the Boy Scouts published in 2008, Perry also drew a parallel between homosexuality and alcoholism. “Even if an alcoholic is powerless over alcohol once it enters his body, he still makes a choice to drink,” he wrote. “And, even if someone is attracted to a person of the same sex, he or she still makes a choice to engage in sexual activity with someone of the same gender.”

In “On My Honor,” Perry also punted on the exact origins of homosexuality. He wrote that he is “no expert on the ‘nature versus nurture’ debate,” but that gays should simply choose abstinence. Perry’s campaign did not respond to a request for comment on whether he maintains this view.
So: Asked if he still believes homosexuality is akin to alcoholism, the Perry campaign simply didn’t answer. That means we’ve now seen three different approaches from the Perry camp on how to deal with his printed views.

First, in response to questions about his book’s suggestion that Social Security may be unconstitutional and is an “illegal Ponzi scheme,” the Perry campaign distanced him from the book by claiming it was intended as “a look back, not a path forward.” In fact, the book did contain policy prescriptions. What’s more, as Jed Lewison notes, Perry himself recently cited his book approvingly as something that should be read as his blueprint for the future — one in which “there’s not going to be a Social Security and Medicare program.” That seems strikingly at odds with the campaign’s claim.

Second, in response to questions about whether Perry still believes his book’s assertion that repealing the 16th Amendment would be a good idea, his campaign issued a statement that conspicuously did not reaffirm his support for that position, and instead declared his support for more modest proposals. But then the campaign turned right around and claimed that the statement hadn’t distanced him from his book’s views on the 16th Amendment. So does Perry still think repealing the 16th Amendment is a workable option, or doesn’t he?

And third, the Perry campaign has now responded to his own book’s comparison of homosexuality and alcoholism with ... radio silence.

All this underscores that there isn’t much you can do about it when your controversial and extreme views are spelled out in black and white in books that boast your name in big letters on their covers.


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