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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 12:58 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

I was just reading an interesting synopsis of that here.

The point about Pawlenty not having the resources for the long haul is valid. I still like Huntsman as a dark horse.


It would be amazing if Huntsman actually won, as he's arguably the least conservative out of all of them.

Cycloptichorn
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 02:33 pm
The NYTimes reports that turnout in the NY 26th is quite large for a mere special election. No one I have found is speculating what that means.
The last poll was Hochul (D): 42%; Corwyn (R): 36%; Davis (I): 13%.
I see it as Hochul: 47%; Corwyn: 32% Davis: 20%.
I know someone who knows someone in Rochester.
Polls close at 9 pm ET.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 02:51 pm
@realjohnboy,
See here, RJB, for a story you might like:

http://able2know.org/topic/163583-22#post-4617925

Cycloptichorn
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revelette
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2011 08:04 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I don't really know any of these candidates, not really surprising to most folks I guess.

Looked up Huntsman after you and JPB posted about him.

I can see why he would appeal to moderates and independents.

On some issues he has let go of because of the present economy (those were his stated reasons), also his stance on gay rights are sort of ambiguous. The article below didn't say his views on foreign issues and things like that.

Bay Area native Jon Huntsman Jr. may run in 2012



cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2011 10:41 am
@revelette,
There are now 12 republicans in the run for president; I'm just wondering how many more will be throwing their hats in the ring. LOL

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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2011 04:21 pm
The good news for you is that I lost my internet connection for 24 hours. The bad news is I got it back.
Tomorrow.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2011 10:49 am

Romney, Palin lead in new GOP poll, Herman Cain not far behind
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2011 12:56 pm



The good news is that Obama is beatable and that fact is undeniable.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2011 05:09 pm
I have a poll from the end of April on the Presidential race. It might have been from Cook or Sabato. But it really doesn't matter as all pollsters say something to the effect that "If you believe in polls this early, you are an idiot."
The poll had Obama getting 247 electoral votes (safe, likely and leaning) vs 170 for a Republican. 111 electoral votes were listed in the "tossup" category.
Tossup states: Florida (29 votes), Ohio (18), NC (15), VA (13), Indiana (11), Colorado (9), Iowa (6), Nevada (6) and New Hampshire (4).
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2011 05:18 pm
@revelette,
I read an article about local boy, Huntsman. I may get a chance to talk to him...he lives a few miles away. His dad was a super grand poobah in the Mormon religious milieu... a local mayor, who quit rather abruptly after a council meeting by leaving a note that said something to the effect "me and the missus have been called to the field (Scotland) to work for the church. I quit." Huntsman was Utah governor, and recently stepped down from an Obama appointment as Amb to China. He's currently shaking hands in a northeastern state. I don't know jack **** about his views. Johnboy?

Edit - also, he dropped out of school, grew his hair and played the bongos for a few years... Wink
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2011 05:22 pm
@Lash,
From Revelette's link on Huntsman:

Huntsman, described by Time Magazine as the potential Republican 2012 presidential candidate "Democrats fear most," plans stops in Los Angeles today and Orange County Thursday. His California trip comes on the heels of a New Hampshire swing that created major media buzz about his exploratory presidential campaign.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/05/24/MNR61JK874.DTL#ixzz1NVGZP0KL
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 09:23 am
Lots of chatter in the last few days about Sarah Palin running after all. There was the "fire in the belly" thing, then buying a house in Arizona, then this movie ("The Undefeated" -- because she didn't lose in 2008, I guess), now a big bus tour. Karl Rove (via Sullivan) sez:

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"I think it's the emergence of a potential race. Look, I don't think she thinks the rules apply to her. She doesn't need to have the traditional trappings of a presidential campaign, no finance committee, she can raise the money, she doesn't need to go shake a lot of hands in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina. She gets to decide what the rules are that govern her campaign and go accordingly and politics is changing. Some people have done things that have been outside the norm of custom and have won."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/27/karl-rove-sarah-palin-_n_867938.html
sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 09:32 am
@sozobe,
Here's a general summary of upcoming announcements, from First Read:

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If this month was the 2012 presidential field stretching its legs, jogging in place and walking up to the starting line, next month is when the race really begins. Last night, we learned that Mitt Romney will formally announce his presidential campaign from New Hampshire this Thursday on June 2. Rick Santorum will do the same from southwestern Pennsylvania on June 6. Also in June, Michele Bachmann will announce her presidential decision from Waterloo, IA, where she was born. (World history buffs, though, might raise their eyebrows at that location.) And the month will bring us another GOP presidential debate, this one to take place in New Hampshire. It took us a while, but the 2012 presidential race is finally about to pick up speed.


http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/27/6729636-first-thoughts-off-and-running
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 04:12 pm
Since the days before he officially entered the 2012 Republican presidential nominating race last weekend, Herman Cain has been making stops in all the right conservative places, sharing his views about the current administrations and how he’d do things differently. It may be working. A Gallup poll released on Thursday showed that despite his low name recognition, the former Godfather Pizza CEO has more support among Republican voters than Tim Pawlenty, Michele Bachmann and John Huntsman. Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin and Ron Paul led the poll, but Cain followed former House Speaker Newt Gingrich by just one point.



That’s great news for the Cain campaign, but how likely is it that he could actually win the GOP nomination? Politico posed that very question to a number of politicians, pundits and analysts and pundits. Here’s what two of them had to say.



“Cain argues that he is unlike the others and not a career politician. In a time when voters are strongly dissatisfied with most politicians, if Cain can get his name out there, he may become a viable candidate. But he has his work cut out for him. It will be interesting to see if his candidacy can catch fire or will flame out,” said Dewey Clayton, a political scientist at the University of Louisville.



“His challenges, like most others, are gaining name recognition, raising the money and especially in his case, demonstrating an ability to understand and have “a plan” on foreign affairs and national defense,” said Fran Wendelboe, a former member of the New Hampshire House of Representatives, who believes no Republican has a lock yet. “Yes, he is being underestimated, can he win the nomination? Hmm, weren’t we asking ‘Barack who?’ four years ago? And how many pundits thought he didn’t have a chance against the Clinton machine? Stranger things have happened.”



The bulk of Cain’s support comes from the grassroots, a base that has helped propel former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to political and economic heights that surely she never imagined four years ago. But Cain has two serious strikes against him. First, there’s his race. Is America ready to elect two African-Americans in a row? Also, as he proudly claims, he’s a political outsider. With the country facing so many challenges, voters won’t be inclined to choose a candidate who’s never held any political office. That won’t stop Cain from trying, though, and one thing is certain: during the next several months he’ll keep us both entertained and intrigued.


http://www.bet.com/news/politics/2011/05/27/herman-cain-polls.html.html
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 04:17 pm



Palin & Giuliani Poll Strong, Herman Cain Rising
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 04:59 pm
Political pundit Nate Silver of 538 likes to play around with polls; often combining results to attempt to point out something he sees as interesting.
Today he talks about the Cain Phenomenon. He starts, using a Gallup poll, with responses to question (A) "Who would you prefer to see as the Repub candidate from this list?"
He moves on to {B} "Which of the people on this list have you heard of?"
He then divides (A) Candidate preference by {B} Name recognition to get [C] Preference adjusted for Name recognition.
Ready?
Cain ..................... (A) 8% {B} 33% [C] 24%
Romney ............... (A) 17% {B} 83% [C] 20%
Palin .................... (A) 15% {B} 96% [C] 16%
Pawlenty ............. (A) 6% {B} 45% [C] 13%
Paul .................... (A) 10% {B} 76% [C] 13%
Gingrich .............. (A) 9% {B} 84% [C] 11%
Johnson .............. (A) 2% {B} 20% [C] 10%
Bachmann ........... (A) 5% {B} 55% [C] 9%
Huntsman............ (A) 2% {B} 27% [C] 7%
Santorum ............ (A) 2% {B} 47% [C] 4%

As I understand it, putting it into a sentence, Cain at 8% ranks him as 5th in the race at the time of the poll and his name recognition puts him in 8th of 10. BUT, combining the two, 24% of those polled like what they hear from him. Higher then anyone else.
Compare that to, say, Gingrich.
Nate and his numbers can make your head spin. Or at least mine does. He, like Rasmussen and Sabato, caution against reading too much into their own analyses at this point.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 05:07 pm
@realjohnboy,
That still puts Palin in the top three. I think waterboy needs to learn about the current news on GOP politics and politicians.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 05:11 pm
Me thinks imposterboy gets a little chubby every time he thinks of Palin.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 05:13 pm
@realjohnboy,


This confirms what I have said about Palin... I don't think she is going to run.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 05:22 pm
@H2O MAN,
What does "chubby" mean in your context? Doesn't mean anything to anyone but yourself.

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Now, if I ever questioned whether Sarah Palin was running for president (and I did), I no longer do. First, while the rest of conservative America was fixated on presidential hopefuls at CPAC, Palin was busy hiring Michael Glassner as her new chief of staff for SarahPAC.

Glassner worked with Palin on her vice presidential campaign. His addition to SarahPAC suggests one thing to me – she’s running. As a caveat,a friend who is close to the Palin family had me convinced that Sarah wasn’t running because Todd didn’t want her to. Glassner’s addition cuts against this argument, as it was Todd who actually reached out to the new COS.

Second, let’s also not forget the whole ambition and addictive nature of running for president. James Carville said it best - running for president is like sex. Once you start, you don’t stop.

Finally, I would note that Sarah Palin loves the center – not the polical center, but being the center of attention. Santorum effectively chips away at her ultra-conservative base and creates real competition by throwing himself into the mix. Sarah, being competitive, wants to keep her fan club. As such, how can she not run?
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