The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

OOOH spurt learned a new word, and hes rolling it out for all ofus to see.Hismother must be so proud.

Why do you wanna beat-up Obama? Dont you think the Secret Service will catch you and severely bust your ass?

It is an interesting point. SOmetime the GOP may reluctantly hve to switch over to optimism so they dont look like theyre the driving force to keep the economy from a faster recovery.
Too bad spurt cant comprehend these more abstract issues, hes too busy picking his nose.

Formerman dreams of having the secret service to do thing to his ass ...
this is a dream best left in his little head and not shared in public.

My thanks to Realjohnboy and ci for attempting to get info on the “kinds of jobs” being created. I had made attempts to get information on that myself and was unsuccessful…I rather expected the info was not available.

I may be jaded, but I suspect if the news on the quality of the job creation were "good to excellent"—we would know about it loud and clear. As I mentioned earlier, my personal experience has people going back to work at pitiful salaries…jobs taken out of desperation—and certainly not jobs that can be thought of as being “decent paying jobs.” Their families are not out of dire straits...and many are working and still headed toward default or "poorhouse" conditions. They are working and moving DOWNWARD in society's structure.

Three comments made bear mention. They are (paraphrased):



All have more than their fair share of troubling aspects. “Real recovery” would involve jobs being created paying enough so that a family can be comfortable. We are a nation with “plenty” the likes of which no nation on planet Earth has ever before had. Everyone in our nation should have plenty (NOT equal, but plenty)…and certainly none in our nation should have not nearly enough.

Yet here we are with plenty of people having “not nearly enough”…and less and less having plenty.

We do not want to be “competitive with China and India” because that is code for “WE JUST HAVE TO LOWER OUR STANDARD OF LIVING SIGNIFICANTLY.”

Why would the most prosperous nation on the planet want to do that?

"The young" can make do with what they get...but the family unit cannot!

In any case, all the talk about “jobs being created” and “recovery” are, in many respects, wasted words. We do not know the nature of the jobs…and each of you had to cringe when listening to my comment about wages of 25 cents and 19 cents an hour, but that, in a sense, is what we are talking about if the jobs being created are lousy jobs--as I suspect most are. None of us can be happy with jobs being created that result in us significantly lowering our standard of living.

Too long…enough for now. I’ll come back to this.

Maybe there is no choice Frank. A pincer movement of the fingers of the hidden hand, not unlike that I have seen crude young ladies perform from time to time during festivities, between wanting a bargain and not wanting to be a bargain oneself.

The political task is to restrict the severity to bearable levels.

Obama's plan is to downgrade this nation in an effort to level the playing field and make everything
more fair by lowering the peoples standard of living significantly, you know, spreading the misery around.

What a shame that his plan isn't working! we must do all we can to encourage him in his endeavours!

Excellent point!

There may very well be no choice, Spendius…at least not as long as we insist on remaining within the parameters of the "work ethic" of the society that has developed. If we INSIST that a person has to “earn their living” (whatever that means) we MAY HAVE TO reduce our standard of living substantially.

I suggest it is possible to model society in a way that recognizes that “the need for human labor” has been minimized to the point where all must recognize that “paying substantial wages” for human labor MAKES NO SENSE in a capitalistic society.

We’ve got plenty of everything. Distribution is the problem…not production. The reduced need for human labor (which translates into: the reduced need to pay substantially for human labor) must be acknowledged in a way that puts an end to the notion that people must “earn a living.”

In any case, I was talking about what we would “want to have happen” in my comments. If we have no choice (and we may well have no choice)…wants really do not enter the picture.

It's working only because the dumbmasses are allowing it to work.

We must do everything in our power to stop Obama in his tracks.

WRONG!

Okay, let's discuss why you think it is wrong.

But the cost of labour is not the only difference between competitive economies. There is a difference regarding human rights and health and safety.

When our polticians raise such issues with other governments, as they usually do, what they mean is that these other governments should be loaded with the same overheads that we are.

It is not just wages.

I saw a film of a worn out oil supertanker being cut up by a few blokes in bare feet and loin cloths. It had been beached on the mud flats in Bangladesh at high water for the purpose. In the same film they showed workers living in barracks being assembled in platoons at dawn and marched to their workstations. They were putting together and packing some electronic gizmo or other which we buy by the million.

If you calculate the distribution cost per item of the cargo of one of those container ships on a 5000 mile journey I think you will find, for ordinary cargoes, it is something and nothing.

The following is a narrative taken from a 2008 Sunday morning televised "Meet The Press."
From Sunday's 07 Sept. 2008, 11:48:04 EST, Televised "Meet the Press" THE THEN Senator Obama was asked about his stance on the American Flag.
General Bill Ginn, USAF (ret.), asked Obama to explain WHY he doesn't follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.
The General stated to Obama that according to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171...
During rendition of the national anthem, when the flag is displayed, all present (except those in uniform) are expected to stand at attention, facing the flag, with the right hand over the heart. Or, at the very least, "Stand and Face It".
NOW GET THIS !!
'Senator'Obama replied:
"As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides....." "There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression...." "The anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air, and all that sort of thing."
(ARE YOU READY FOR THIS???)
Obama continued:, "The National Anthem should be 'swapped' for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song 'I'd Like To Teach the World To Sing.' If that were our anthem, then I might salute it. In my opinion, we should consider reinventing our National Anthem as well as 'redesign' our Flag to better offer our enemies hope and love. It's my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the level of acceptance to our Middle East Brethren. If we, as a Nation of warring people, conduct ourselves like the nations of Islam, where peace prevails - - - perhaps a state or period of mutual accord could exist between our governments ........"
"When I become President, I will seek a pact of agreement to end hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity, and a freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts . We as a Nation, have placed upon the nations of Islam, an unfair injustice, which is WHY my wife disrespects the Flag, and she and I have attended several flag burning ceremonies in the past."
"Of course now, I have found myself about to become the President of the United States and I have put my hatred aside. I will use my power to bring CHANGE to this Nation, and offer the people a new path. My wife and I look forward to becoming our Country's First black Family. Indeed, CHANGE is about to overwhelm the United States of America."
WHAAAAAAAT,is that???
Yes, you read it right.
I, for one, am speechless!!!

Dale Lindsborg , Washington Post

I cannot imagine YOU speechless!

As for the Star Spangled Banner...I am as patriotic as anybody else here; I love my country and all that stuff...and I think the song sucks.

I think there out to be a law...a constitutional amendment, actually, that makes it a federal offense to sing it in public. I refuse to watch it performed by any entertainer before a football game...or any sports event.

If that bothers you...or if Obama's take on it bothers you...you ought really to think about what being an American is all about.

Having the right to feel that way is more in line with being an American than castigating someone for having that feeling...although, as a decent American, I defend your right to be unAmerican.

Edited to change the word "law" to "offense."

re: H2 Oboy
It's an urban legend, asshole. Just another email hoax based on a right wing nutjob "satirical" column. He never said it. I see your gullibility meter is malfunctioning again.

Spendius...

...IT IS NOT JUST WAGES.

And with that said, to someone trying to support a family, it is a LOT about wages.

The safety and human rights issues ARE IMPORTANT THOUGH. I do not want to minimize that.

"Patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings."

Bob Dylan.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/stance.asp

He's a useless shite

Cycloptichorn

MJackoff, you douche bag - you and your ilk need to vent you frustrations at the creator of the so-called hoax... not me.