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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 05:42 pm
Meanwhile, there will be the Republican caucuses tomorrow in Nevada. Registered Republicans will gather at some 125 sites in the state in the morning.
There will be some organizing business followed by short speeches on behalf of candidates. Then, for the rest of the day, people will drift in and fill out paper ballots.
42 delegates will be awarded on a proportional basis.
Romney won 37% of the vote in 2008 and is projected to get 50% of the vote tomorrow in the state that has a large Mormon population. Gingrich is at 25% followed by Paul at 15% and Santorum at 8%. I think Paul could do a bit better.
Gingrich has run a campaign that is disorganized even by Newt standards. He failed to show up for an appearance with the popular governor, for example.
Obama carried Nevada in 2008 with 55% of the vote and won 6 electoral college votes. This time the state is considered to be a tossup. NV has the highest unemployment rate and highest foreclosure rate in the country. That could be an obstacle for Obama.
On the other hand NV has a very large Hispanic population with most of them having immigrated from Mexico within the past two generations. They will likely vote for Obama.
Results from NV will likely not be posted until midnight local time.
More than you wanted to know about Nevada, eh?
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 05:43 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
It seems the stock market has faith in the future of our economy.


But the reasons for that might be something to worry about.
JPB
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 05:44 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Quote:
It seems the stock market has faith in the future of our economy.


But the reasons for that might be something to worry about.


I couldn't agree more, spendi.
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 05:56 pm
The Dow closed today at its highest level since May 2008. Smile
Quote:
The New York Times
February 3, 2012
U.S. Jobs Report Gives Stocks a Lift
By CHRISTINE HAUSER

It was just what the stock market needed. When one of the most closely watched data reports showed a generally strong picture of the United States economy on Friday, stocks on Wall Street picked right up and surged throughout the day, sending the Dow to its best closing level since 2008.

The catalyst for the gains, which extended the strong start to 2012, was the government’s monthly snapshot of the jobs market, which showed some acceleration in the United States economy in January. Aside from the performance of the Dow, the markets responded with milestones of other sorts, with the broader market as measured by the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index pushing ahead by 6.94 percent for the year to date, its best such showing since the 13.97 percent gain in the similar period in 1987.

In addition, the Nasdaq composite index turned in its best close since December 2000, when the boom in Internet stocks was turning to bust.

With recent economic reports having already painted a picture of a slow economic recovery, the Labor Department report — a gain of 243,000 jobs in January, and the lowest unemployment rate since early 2009 — gave equities a bit more fuel for improving sentiment among investors.

David Joy, the chief market strategist with Ameriprise Financial, said the “tremendously robust” jobs report “reinforced the view that economic momentum is real and as a result it perhaps has some legs here.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/04/business/daily-stock-market-activity.html?_r=1&ref=business

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"Where are the jobs?" has been the question at the heart of the Republican case against Obama. Mitt Romney's campaign turns on the claim that his experience in the private sector taught him how to create new jobs. Obama, by contrast, has "failed" in that endeavor, he repeatedly says.

January's growth – a net of 243,000 new jobs created, the most in nine months and almost double what most economists had forecast – undermines that argument, both Democratic and Republican strategists agreed. The problem may not be fatal for the GOP, but if the growth continues through the spring and summer, "there's no way in the world that you can deny it helps Obama's case," said Whit Ayres, a Republican pollster...

The election-deciding question now is likely to be whether the economy does, in fact, sustain its current growth rate...

Republicans who insisted Obama take the blame for a poor economy may have a hard time convincing the public to deny him credit for an improving one.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-obama-jobs-report-analysis-20120203,0,5801792.story

If Romney persists in focusing on the jobs issue, he may destroy his own credibility if the numbers keep improving.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 06:11 pm
@JPB,
The stock market is synonymous with worry; or didn't you know? Most who have invested conservatively for the long-term have always won out.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 06:51 pm
Frank, I don't know whether this is relevant to your question about wages.
The BLS says that, in 2010, 60% of workers in the U.S. (or 73 million of us) were paid by the hour.
4.4 million were paid at or below minimum wage, with the young, not surprisingly, accounting for a disproportionate share of that. 20% of the 73 million were under 25 but they made up 50% of those making minimum wage.
I recall that, when there was debate about raising the minimum wage (which was done a few years ago) there was the claim that small businesses would be bankrupted. I remember saying how few workers would actually be affected.

On a personal note, I have run a chain of retail stores for decades and we always hired a few kids for summer jobs. We paid slightly above minimum wage. That program ended in about 2007 for a few reasons which I can explain if asked.















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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 08:29 pm
@cicerone imposter,
And for those whose retirement funds are invested in the market, and who saw their assets plummet a few years ago, the upward turn we are seeing now is very good news.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 08:43 pm
@firefly,
Yes it is! That's because when hiring trends continue to increase, it means there's a real recovery in the air by companies and investors. More jobs means more demand for goods and services, and more tax dollars for our governments.
jcboy
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 08:48 pm
Me thinks Romney's credibility is already in the crapper. Have you been listening to him backpedal on the "I'm not concerned about the poor" comment? He's pathetic.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 08:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
On the other hand, Tak, I was in the bank today. The teller was processing my transactions. The phone rang. A teller answered it and chirpily responded to questions about what the yield is today on CD's ranging from 1 to 5 years.
You know the numbers as well as I do.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 08:57 pm
@realjohnboy,
Who is so desperate to tie down their money in a CD that pays close to zero, and it's interest is also taxed. Not worth the time or effort.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 09:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I envisioned that the person on the other end of the call was an elderly, risk adverse person who bought a 5-yr CD in 2007. It is now maturing.
What interest rate did a 5 year CD yield in 2007? I could search for that, but I would bet you probably know.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 09:06 pm
@realjohnboy,
I don't offhand, but will look it up for posterity. Smile Give me a min or 2.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 09:08 pm
@realjohnboy,
my money says 5 or 6 times what it is today...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 09:12 pm
@realjohnboy,
This is what I found,
Quote:
The average range we have seen this year is between 5.25% - 5.50% across all terms.[\quote]
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 09:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Cool. The quote today was in the 1.5% to 1.75% range for 3-5 years.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 09:18 pm
@realjohnboy,
Yea, for a deposit of $10,000, you'll earn about $135 after taxes and 3 years; you'd lose more from inflation.
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 10:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Jobless Rate Falls to 8.3%, Altering Face of Campaign
February 3, 2012
By MICHAEL D. SHEAR

WASHINGTON — The burst of job growth in January gives President Obama a fresh — but tricky — opportunity to revise the grim economic narrative of his presidency while offering Mitt Romney a choice: embrace a new optimism or campaign against a sinking economy even as it shows signs of turning around.

The Labor Department reported on Friday that the unemployment rate had fallen all the way back to the level of President Obama’s first full month in office, to 8.3 percent, from a high of 10 percent in late 2009. Yet unemployment also remains higher than it has been for any presidential election since the Great Depression.

Those dueling realities — an improving economy that remains very weak — create serious risks for the top political advisers to President Obama and Mr. Romney as they begin to grapple with the impact of Friday’s report. The image of an overly optimistic president could feel discordant and disconnected to voters who are still struggling with unemployment and foreclosures. For Mr. Romney, the improving economy puts at risk his central message as the business executive who can fix a stalled economy...

Mr. Romney — the Republican front-runner, whom White House officials view as their likely opponent — also faces the danger of looking oddly out of step if he presses ahead, as he did on Friday, with his accusation that Mr. Obama had made the recession worse.

“This recovery has been slower than it should have been. People have been suffering for longer than they should have had to suffer,” Mr. Romney said, at a supply company in Sparks, Nev., before Saturday’s caucus in that state. “Will it get better? I think it’ll get better,” he added. “But this president has not helped the process. He’s hurt it.”

Mr. Romney’s aides offered few signals on Friday that he was preparing to abandon his line of attack. Top advisers said that any declaration of economic victory by Mr. Obama would be received poorly in places like Nevada, where unemployment remains above 13 percent.

Mr. Romney has based much of his campaign around attacks on Mr. Obama’s economic record and on the promise that, as someone who understands the private sector, Mr. Romney can do better.

When he announced his campaign at a farm in New Hampshire in June, he sounded many of the same overall themes that Bill Clinton did when running against George H. W. Bush in 1991: the president has failed, and somebody else deserves a chance.

Having beaten Newt Gingrich and his other rivals soundly in the Florida primary on Tuesday, Mr. Romney has returned to talking mostly about Mr. Obama.

Senior advisers to Mr. Romney said he would continue to argue that the economy should be far better than it is. Regardless of the economy, the advisers said, Mr. Obama will not be able to run away from criticism about the size of the federal government and the nation’s soaring debt.

“Voters remain worried that this slow rate of economic growth could become the new normal with Obama at the helm,” said Kevin Madden, an adviser to Mr. Romney. “Also, President Obama’s spending policies have racked up record deficits, and his big government regulatory approach has stunted growth in the business sector.”

Mr. Romney may have little choice but to stick with Plan A. Events could still change between now and November, but most Americans continue to hold generally positive views of Mr. Obama personally. The president has also had several big foreign policy successes, including the killing of Osama bin Laden.

White House officials say the president is prepared to counter the attacks from Mr. Romney and Capitol Hill with the evidence of a slow but sustained turnaround that has added nearly as many jobs in the last two years as were lost in the first few months of Mr. Obama’s administration.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/04/us/politics/improved-job-picture-poses-risks-to-obama-and-romney.html

I think there is a real risk for Romney if he continues to assert that the President has hurt the process of recovery while the economy continues to show signs of improvement.



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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 11:21 pm
@firefly,
Willard has to lambast Obama even as the media pronounces good news month after month during the Great Recession recovery. The stock market is the highest in more than three years, and Willard's message of "Obama is a failure" smells like dead fish.

He claims he has created over 100,000 jobs, but factcheck questions his claim, and so do I. How does somebody who buys and sells companies like most people buy and sell cars, employ workers? It seems the CEO's of the company is responsible for hiring and firing decisions, with the assistance of the personnel department who must select workers from all the applications they might receive. Willard is telling us he did all this by himself? He "created" all those jobs, or was it the decision of the CEO's, and the workers already working?

He lacks detail on how he will "create" jobs as president.

H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 4 Feb, 2012 04:10 am
@cicerone imposter,


Obama deserves to be lambasted at every single opportunity that presents itself.
 

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