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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 01:54 pm
@Questioner,
The US elections were a circus before Rosanne entered the scene. Look who's running in the conservative circus, and winning?
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 02:19 pm
@Questioner,
Quote:
are committed to ending the influence of corporate money on politics and elections.....


Good luck with that.

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"We have a pair of candidates who are running for working Americans," McLarty said.


That's great my love. Goodbye and thank you. We will call you sometime.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 02:53 pm
@Thomas,
Glad you explained the discrepancy. I sure as hell aint smart enough to have caught it.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 02:54 pm
@RABEL222,
It was in a clump toward the bottom of the page.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 02:58 pm
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Payrolls Jump Casts Doubt on Fed Rate Pledge
By Bob Willis
Feb 3, 2012

The U.S. jobless rate unexpectedly fell in January to the lowest in three years as payrolls climbed more than forecast, casting doubt on the Federal Reserve’s plan to keep interest rates low until late 2014.

The unemployment rate dropped to 8.3 percent, the lowest since February 2009, Labor Department figures showed today in Washington. The 243,000 increase in jobs was the biggest in nine months and exceeded the most optimistic forecast in a Bloomberg News survey. Service industries grew by the most in a year, according to a separate report.

“We’ve reached an important threshold here,” said Chris Rupkey, chief financial economist at Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi UFJ Ltd. in New York. “The recovery is for real.”


Stocks and bond yields jumped on optimism the economy will weather the European debt crisis as an improving labor market fuels household spending. The data, which showed gains from factories to retailers, may boost President Barack Obama’s re- election bid and come a week after Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke said unemployment would be slow to decline.

The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index rose 1.4 percent to 1,344.0 at 12:45 p.m. in New York, extending the best start to the year since 1989. The yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note climbed to 1.94 percent from 1.82 percent late yesterday.

Survey of Economists

The median projection in the Bloomberg survey called for payrolls to rise by 140,000. Estimates of the 89 economists ranged from increases of 95,000 to 225,000. Revisions added a total of 60,000 jobs to payrolls in November and December.

“The payroll gains we’re seeing in this report are consistent with significant improvement in consumer spending,” said Carl Riccadonna, a senior U.S. economist at Deutsche Bank Securities Inc. in New York. “If we hold at these levels, it will change a lot of expectations for economic growth, the labor market recovery, inflation and the Fed’s policy response.”

Sustained increases of around 200,000 jobs a month are needed to bring the unemployment rate down one percentage point over a year, according to Stephen Stanley, chief economist at Pierpont Securities LLC in Stamford, Connecticut.

Obama used today’s report to push lawmakers for an extension of the payroll-tax cut for workers and unemployment benefits.

“The recovery is speeding up,” Obama said at a fire station in Arlington, Virginia. “And we’ve got to do everything in our power to keep it going.” ,,,

Gains in U.S. employment last month were broad-based, including manufacturing, construction, temporary help agencies, accounting firms, restaurants and retailers...

The unemployment rate, derived from a separate survey of households, was forecast to stay at 8.5 percent, according to the survey median. The drop in the jobless rate reflected a 381,000 decrease in unemployment at the same time 250,000 Americans entered the labor force.

Private payrolls, which exclude government agencies, rose 257,000 in January after a revised gain of 220,000 the prior month, marking the biggest back-to-back gain since March-April. It was projected to climb by 160,000.

Employment at service-providers increased 162,000, the most in four months, reflecting faster job gains in retail, transportation and leisure and hospitality...

The number of unemployed Americans dropped to 12.8 million, the lowest since January 2009, from 13.1 million in December.

read the rest at...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-03/payrolls-in-u-s-jumped-243-000-in-january-unemployment-rate-drops-to-8-3-.html

There is something perverse when the Republicans are rooting against improvements in the economy just so they can defeat Obama.

The current economic news is good. Everyone should be happy about that.

The Republicans, lacking anything they could pounce on to attack, could only mutter, "Things could be better," earlier today, with no positive reaction to the improvements in the recovery.

That "things could be better" does not detract from the accomplishments of the Obama administration, nor will it help Romney to obscure those accomplishments, because it certainly does not mean that things won't continue to get even better with Obama in office for a second term. There are limits to how successfully the Republicans can try to twist good news into bad, which seemed to be all that they were doing this morning.
The current economic news is good, things are improving, and the Republicans, particularly Romney, are going to have to deal with that reality.

RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 03:02 pm
@Frank Apisa,
This would be a good thing because at this point a majority of citizens would have no reason to subscribe to the capitalist theory and start shooting the 1% who do.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 03:08 pm
@firefly,
This needs to be repeated for the conservatives on these threads.

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The unemployment rate dropped to 8.3 percent, the lowest since February 2009, Labor Department figures showed today in Washington. The 243,000 increase in jobs was the biggest in nine months and exceeded the most optimistic forecast in a Bloomberg News survey. Service industries grew by the most in a year, according to a separate report.


Willard talks about Obama failing in job creation, and says he's going to help the middle class, but the detail is missing on his promise. Talk is cheap; where's the detail on how he's going to create middle class jobs? Running Bain Capital is not the same as running a country. From my understanding of what transpired at Bains, Willard lost jobs and benefits
for thousands of workers.

Quote:
FactCheck.org

Highlight:

"It's true that the private equity firm Bain Capital, which Romney headed from 1984 to 1999, invested in many companies that went on to add jobs. But there's no thorough count of the jobs gained and lost in all the companies in which Bain invested. And it's highly debatable whether Bain, and Romney, deserve credit for all of the jobs created, particularly when there were other investors, executives who launched or ran the companies, and new owners in later years."

Stats:
• Romney's campaign says just three Bain companies have created 100,000 jobs: Staples (89,000), Sports Authority (15,000) and Domino's (7,900 jobs added since 1999). That's 111,900 jobs.
• Companies that lost jobs include American Pad & Paper (385), Dade International (1,900), DDi Corp. (2,100), Clear Channel Communications (2,500) and KB Toys (3,400). That's 10,285 jobs. (FactCheck.org rounded up the numbers from POLITICO and the New York Times.)

Read the story: Romney's shaky jobs claim


My Note: So, it wasn't the executives running those companies that created those jobs, but Willard did? How does one person run the personnel departments of all those companies? Never been done as far as I know.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 03:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
From the NYT:
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U.S. Economy Added 243,000 Jobs in January; Unemployment Rate Is 8.3%

Measured by both the unemployment rate and the number of jobless it was the strongest signal yet that a recovery was spreading to the jobs market.


Another truism that needs to be repeated:
Rachel Maddow said, "when the middle class does better, everybody does better, including the rich."
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 03:27 pm
@RABEL222,
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This would be a good thing because at this point a majority of citizens would have no reason to subscribe to the capitalist theory and start shooting the 1% who do.



That is one way of looking at it, Rabel.

My point was that all this back and forth about jobs, growth, percentages, etc...is really meaningless unless the jobs being created are decent paying jobs.

We have people who want to raise a family. Back in the 1950's, there usually was just one "bread winner"...who worked 40 hours per week and earned enough to actually support a family. Housing, food, medical costs, education, the reasonable niceties of middle class living...some entertainment...occasional vacations (even if just down to the shore)...and a few bucks stashed away for retirement.

Are those kinds of jobs being created?

If not...what difference does it make that jobs are being created.

As I noted, we could get everyone working if they would work for 10 cents an hour. I would be a job creator in that market. Nancy's Honey Do list would never have an item left standing for several days...and I would spend more time of the computer. Probably even at 25 cents an hour I would be a job creator.

What jobs are being created...and will we have enough decent paying jobs (paying enough to raise a family) for everyone who needs and wants one?

By the way, shooting the 1% would not be a good idea. Like it or not, many truly are job creators...as you and I would be if people would only settle for 10 cents an hour.
Questioner
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 03:36 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

By the way, shooting the 1% would not be a good idea. Like it or not, many truly are job creators...as you and I would be if people would only settle for 10 cents an hour.


Bah, shoot the bastards. They're only creating jobs so that they can milk us for the interest on more crap loans and poor investment recommendations.

If nothing else, pull the toenails off the CEO's of the big banks that were largely responsible for the sub-prime mortgage debacle.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 04:02 pm
@firefly,
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The current economic news is good, things are improving, and the Republicans, particularly Romney, are going to have to deal with that reality.


I imagine Mr Romney's investments will be better placed with things improving than any of us are likely to be; including Mr Obama who I understand is having to make do on a measly $400 grand and paying tax at 30 odd % and is being constantly woken up in the middle of the night with news of the latest dramatic incident.

I could see Mr Romney voting for Mr Obama and concentrating on Republican majorities in Congress.



cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 04:11 pm
@spendius,
This one's for you, spendi.

Quote:
Another truism that needs to be repeated:
Rachel Maddow said, "when the middle class does better, everybody does better, including the rich."
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 04:15 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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As I noted, we could get everyone working if they would work for 10 cents an hour.


But that is too extreme Frank. We could squeeze the ladies out of the workforce by explaining to them how unladylike work is for such delicate and sensitive creatures. Those ladies in Media who persuaded them all to want to work because they did are not doing the sort of work their dupes are called upon to do.

Men's wages would soar because labour would be competitive again and thus show that working mothers and wives are actually working for nothing. And men could come home in the evening to steak and kidney pie with dumplings and gravy, chips and 2 veg set out on a starched table cloth and jam roly-poly and runny custard and then rest himself up for the morrow reading the paper and watching the game in his carpet slippers.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 04:45 pm
The whole discussion of today's employment should be on the "Where Is The Economy Headed" thread, but it landed here instead.
I, like Thomas and a few others, actually wade through some of the data.
U3 is the stat watched by the media. Unemployment stood at 9.1% of the civilian labor in Jan 2011 and is down to 8.3% in Jan 2012.
U5 adds in those people who are discouraged and no longer seeking work. It has fallen from 10.7% in Jan 2011 to 9.9% in Jan 2012.
U6, which is the number I tend to follow, drops the discouraged workers but adds in those who have work but not the number of hours they would like:
16.1% in Jan 2011 and 15.1% in Jan 2012.
Unemployment by age is interesting, I think, as a percentage of the civilian labor population:
18-19 (24.1% in Jan 2011 vs 20.5% in Jan 2011); 20-24 (15.1% vs 13.3%); 25-34 (9.3% vs 9.0); 35-44 (7.4% vs 6.8%); 45-54 (7.2% vs 64%);
55+ (6.7% vs 5.5%).
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 04:58 pm
@realjohnboy,
rjb, I think the unemployment by age group is significant. To repeat,
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Unemployment by age is interesting, I think, as a percentage of the civilian labor population:
18-19 (24.1% in Jan 2011 vs 20.5% in Jan 2011); 20-24 (15.1% vs 13.3%); 25-34 (9.3% vs 9.0); 35-44 (7.4% vs 6.8%); 45-54 (7.2% vs 64%);
55+ (6.7% vs 5.5%).


The 55+ age group is still struggling, but the 1.2% reduction in unemployment in this age group I believe is pretty significant to the recovery.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 05:02 pm
@realjohnboy,
Do you or ci have any info on the quality of the jobs being created?

From the personal contacts I have...almost every long-term unemployed person I know has either given up and dropped out of the work force by no longer looking...or has taken a job at a HUGELY reduced salary.

Any info?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 05:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
ci...same question as above.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 05:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Joblessness drops 4 percent for recent vets
By Derek Turner
February 3, 2012

WASHINGTON — Veteran unemployment dropped across the board in January, with those who served in recent wars seeing the sharpest decline, down from 13.1 percent in December to 9.1 percent.

That represents the lowest jobless rate for post-9/11 veterans since December 2009.

Overall, 7.5 percent of former servicemembers are jobless, a small decrease from 7.7 percent in December.

The Obama administration has in recent months pushed a series of initiatives focusing on finding jobs for veterans fresh out of the service and on Thursday officials offered details of a new veterans job corps initiative to employ thousands of servicemembers as police officers, firefighters and park rangers.

Monthly figures released Friday by the Bureau of Labor and Statistics indicate that 127,000 more post-9/11 veterans were employed in January than in December, and 220,000 more than were employed in January 2011.

The overall U.S. unemployment rate in January hit a three-year low of 8.3 percent.
http://www.stripes.com/blogs/the-ruptured-duck/the-ruptured-duck-1.160117/joblessness-drops-4-percent-for-recent-vets-1.167594


The drop in the unemployment numbers for recent veterans seems directly related to initiatives of the Obama administration.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 05:19 pm
@Frank Apisa,
The Bureau of Labor Statistics does not seem to go into the rates of pay. I went to the Labor Department itself (of which BLS is a part) and it looked from the index that there might be something there. But it is not in a format I can access.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2012 05:36 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank, I personally don't have that info, but can only rely on the stats provided by our govt. The trend in the reduction in our unemployment rolls whether full time or part time definitely helps our over-all economy.

I'm pretty certain that pay scales are much lower today compared to 2007-2008, but not all is negative with this trend, because it makes our economy more competitive with low wage countries like China and India. When the world economy is suffering, we can't expect that our salaries and wages will increase much faster to remain competitive in the world marketplace.

Under all the problems of the Euro countries, and the depressed markets for China, I believe the current US economy is slowly recovering from the Great Recession. It seems the stock market has faith in the future of our economy.
 

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