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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 10:21 am
@rosborne979,
Quote:
LAS VEGAS — Real estate mogul and reality show star Donald Trump intends to endorse Newt Gingrich's GOP presidential bid, according to a source close to Gingrich's campaign.

Trump is set to announce his support Thursday in Las Vegas, where Gingrich is campaigning in advance of Nevada's Republican caucuses on Saturday.

Trump's backing would bring the former House speaker a blitz of media attention heading into the contest and following his defeat in Florida.


http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/ap-source-trump-intends-1327722.html

So, we should know sometime today if it's true or not.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 10:22 am
@sozobe,
sozobe wrote:
Romney's unfavorable rating is going upandupandup....
HOORAAAAAYYYYY!!!!!





David
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 10:23 am
@sozobe,
I don't think it'd be that strange. Palin and Trump have a lot in common -- they want to be the scrappy, anti-establishment Tea Party people. Gingrich is the scrappy, anti-establishment Tea Party candidate. (I know! It's ridiculous. Gingrich, anti-establishment?? But there ya go.)
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 10:28 am
@sozobe,
sozobe wrote:
I don't think it'd be that strange. Palin and Trump have a lot in common -- they want to be the scrappy, anti-establishment Tea Party people. Gingrich is the scrappy, anti-establishment Tea Party candidate. (I know! It's ridiculous. Gingrich, anti-establishment?? But there ya go.)
Is Trump a Tea Party guy??
I don't think so.





David
sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 10:30 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Asked if he considered himself part of tea party, Trump said, "I think so. I'm very proud of some of the ideas they put forth. They want to stop this ridiculous, absolutely killer spending that's going on. What's going on in this country — the way we're spending money like drunken sailors — we are absolutely, we're going to destroy our own freedom."


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2011/04/trump-on-the-today-show-im-with-the-tea-party.html
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 10:37 am
@sozobe,
sozobe wrote:
Quote:
Asked if he considered himself part of tea party, Trump said, "I think so. I'm very proud of some of the ideas they put forth. They want to stop this ridiculous, absolutely killer spending that's going on. What's going on in this country — the way we're spending money like drunken sailors — we are absolutely, we're going to destroy our own freedom."


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2011/04/trump-on-the-today-show-im-with-the-tea-party.html
I see; thank u, Sozobe.
He may have done that in support of his intended presidential run.
Trump is obviously good at running his business and making money,
but he has not come across as much of a philospher; not much of a high abstract thinker.

The Tea Party movement was based upon defense of the Originalist American philosophy of personal freedom.





David
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 10:48 am
http://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/SWISS-MITT.jpg

Cycloptichorn
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JPB
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 10:51 am
@sozobe,
Gingrich = anti-establishment in his own mind because the establishment threw him under the bus.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 10:52 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
His base is already deeply suspicious of him, could he survive a tack to the center without totally alienating them?

Once he gets the nomination, he can safely ignore the die-hard Republicans. There's no way in Hell they're voting for Obama, anyway.
sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 10:54 am
@DrewDad,
There's still the enthusiasm factor, though.

He needs the base to have neighborhood parties, drive people to the polls, staff the phones. If they're merely "eh, if we must," he might get their vote but not all that other stuff.

So he can't ignore them all the way.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 10:54 am
@JPB,
Yep.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 10:55 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

A REAL mathematician knows and says that 2 + 2 = 4.

A REAL mathematician knows that 2+2 = 10 (base 4) and 2+2 = 11 (base 3)

That's the problem with so many conservatives; they lack the ability to see possibilities other than those right under their noses.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 10:59 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
His base is already deeply suspicious of him, could he survive a tack to the center without totally alienating them?

Once he gets the nomination, he can safely ignore the die-hard Republicans. There's no way in Hell they're voting for Obama, anyway.


This is true, but - will they come out to vote at all? It's going to be very, very close in some of the swing states, if our current polling is any guide; can Romney afford to have thousands of 'base' Republicans not vote? Not donate money or make phone calls or knock on doors?

I doubt it.

Cycloptichorn
JPB
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 11:03 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Or have an independent Newt running around pulling even small numbers from the TP folks?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 11:06 am
@JPB,
JPB wrote:
Or have an independent Newt running around pulling even small numbers from the TP folks?
There 'd be no point in doing that.
He 's intelligent; he knows that.





David
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JPB
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 11:07 am
I heard an interesting discussion the other day about within party contestants not helping the eventual nominee, particularly when the incumbent is running for a second term. The gist is that they only have to wait four years for another shot vs eight if their party gets in.
Questioner
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 11:10 am
@JPB,
How often do we see repeat contestants though? Other than the occasional Perot? Not sure how valid that is, but an interesting and believable tidbit.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 11:16 am
@Questioner,
Actually, "repeat contestants" are pretty common. For example, Ronald Reagan lost the primary and the nomination to Gerald Ford in 1976, and then came back in 1980. The "smart money" at the beginning was on George Bush, but then Reagan surged in the primaries and took the nomination away from Bush. John McCain campaigned for the Republican nomination in 2000, but lost to the younger George Bush, and then cam back in 2008 to win the Republican nomination. There are those examples without even going very deep into history.
sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 11:18 am
@Setanta,
Not to mention Willard himself!

(Lost the primary and nomination to John McCain in 2008, back for another round now.)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 11:20 am
@Setanta,
Also, John McCain was a changed man from 2000 to 2008. John became wishy-washy in 2008, and that lost him votes.
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