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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
Questioner
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 08:49 am
@H2O MAN,
Well he's handing out Republican BS Decoder rings. Couldn't resist.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 09:02 am
@Questioner,


I understand the super secret liberal denial group hand shake involves a circle of jerks.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 09:05 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
He said he is really concerned about the huge group in the middle, the heart of America because that's the group that suffers the most under Obama's rule.


What he means is the group, not specifying how huge, where the elections are decided and which is having heart problems with Mr Obama and he's the man to alleviate the suffering. As if? Anybody who thinks that should go see a specialist. Suffering has been on the increase since they stopped the Luddites boozing and Morris Dancing.

The rich and the poor are insignificant. Their votes are determined.

And the "huge" group has learned how to play the game. Mood swings, surges, troughs, back from the dead, down from the heights, neck and neck, so well that the candidates are a bit like puppets.

Which is why the "huge" group is responsible for what happens: the suffering included.

*Max Beloff said (1959) that the President signed 600 documents per day. Is that true? Was it true I mean? Now I suppose he, or she, has one of those machines that do authentic signatures. Except for certain occasions of a ritualistic nature. Like when a shaman puts a good luck charm on a fishing boat once a year. Flourishing fountain pen for a magic wand.

No! That's no good. The shaman puts the good luck fluence on the boat when it is first launched. Once a year implies that his charm fades and no self-respecting shaman would admit that. He could end up being called upon every trip otherwise. Or, worse, having to go on each trip.





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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 09:08 am
@ehBeth,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

I cawt a glimpse of something of a disturbance affecting Romney in last nite's news.
ehBeth wrote:
Hi David. What are your preferred news sources?
for the most part: the TV news networks





David
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Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 09:14 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
It shows that Newt is a REAL AMERICAN, not any liberal.

Thanks for reminding me that I shouldn't petition the INS for American citizenship. I should petition it for fake-American citizenship because I'm a liberal. Will they give me a fake American passport? Can I pay my taxes in fake-American dollars? Life is so complicated when you are not a real American!
parados
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 09:28 am
@Thomas,
We aren't fake Americans Thomas.

We are UN-real!!
sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 09:28 am
Romney's unfavorable rating is going upandupandup....

http://dailydish.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20168e68eec66970c-550wi
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 09:32 am
@parados,

More to the point - you are UN-reliable!!
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Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 09:38 am
@sozobe,
An disapproved-of Romney is certainly good news for Obama. At Obama's current approval ratings, Obama won't be able to get himself on his own strength. He'll need weak opponents.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 09:42 am
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:

At Obama's current approval ratings, Obama won't
be able to get himself on his own strength.
He'll need weak opponents.


Sucks to be him!
sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 09:43 am
@H2O MAN,
Sucks a little more to be Romney. (Or Gingrich -- currently 54.4 unfavorable, 25.7 favorable.)
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 09:46 am
@Thomas,
Especially, that trend line is good.

Obama is a known quantity, while voters are still getting to know Romney. They seem to not like what they see very much.

Probably the unfavorables will come down a bit if/ when Romney becomes the nominee and people resign themselves to voting for him even if they don't like him. But how high will it go first?
engineer
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 09:49 am
@sozobe,
Everyone is still smarting from the bare-knuckles Florida race. Mitt will go presidential from here on out and everyone will forget all the Florida stuff.
sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 09:52 am
@engineer,
I dunno. Gingrich is still getting a lot of play in a lot of quarters, and things like that NRA speech can keep hope alive until Super Tuesday, where he may draw some blood.

Plus Trump is about to endorse him, evidently. Not worth a lot, but something else to keep Gingrich around and in the public eye.

I don't think he's going to win the nomination, but I don't think he's quite ignorable yet either.

Plus there's the question of whether Romney has the skills to "go presidential." I think the "I'm not concerned about poor people" gaffe (on top of others) is hurting Romney, too. That was something he said after the Florida primary, an unforced error.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 09:55 am
@sozobe,
sozobe wrote:



Obama is a known quantity...


Yes, America knows full well that the Obama presidency is an epic failure.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 10:00 am
@sozobe,
sozobe wrote:

Especially, that trend line is good.

Obama is a known quantity, while voters are still getting to know Romney. They seem to not like what they see very much.

Probably the unfavorables will come down a bit if/ when Romney becomes the nominee and people resign themselves to voting for him even if they don't like him. But how high will it go first?


Favorables are a funny thing - they are hard to raise and easy to drop. Romney is stuck on this one, in that he will have to do some serious pandering to SOMEONE in order to move his ratings; but who? His base is already deeply suspicious of him, could he survive a tack to the center without totally alienating them?

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 10:12 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I don't think Willard has much whiggle room, because he's already spouted his positions on most of the important stuff. Newt helped him do that, and most conservatives see him as a moderate and not conservative.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 10:13 am
@sozobe,
sozobe wrote:
Plus Trump is about to endorse him, evidently. Not worth a lot, but something else to keep Gingrich around and in the public eye.
Are you sure he isn't going to endorse Romney. He likes to associate himself with winners.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 10:18 am
@rosborne979,
Quote:
Quote:
sozobe wrote:
Plus Trump is about to endorse him, evidently. Not worth a lot, but something else to keep Gingrich around and in the public eye.

Are you sure he isn't going to endorse Romney. He likes to associate himself with winners.



I thought that same thing, Rosborne. Very strange if he actually does come out for Gingrich...although red-meat Gingrich is more his style. I thought Trump would just shut the hell up.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2012 10:19 am
@Thomas,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
It shows that Newt is a REAL AMERICAN, not any liberal.
Lemme try to express the point this way, Thomas; (may I call u Tom, for brevity?)

A REAL mathematician knows and says that 2 + 2 = 4.
He does NOT deviate in any direction from that concept.
If a man chooses to be liberal about the principles of mathematics,
he may say that 2 + 2 = 4.3 and defend his position
with mindless emotion, yelling "reactionary bigot" if he is challenged.

(This is not to imply that U have misconducted yourself that way.
I have always known u to be rational in your posts.)

Conservatism and liberalism have to do
with DEVIATION from a designated standard.

The essence of liberalism is deviation from SOMETHING,
a partial rejection of something, inconsistent with its original meaning.
For instance, if a boy is sent by his mother to the store with a
shopping list of 10 items and he decides not to buy 3 of them,
he is being LIBERAL, as to that list, because he DEVIATED from it
by acting inconsistently with his mother's original meaning.
If he applies some of the money to the purchase of candy of his choice,
instead of his mother's choice of food, he is being liberal,
in distorting the original intendment of the shopping list.

When I spell fonetically, I am being LIBERAL as to paradigmatic spelling, by deviating from it.
The innermost essence of liberalism is INCONSISTENCY with some designated criterion.

The Founders of this Republic were liberal to the extent
that thay DEVIATED from and rejected the Divine Right of English Kings.



Conservative means keeping rigidly unbending in the enforcement of a rule,
or law, or agreement or some paradigm; accordingly, conservatives conserve that rule
or agreement or criterion (e.g., a common style of dress, or style of art, or interpretation of a contract).

Liberal means deviating from some rule, or law,
or agreement or some paradigm, and not taking it too seriously.
A man is LIBERAL to the extent that he is deviant, errant, or inconsistent with some rule.

For instance,
if men are playing poker n one rakes in the pot
alleging that he has a flush, when he has 4 clubs and a spade,
and when challenged on this behavior, he declares
the liberal motto: " hay, that 's CLOSE ENUF; don 't be
too technical; don 't split hairs; just don t be a ball buster, OK ?
I had a fight with my cousin, yesterday I got a flat tire,
I belong to a minority group and my left foot stinks, so gimme a break n deal the cards."

Hence, he advocates the position that logic shoud be SUBORDINATED to emotion
and that thay shoud take a LIBERAL VU of the rules of poker because his sob story OUTRANKS
the technical rules requiring 5 cards of 1 suit for a flush.

Liberal = UNFAITHFUL to a concept or to an agreement.

"Conservative" means ORTHODOX.
"Conservative" means non-deviant, rigidly adhering to the criterion.


Without having deviated from something no one can be liberal
because the essence of liberalism is turning away from something.

For instance, if u attend a formal banquet in a black tuxedo
with red sneakers, u deviate from the paradigm of formal dress,
thereby taking a liberal vu thereof. If u attend it in your underwear,
then u take a MORE LIBERAL interpretation of that paradigm.
If u attend it naked, then u apply a radical interpretation
( "from the root" ) of that paradigm.

Whether liberalism is good or bad
depends upon WHAT the liberal is veering away from.
Like when Boris Yeltsin veered away from communism, that was a GOOD thing.
When Deputy Fuhrer Rudolf Hess flew to Scotland in 1941, he was a liberal Nazi,
because he was deviating from Hitler’s war policy.

Liberalism includes ANY kind of deviation,
in any direction of 360 degrees of arc + up n down.

There is no logical semantic constriction on liberalism
that it can only exist in the direction of collectivist-authoritarianism a/k/a socialism.
Liberalism can be in the opposite direction or in any direction,
so long as it is deviant.

Barry Goldwater was a conservative BECAUSE his philosophy did NOT deviate
from the pro-freedom philosophy of the Founders of this Republic as set forth in the Constitution.

Barry Goldwater was a conservative BECAUSE his philosophy was rigidly faithful
to the US Constitution (which is the criterion).

Have my re-iterated repetitions been sufficiently redundant ?



Thomas wrote:
Thanks for reminding me that I shouldn't petition the INS for American citizenship.
I should petition it for fake-American citizenship because I'm a liberal.
Maybe I 'm rong
( I 've never been involved in this )
but I was under the impression that u petition a federal court to grant u citizenship.



Thomas wrote:
Will they give me a fake American passport?
Well, maybe if thay just twist it, it'll be OK.



Thomas wrote:
Can I pay my taxes in fake-American dollars?
Yeah, but it can be a little risky.
U might get dragged to a part of America that u don't wanna BE for a few years.



Thomas wrote:
Life is so complicated when you are not a real American!
Yeah! Come over from the Dark Side and join us!





David
 

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