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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2012 06:09 am
@H2O MAN,
Is this the end of Newt? Mamma say it aint so?
Ill miss the pudgy little ****.
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JPB
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2012 06:15 am
@farmerman,
No way, not as long as he's still got a shot at Super Tuesday and he's still got funding.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2012 06:29 am
@JPB,
Or he doesnt just implode on hizzown. Newt is a treasure and after this is all over we should give him a deserved big hand for all his help in reminding AMerica how scary the alternatives are Wink
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2012 07:45 am


I think Newt will stay in, but I don't think it will change the final outcome.

Conservatives will unite in support of Daddy Warbucks Romney and defeat Obama.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2012 09:02 am
@H2O MAN,
I'm still hopeful that American conservatives will now (or soonish) realize that Romney (and the Republican party) does not/can not represent them and make a more concerted effort to develop a truly conservative party.
Questioner
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2012 09:08 am
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

I'm still hopeful that American conservatives will now (or soonish) realize that Romney (and the Republican party) does not/can not represent them and make a more concerted effort to develop a truly conservative party.


It's all they can do these days to unite on a target(individual) less than 1 year down the road. This is VERY typical of GOP foresight, I wouldn't count on them coming up with anything like a real 4 - 8 year plan.

Likewise, I believe The Tea Party is the best they can come up with for a truly 'conservative' party, and it's so ineffectual with the way our politics run that it will die out under the weight of it's own ego within another 2 terms at most.

What we actually 'need' is for people in this country to stop being so goddamned hostile towards anyone that doesn't share their EXACT viewpoints, and work towards forming a party that will actually work for the country and the people rather than their own re-election bids.

Pipe dream.
JPB
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2012 09:26 am
@Questioner,
What we need is to eliminate political parties whose main goal is a power play on behalf of the party. It drive me nuts that folks at the RNC and DNC (who aren't elected by the people) get to determine what the party line and, hence, the voting agenda of the membership will be. We also need term limits and serious campaign finance reform, both of which I'm supporting at my state level and pushing for Constitutional Amendments driven by the state.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2012 09:49 am
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

What we need is to eliminate political parties whose main goal is a power play on behalf of the party. It drive me nuts that folks at the RNC and DNC (who aren't elected by the people) get to determine what the party line and, hence, the voting agenda of the membership will be. We also need term limits and serious campaign finance reform, both of which I'm supporting at my state level and pushing for Constitutional Amendments driven by the state.


The RNC and DNC determine the voting agenda for their membership? I don't believe this is actually true.

You're right about term limits and campaign finance reform, though. Good luck with the Constitutional amendment thing...

Cycloptichorn
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2012 10:04 am
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

What we need is to eliminate political parties whose main goal is a power play on behalf of the party. It drive me nuts that folks at the RNC and DNC (who aren't elected by the people) get to determine what the party line and, hence, the voting agenda of the membership will be. We also need term limits and serious campaign finance reform, both of which I'm supporting at my state level and pushing for Constitutional Amendments driven by the state.


What will repace them? The goal of all political parties, movements, or associations -0r whatever you choose to call them - is political power. That's how democracy works, and I am not aware of any working democracy anywhere that is entirely (or even mostly) free of such factionalism.

Everyone appears to want "campaign finance reform" at least theoretically or in principle. However very few such advocates really favor the "reform" of campaign financing by organizations they favor. Environmentalists certainly don't wish various "green" advocacy groups to be silenced in their free advocacy; supporters of organized labor don't favor restrictions on the political contributions (or services in kind) provided by these organizations; associations of professionals (lawyers, doctors, variousd scientists, etc.) all support their contiunued right to organize and contribute to political actions they support. Similarly business associations have equivalent motives to protect their own interests. It is messy, but it is the nature of a free democracy. All of these actors imagine they are acting in the public interest, and none has a permanent lock on virtue or merited priviledge. If we act to restrict the free expression of one group or class of actors in this drama, then surely the freedom of all is in danger.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2012 10:06 am
@ehBeth,


I'm hopeful that America will realize that Obama is a failed
experiment and vote him out of office this November.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2012 10:13 am
Obama wasn't an experiment. He was the choice of the majority of voters, who in fact took back the country from the failed experiment that was the Bush misadministration. The failed experiment was eight years of conservative economic and political misjudgment.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2012 10:18 am
@MontereyJack,


Obama is an experiment and it has failed miserably!
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JPB
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2012 10:29 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

What will repace them? The goal of all political parties, movements, or associations -0r whatever you choose to call them - is political power. That's how democracy works, and I am not aware of any working democracy anywhere that is entirely (or even mostly) free of such factionalism.
I'm pretty anti-faction, george. Differences among peoples can be solved by those same people working together to come to a compromise or consensus with giving control over to an intermediary. My representative of choice is one who campaigns on and votes his/her conscience on all issues, regardless of the ideological line of group-think. They also aren't career politicians whose decisions are based on the ever-present election cycle. The idea of "public servant" has become a joke. I'd like to see it return.

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Everyone appears to want "campaign finance reform" at least theoretically or in principle. However very few such advocates really favor the "reform" of campaign financing by organizations they favor. Environmentalists certainly don't wish various "green" advocacy groups to be silenced in their free advocacy; supporters of organized labor don't favor restrictions on the political contributions (or services in kind) provided by these organizations; associations of professionals (lawyers, doctors, variousd scientists, etc.) all support their contiunued right to organize and contribute to political actions they support. Similarly business associations have equivalent motives to protect their own interests. It is messy, but it is the nature of a free democracy. All of these actors imagine they are acting in the public interest, and none has a permanent lock on virtue or merited priviledge. If we act to restrict the free expression of one group or class of actors in this drama, then surely the freedom of all is in danger.


Are you saying that you support the Citizens United decision? To me it clearly demonstrates that all three branches of government have been corrupted.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2012 10:38 am
@JPB,
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I'm pretty anti-faction, george. Differences among peoples can be solved by those same people working together to come to a compromise or consensus with giving control over to an intermediary.


It has been my overwhelming experience, both in local and state politics, volunteer organizations I've been a member of, and at work, that factionalization is a natural and predictable outcome of placing power in the hands of a body of people, instead of a single person. It is natural for alliances to develop based on shared interests; it quickly becomes clear that those who do develop such alliances get their way far more often than unorganized individuals who do not.

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2012 11:02 am
Conservative sites across the web are a-flutter today about Romney's statement this morning: "I'm not concerned about the very poor."

Not that they disagree with him one bit; but, everyone seems to agree that the guy has a tin ear and doesn't even realize that he says things that will later be used against him in attack ads.

Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2012 11:09 am
http://dailydish.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20163007fe099970d-550wi

Cycloptichorn
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2012 11:17 am
@Cycloptichorn,


I understand that St. Bernard hates Obama so much that he wouldn't piss on him if Oboy was on fire.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2012 11:20 am
@Cycloptichorn,
You saw this, right?

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