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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2012 12:22 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Why doesn't the immoral minority say what's up with having 3 wives? Or one a month for that matter? Are they so neurotic that they can't stick up for immorality and just moider themselves about it instead? A man can't be expected to deal with what a president has to deal with and be bothering his head about a bit of perfectly legal hanky-panky.

Wives are not really R&R.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2012 12:34 pm
@sozobe,
Quote:
You're serious?

What about Fox, then? Why didn't they break the Edwards story... because of concern for his sick wife?

The story here is that ALL of the media except for the National Enquirer couldn't find anything beyond the rumors. They looked (everyone wants to be the one to break this stuff -- Gary Hart anyone?) but they couldn't find enough on it to publish it as a credible news item. The National Enquirer, not known for being limited to credible news items, did go after it on all cylinders and sure enough, it turned out to be an actual story.

This isn't a double-standard situation.


If I may, I would like to offer an "amen."

AMEN!
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2012 12:39 pm
Just a follow-up, Mr. Speaker, besides Callista, were you screwing a lot of other women or did you, at the time, try to limit your "completely immoral, unethical and reprehensible" behavior (to quote your characterization of Bill Clinton during that same time) to just your wife and your mistress?

Joe(Jist wonderin')Nation
parados
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2012 12:45 pm
@Joe Nation,
Joe...

Certainly you can see the difference between an unpaid intern and a paid Congressional staffer.



(By eliminating the Congressional page program, Congress can never stoop to the level Clinton did. They only have sex with people they pay.)
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2012 12:50 pm
@parados,
Yes, yes....oh yes, quite clear now.
Quote:
They only have sex with people they pay.)


It that reflected on a W-2 or a 1099?

Joe(If you would check your employee handbook.... .)Nation
parados
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2012 01:02 pm
@Joe Nation,
It all depends on whether they are as open about their tax returns as they are their marriage.
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revelette
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2012 01:16 pm
@spendius,
I guess it is the hypocrisy that is galling to most people who remember the whole Monica Lewinsky scandal and Newt Gingrich's words during the whole thing.

Quote:
As hard as he tries, Newt Gingrich cannot bury the past.

In an exclusive interview with ABC News' "Nightline" scheduled to air tonight, the GOP presidential candidate's second ex-wife says she refused to go along with the idea that she share her husband with Callista Bisek, who would later become his third wife.

The interview will air just two days before the presidential primary in Christian conservative South Carolina, where Gingrich is trying to present himself as the strongest alternative to front-runner Mitt Romney.

It is also a reminder of the monumental hypocrisy Gingrich practiced in the late 1990's.

While carrying on with Bisek, Gingrich, as House Speaker, was putting the country through the ringer with a consuming, divisive and distracting attempt to impeach President Bill Clinton and remove him from office for his affair with Monica Lewinsky.

Here's a brief chronology: In 1993, Newt and Marianne Gingrich had been married a dozen years when he began an affair with Callista Bisek, a House staffer who was 23 years his junior.

At roughly the same time (1995-97), President Clinton conducted an affair with White House intern Monica Lewinsky. Clinton denied the affair in January 1998 during a deposition in the Paula Jones sexual harassment civil case, but admitted it in August 1998 when DNA evidence from a stained blue-dress emerged.

The House, with Gingrich as Speaker, wasted little time in trying to remove Clinton from office. By Dec. 19, 1998, Clinton had become only the second U.S. president to be impeached by the House of Representatives (on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice).

While Clinton survived a Senate trial and completed his term of office with generally high job-approval ratings, the impeachment process, various ethics violations and historic losses in the 1998 midterms had taken a huge toll on Gingrich's political career.

Facing a rebellion in the Republican caucus, Gingrich announced that he would step down as Speaker and leave the House (which he did on Jan. 3, 1999).

Five months after that, on May 11, 1999, Marianne Gingrich told The Washington Post that her husband called her mother's home and requested a divorce.

The couple saw a counselor for four weeks, during which time Marianne said her husband asked for an “open marriage” so that he could continue to see whoever he wanted. When Marianne Gingrich refused, the marriage was over.

The divorce was finalized on April 6, 2000. Newt Gingrich married Bisek four months later on Aug. 18, 2000.

Gingrich would argue in 2007 that the Clinton case was different from his personal transgressions.

"The president of the United States got in trouble for committing a felony in front of a sitting federal judge," he said, arguing that Clinton had "deliberately committed perjury."

But many would argue that the independent counsel had no business questioning a sitting president for for acts done before taking office and unrelated to the office (remember Clinton v. Jones?).

And even so, before, during and affair the Clinton impeachment, Gingrich constantly espoused family values and linked his party to wholesome family values. In fact, he gave a speech with those themes the day after asking Marianne for a divorce!


source

Of course he denies it, but then so did Clinton all up until the famous blue dress forced to admit he "misled" the American people. Doubt his third current wife would be willing to admit to the story.
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revelette
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2012 01:45 pm
anyway, on with the republican race:

Hours before key primary, Romney lowers expectations

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Speaker Gingrich is from a neighboring state, well-known, popular in the state, so I knew we'd have a long road ahead of us, and frankly to be in a neck-and-neck race at this last moment is kind of exciting," Romney told reporters.

Polls show Gingrich, who is from Georgia and is former speaker of the House of Representatives, gaining on Romney. The former Massachusetts governor's attempt to launch a knockout blow in the nomination race by winning the conservative southern state on Saturday is now in doubt.

Romney had another mixed debate performance Thursday night when he struggled to fend off queries about releasing his tax returns, after acknowledging this week that he pays a much lower tax rate than many working Americans. The former executive has an estimated worth of $270 million.

But Romney can afford to come in second in South Carolina and still remain at the head of the pack of Republicans.

He has more campaign funds and a stronger organization than Gingrich and the two other Republican contenders, former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum and Texas Congressman Ron Paul.

Such advantages for Romney could be key in Florida, where the January 31 primary is next in the state-by-state contest to determine who will face Democratic President Barack Obama in the November 6 elections.



(rest of article at the source)
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failures art
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2012 01:58 pm
I agree that Newt's exchange with King serves him well in the SC primary, and if it benefits him, it draws out the primary, which I don't mind. That said, watching Newt theatrically play the victim made my stomach turn. His ex-wife's a liar?

Okay, so he wasn't cheating on her and looking for an open marriage, she was lying and he was only cheating on her. Then a standing ovation. You've gotta be kidding me.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2012 02:13 pm
@failures art,
No, they're not kidding. What Setanta said about another issue fits perfectly here,
Quote:
"..twisted your mind into a pretzel..: -- Setanta


Amazing stuff of US politics that's so confused, I'm not sure anyone understands what's happening.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2012 02:29 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I understand ci. It's media making itself the story. And the beneficiary.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2012 02:34 pm
@spendius,
Well, Spendi, that's what we media types do for a living. It's our job, for goodness' sake.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2012 02:35 pm
As was noted earlier on this thread, the Clemson and PPP polls released today show the samples of Republican likely voters show Gingrich"surging" ahead of Romney by 6 percentage points and Paul and Santorum in the low double digits along with "Undecided."
> The head of the SC Republican Party predicted a week ago that turnout would be around 460,000. That would be up about 3% then in 2008. Advantage? Newt, I think.
> SC has an "open primary" meaning that any of the states 2.6M registered voters can participate. Advantage? Newt.
> SC allows early, absentee voting only with a valid excuse. So, unlike many states, there have not been a huge number of ballots already received. Advantage? Newt.
> SC will have 25 delegates up for grabs. 11 of those will go to the statewide winner. 2 more will go to the winner in each of the state's congressional districts. Advantage? I don't know.
I may be repeating stuff you all already knew.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2012 04:02 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
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Well, Spendi, that's what we media types do for a living. It's our job, for goodness' sake.


And it isn't very edifying is it?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2012 04:34 pm
@sozobe,
It really doesn't matter whether you agree or not. Newt Gingrich is not trying to get your vote.

Republicans, in the main, believe there is double standard and are enraged by it, and Gingrich is capitalizing on it.

Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2012 04:38 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

It really doesn't matter whether you agree or not. Newt Gingrich is not trying to get your vote.

Republicans, in the main, believe there is double standard and are enraged by it, and Gingrich is capitalizing on it.




Which is a little sad, really. This has nothing to do with the presidency, or Newt's qualifications - it's just him accurately identifying the fact that Conservatives consider themselves to be constant victims in today's society, and he plays up to their sense of victim-hood as much as possible - pretending to get angry about it in a shallow attempt to manipulate the emotions of the weak-minded.

The fact that the lot of you - yourself excluded, I will say - can't see through his bullshit is not a sign of high intelligence amongst GOP primary voters.

Cycloptichorn
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2012 04:38 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Sure, that part I agree with (and brought up earlier).

I'm glad he played that opportunity like a fiddle.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2012 04:43 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
It really doesn't matter whether you agree or not. Newt Gingrich is not trying to get your vote.

Republicans, in the main, believe there is double standard and are enraged by it, and Gingrich is capitalizing on it.


That's a fair call in the short game - but if he were to get the nom how will it play when trying get the non-republican votes needed to win the presidency?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2012 04:44 pm
If the problem with Newt was just his women, I would be less alarmed at the prospect. The man's a weasley worm in so many other ways I find it hard to believe he is even in the race. I hope he never gets elected to any position of power. Period.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2012 04:48 pm
@edgarblythe,
You got that right!
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