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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 04:57 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:


Those are EXACT objectives that the GOP has pursued, both historically and recently. None of those are an exaggeration in the slightest. When Ron Paul says he wants to eliminate the EPA, he's calling for dirtier air and water, specifically.


I didn't think that you could more strongly demonstrate that you're a partisan hack, but I was wrong.

Cyclo wrote:


You think so? Laughing Have fun rallying your troops around that fake asshole.



Please keep predicting Obama will win. it comforts me considering how awful you are at political prognostication.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 05:01 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Exactly what do YOU think the result would be, of eliminating agencies tasked with ensuring that companies and individuals don't pollute the air and water?? The position you are taking here is ridiculous, Finn. It would be akin to me claiming that my pro-abortion stance wasn't intended to actually allow or promote abortions.

"We're against regulations, but don't you dare say that we're FOR any of the things that are currently stopped by regulations!" You guys are so full of ****. And the positions themselves are so ridiculous, you can't stand it when people actually point out what it is you are calling for!

Cycloptichorn
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 05:23 pm
Some final comments on NH:
There were a few final polls showing pretty much the same results as a few days earlier. But note:
> The polls have been of "likely Republican voters." Dems and Indys can participate. I think the turnout there could be higher than expected, with "meddling" not necessarily being the motive. Rather, voters in NH may be drifting away from Obama. Advantage, perhaps, Paul.
> NH voters don't want to be seen as rubber stamps of the perceived leader. Look back over the last 30 years. Disadvantage Romney.
> Mitt certainly took a double dip in political poop today:
.... I worried at times in my career about getting a pink slip
.... I enjoy firing people (taken totally, arguably, out of context)
> His record at Bain Capital may not haunt him tomorrow but watch for that.
JPB
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 05:26 pm
@realjohnboy,
I heard that a lot of the folks at Paul's rallies were from out-of-state and unlikely to represent NH voters.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 05:30 pm
@failures art,
failures art wrote:

To be fair, he's proving liberals wrong that he was only running to sell books. You like when liberals are wrong... so that's a consolation prize at least right?

Proving liberals are wrong is like someone "proving" to me there is a sun in the sky. I'm not impressed.

Thrown in for good measure. My Finn dAbuzz political bingo card is almost full. When it's complete I get a free sandwich at Subway.

I'm pleased to see you pay such attention to my posts, and that it can be rewarding in more ways than one. Does Subway sell Vegan subs prepared by pacifists who tear up when they read Thomas Friedman? If not I guess you'll have to donate your prize to the last occupier freezing on Wall Street.

Envy perhaps? Maybe you wished this would have been how things went for Obama in 2008? Yes, Gingrich has laid the blueprint for the weapon against Romney. All Obama needs to do is chime in come time. The rest writes itself when Romney can't reconcile himself to general audiences after the RNC.

Envy? Try and make sense deist.

Obviously you have not been paying attention to what Romney has been saying, or, more likely, you have an involuntary, reflexive reaction to anything that comes out of a Republican's mouth: You immediately stop listening after word-one and then substitute that which fits your preconceived notions..."I want retarded children and old people to die. I want dirty air and dirty water. I want America's youth to perish in the meat-grinders of foreign wars!"

It's a neat trick. Are you able to manage it when your mom scolds you for staying on your computer all night?

It shouldn't take a particularly sharp person to recognize Romney's game plan. It's precisely why he has not been embraced by staunch conservatives. He is, rather brilliantly, walking the tightrope between obtaining the GOP nomination and setting himself up for the general election.

Do you know what his tax policy is?

Other than supporting a continuation of the Bush tax cuts and pledging not to raise any taxes (which, of course, is part of the price of admission into the GOP primaries) the only taxes he is pledging to reduce are those that impact the middle-class. By doing so he is blunting Obama's inevitable attack that Romney wants to stick it to the middle-class in favor of the rich.

Since there are plenty of folks such as yourself who will accept such an attack without reflection, he's not building absolute immunity. The people who blindly accept the accusation though were never about to vote for anyone but Obama, so nothing is really lost. Instead he has a message for the moderates and independents: I'm a different kind of conservative. I'm truly rich and I know we rich don't need tax breaks. I know that you folks in the middle-class need a break and I'm going to give it to you in a conservative fashion...by freeing you from taxes on investments. You won't need to muck about with a 401K, because anything you invest will be tax free.

Obama has telegraphed his campaign strategy: Appeal to the middle-class. Demonize the rich and lay low on spending money on the poor. Obviously Romney is not ceding this territory to him.


But, since this is an interesting thread, here's a question for you: Who could be paired best on the Romney ticket?

There's only one clear choice: Marco Rubio.

I know he's saying he won't run, but what is he supposed to say?

He will deliver both conservative and latino votes and possibly even youth votes.

Assuming Rubio is serious about not running, look for Romney to press Christie, Ryan and Nikki Haley.

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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 05:32 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Gingrich and romney could have an arrogance face off
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 05:33 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
You promote abortions?
plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 05:34 pm
@joefromchicago,
The Onion had a story about a tourist family visiting the biggest asshole in America. Do you think it might have been romney? buchanan?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 05:35 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

You promote abortions?


Do you honestly view a pro-abortion stance in any other way?

How can you be for something, but not be for the effects of something? You are for less regulation, but not for the thing that is being regulated less? Nonsensical!

If you are for loosening of EPA restrictions on pollution controls, you are for more pollution - period. You should be honest about this.

Cycloptichorn
plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 05:35 pm
@failures art,
I LOLed!
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 05:37 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I think they believe they can have their cake and eat it, too.

Eliminate the regulations that are "choking business" (and keeping our air and water reasonably clean), and new business will spring forth (such as air filters to clean the smog created by all that cheap industry).
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 05:41 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:

Do you know what his tax policy is?

Other than supporting a continuation of the Bush tax cuts and pledging not to raise any taxes (which, of course, is part of the price of admission into the GOP primaries) the only taxes he is pledging to reduce are those that impact the middle-class. By doing so he is blunting Obama's inevitable attack that Romney wants to stick it to the middle-class in favor of the rich.


Dude. This is completely untrue. You should get your facts about candidates straight before taking someone else to task on it:

http://taxvox.taxpolicycenter.org/2012/01/05/romney%E2%80%99s-tax-plan-big-benefits-for-the-wealthy-and-higher-deficits/

Quote:
A sizable number of low-income families would see their taxes go up. For instance, about 15 percent of those in the $10,000 to $20,000 income group would get an average tax cut of about $140, but 20 percent would get hit with an average tax increase of $1,000, mostly because Romney would bring back the less generous versions of those refundable credits.

About one-third of those in $40,000 to $50,000 group would get a tax cut that would average about $400, but about one-six would face a tax increase of nearly twice as much.

Almost every millionaire would get a tax cut averaging roughly $150,000.
As a group, those making $1 million or more would receive nearly half the benefit of Romney’s tax plan.


In short, you couldn't be more wrong about Mitt's tax plan. Romney is specifically proposing raising taxes on the poor and the middle class while cutting them for the rich.

I find it to be very delicious, that you casually wave away the attacks on Romney while being so incredibly uninformed yourself. You state:

Quote:

Since there are plenty of folks such as yourself who will accept such an attack without reflection, he's not building absolute immunity.


Are you willing to state that you, yourself, are a 'credible claque?' That you defend Romney with zero actual research or reflection?? An intellectually honest person would.

Cycloptichorn
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JPB
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 05:42 pm
@DrewDad,
Or, more likely, that they think the cost of compliance is prohibitive to startups and smaller business growth/expansion. Have you ever worked with regulators? Too big too fail companies are the only ones who can afford to keep up with the cost of compliance. They continue to get bigger (while, all the while, rigging the compliance structure in their favor) and there is no competition within regulated industries.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 06:02 pm
@JPB,
My favorite phrase today - directed at no one in particular here:
"You are filled with pious baloney."
A half-century ago, I picked apples for a very Republican man named Clarence. He was a very smart man. But I started sprouting liberal wings. We talked about stuff.
His expression, when he got angry, was:
"What a bunch of, of , of BOZO'S
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 06:04 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
So you're saying you promote abortions.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 06:04 pm
@JPB,
That's a nice argument, but are we supposed to relax the regulations on, say, Mercury emissions, because it costs start-ups more money to do business cleanly?

I do agree that we need to be careful regarding the rigging of compliance laws in favor of big businesses... it's important to remember that our regulations are large and complex b/c businesses WANT large and complex regulations.

Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 06:05 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

So you're saying you promote abortions.


I'm more interested in your response to my pointing out that you know nothing about Mitt Romney's tax plan, yet feel entitled to criticize and belittle Diest, who quite obviously DOES know more than you about what Romney is proposing.

Since you ask, though: what do you think the result of being pro-abortion is? Less abortions? I don't make any bones about what the results of my preferred policies would be; unlike you, I have the guts to come right out and say it. Can you say the same, regarding your preferred policies?

You guys really make me scratch my head, sometimes.

Cycloptichorn
JPB
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 06:08 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
It's not the cost of doing business cleanly that's prohibitive. It's the cost of proving that you're doing it cleanly. The regulatory overhead to demonstrate compliance is what's prohibitive.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 06:11 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

It's not the cost of doing business cleanly that's prohibitive. It's the cost of proving that you're doing it cleanly. The regulatory overhead to demonstrate compliance is what's prohibitive.


Mmmm, I don't know if that's right in every instance. It's expensive to run chemical plants cleanly!

Removing the requirements to prove you're doing it right essentially allows the pollution to continue. As an advocate of less regulation, are you comfortable making the affirmative statement, that this is what you want?

It seems to me that if regulations themselves aren't the problem, there would be quite a large market in finding cheaper ways to prove that you are following them.

Cycloptichorn
JPB
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jan, 2012 06:17 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
It probably isn't true in every instance, but it is true that the cost of regulatory overhead is prohibitive to growth/expansion of small businesses.

Find a cheaper way to prove that you're following the regs? Surely you jest. Try telling the FDA that you've found a cheaper way to submit your new drug application.
 

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