The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

Gingrich is s nasty piece of work; just as narcissistic as Obama.

I loved him citing the NYT as a source for proof that Romney was a predatory capitalist at Bain. What a pathetic little fat boy. The GOP should kick him out of the party. He will personally be responsible for at about 25% of Obama's general election ads.

Paul will not run as an independent unless he doesn't care about his son's political career. He wants to influence the platform. He can't do that as an independent candidate; he can only assure an Obama victory.

Santorum isn't going overtake Romney. It's not as if the primary electorate has suddenly got to know him, he I just the last non-Romney standing. Under intensified scrutiny, he will wilt a bit and then the desire to vote for the ultimate winner will take over.

Dems have taken a shine to Huntsman for several reasons:

1) The Republican base won't give him the time of day.
2) He worked for Obama
3) His evolution/global warming tweet
4) He apparently can speak Chinese

I get a kick out of objections to calling Dems "socialists," particularly when the complainers have no problem with Dems asserting that Repubs want dirty air and water and to leave old people and the mentally disabled to fare for themselves. I say we call them Social Democrats.

The sooner Romney locks up the nomination, the better his chances are in the general election. Eventually, the anti-Obama imperative will take over.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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I get a kick out of objections to calling Dems "socialists," particularly when the complainers have no problem with Dems asserting that Repubs want dirty air and water and to leave old people and the mentally disabled to fare for themselves. I say we call them Social Democrats.

Those are EXACT objectives that the GOP has pursued, both historically and recently. None of those are an exaggeration in the slightest. When Ron Paul says he wants to eliminate the EPA, he's calling for dirtier air and water, specifically.

But, regarding Socialism - what's the Dem bill that has been put forward, that would transform our system into one where capital is collectively owned? I'd love to hear any Republican outline the exact policy proposals.

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The sooner Romney locks up the nomination, the better his chances are in the general election. Eventually, the anti-Obama imperative will take over.

You think so? Laughing

Have fun rallying your troops around that fake asshole.

Cycloptichorn

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Eventually, the anti-Obama imperative will take over.

I thought that was the impetus behind anyone-but-Romney.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Have fun rallying your troops around that fake asshole.

You're being very unfair to Romney. I think he's a genuine asshole.

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@Cycloptichorn,

I suppose it should be notheworthy that Cyclo here fervently asserts that Republican intentions of limiting the reach and action of the EPA, due to their adverse economic consequences on employment and job creation are EXACTLY the same as advocating dirtier air and water ... and that this assertion involves no exaggeration whatever ....

.... while in the next breath denying that Democrat actions to create a government-controlled economy through regulation of capital allocations and the activities of businesses of every kind involve socialism in any form because, strictly speaking, the government has not yet taken over explicit ownership of those corporations.

The double standard and contradiction here is starkly evident, and indicative of his unthinking, categorical and dogmatic approach to his political prejudices.

Under Leninist thinking in the early USSR, those who disagreed with elements of Party policy were deemed to be enemies of the state, based on the supposed objective consequences of that disagreement, and often subject to capital punishment as a result. Their objective "logic" with respect to their opponents and authoritarian rtationalizations of their own prejudices that prevailed in that inhuman system are no different from Cyclo's approach, though I suspect he lacks the understanding and knowledge of history to see that.

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@georgeob1,

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Under Leninist thinking in the early USSR, those who disagreed with elements of Party policy were deemed to be enemies of the state, based on the supposed objective consequences of that disagreement, and often subject to capital punishment as a result. Their objective "logic" with respect to their opponents and authoritarian rtationalizations of their own prejudices that prevailed in that inhuman system are no different from Cyclo's approach, though I suspect he lacks the understanding and knowledge of history to see that.

No he doesn't George. He can't wait.

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@georgeob1,

The idea the regulations have anything to do with Socialism at all is a farce, George. As is the idea that regulations are designed to create a 'government-controlled economy.' Neither of those two propositions has a shred of evidence to back it up, and indeed, the accusations don't even make sense.

I would ask you to provide any evidence or logical argument that supports your position, but I'm beyond believing you ever will do such a thing, so I'll just leave it at that.

Cycloptichorn

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Gingrich is s nasty piece of work;

To be fair, he's proving liberals wrong that he was only running to sell books. You like when liberals are wrong... so that's a consolation prize at least right?

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

just as narcissistic as Obama.

Thrown in for good measure. My Finn dAbuzz political bingo card is almost full. When it's complete I get a free sandwich at Subway.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

I loved him citing the NYT as a source for proof that Romney was a predatory capitalist at Bain. What a pathetic little fat boy. The GOP should kick him out of the party. He will personally be responsible for at about 25% of Obama's general election ads.

Envy perhaps? Maybe you wished this would have been how things went for Obama in 2008? Yes, Gingrich has laid the blueprint for the weapon against Romney. All Obama needs to do is chime in come time. The rest writes itself when Romney can't reconcile himself to general audiences after the RNC.

But, since this is an interesting thread, here's a question for you: Who could be paired best on the Romney ticket?

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@failures art,

Christie.

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@failures art,

Reality Itself is writing attack ads against Romney. Him running around saying things like 'I know what it's like to fear getting a pink slip' and 'I love firing people' just make it that much easier...

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

So, when Republicans vote for subsidies to the "defense industry," when the government hands out subsidies to farmers, steamship companies, the stell industry, and bails out the auto industry--does that mean they're socialists?

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@Setanta,

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So, when Republicans vote for subsidies to the "defense industry," when the government hands out subsidies to farmers, steamship companies, the stell industry, and bails out the auto industry--does that mean they're socialists?

I guess so, now that words mean whatever the hell we want them to at any given moment.

Cycloptichorn

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@failures art,

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But, since this is an interesting thread, here's a question for you: Who could be paired best on the Romney ticket?

Think Southern Tea Partier with social conservative background.

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@engineer,

Ooo Ooo . . . i know . . . Bobby Jindal . . .

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@engineer,

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failures art wrote:

But, since this is an interesting thread, here's a question for you: Who could be paired best on the Romney ticket?

Think Southern Tea Partier with social conservative background.

Marco Rubio. End of story. There is no stronger VP candidate for their side.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

I have said before that Marco is too smart to go down in flames along with the current cast of Republican candidates. And I think the Tea Party movement is starting to unravel.
I think he will be quite content to stay in congress and keep his head down and powder dry.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

engineer wrote:

failures art wrote:

But, since this is an interesting thread, here's a question for you: Who could be paired best on the Romney ticket?

Think Southern Tea Partier with social conservative background.

Marco Rubio. End of story. There is no stronger VP candidate for their side.

Cycloptichorn

Suggested edit: There's no better VP name on the ticket with Romney. There's a wealth of better qualified VP candidates, and for that matter Presidential candidates.

Rubio is a good person to balance a ticket. It would have been better with Jindal, but Jindal didn't use his 2009 spotlight well after he was chosen to give the SotU response from the GOP. It ended up being a total press failure. Jindal gained back a little ground during Deppwater Horizon, but his attacks on Obama fell pretty flat. He can keep a pretty good hold in LA, but on the national stage, he's failed pretty bad.

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@failures art,

And he was extremely premature in jumping on the Perry bandwagon.

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@JPB,

Didn't know about that... ouch.

I still think VA Governor Bob McDonnell is the VP pale horse or at least on the short list.

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@DrewDad,

Not really.

The anyone-but-Romney faction is looking for a conservative firebreather that will promise (whether or not he delivers) to make huge sweeping changes. They are not focused, above all else, on defeating Obama.

To be fair, some truly believe that a Gingrich or Perry can beat Obama.

I would love to see someone more radical than Romney win the election, but I just don't see it happening. Those who disagree with me often cite that the conventional wisdom was that Reagan was unelectible and he won in a landslide.

Unfortunately, the current crop of GOP candidates contains no Reagan which is to say someone who you could strongly disagree with politically, but would have to admit was likeable. Clinton had a similar knack.

Even people who often agree, politically, with Gingrich can't stand him, so what chance is there for someone on the fence to fall to his side by virtue of exuded charisma?

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