The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

@rosborne979,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

I support separation of Church & state.

rosborne979 wrote:

I do too. But I believe Santorum does not
(even though he will say he does, his choices and opinions show otherwise).

Well, we 'll just have to probe the historical facts,
in addition to asking him direct questions,
n make our individual judgments accordingly; yes??

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

You can't separate Church and State. It's a delusion. As is freedom, liberty and all the other mush. They are nothing but buzz-words to make you feel better.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

Where's the delusion Dave?
Reporting of drones, rendition, Cruise missiles, planes bombing
from beyond the range of defence, are regular features of the News.

The boots on the ground are brave.

And now the scuttle is underway.

A correct reply to your question requires explanation
of some of the history of A2K.
Firstly, quite a while ago (I imagine maybe over 2 years)
I had a debate with JTT on the logical use of grammar,
during which he repudiated logic. I felt as tho I were
debating Gracie Allen. I had him on Ignore for a long
time. I don 't remember the reason for removing him,
but subsequent dealing with him confirmed to me that
he is mentally disabled from reasoning, & therefore
not to be taken seriously; (that also applies to when
he agrees with me [which is embarrassing, when it
has happened]). Of course, he is also harmless.
It is possible for a hopelessly delusional person to
have accurate information among his delusions;
e.g., in his imagination, possibly, the sun might
rise in the East, maybe. Anyway, my point is that
I don 't take him seriously, but I can play with him
harmlessly in this forum.

JCBoy posted a political comment which I addressed.
I rendered my explanation of the Republican position,
according to my understanding. JTT posted a comment
to which I did not respond as fully nor with the same
care as a person whose mind I respected.

If u 'd like to debate the subject matter of his post
(in its entirety) I 'll be pleased to do that.

The delusion, as manifested in his latest post,
is that we r not free "at all" and that we are "all" duped
into voting as we do. I did not take that seriously
enuf to render an analysis.

David

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

You can't separate Church and State.

Y not?

spendius wrote:

It's a delusion. As is freedom, liberty and all the other mush.
They are nothing but buzz-words to make you feel better.

That is false. Freedom is disability imposed upon government.
It is stinginess, blessed stinginess, in the granting
of jurisdiction to government. There is not enuf of that
and there is less of it than there was.

We need to be very quick to challenge usurpation
and deal with it very severely, to discourage distortion (liberalism).

Lemme ask u, Spendius:
if freedom is delusional, then did we waste our time,
attention, supplies and effort in defending your place in the 1940s??

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

I support separation of Church & state.

you're leaving the Republican party?

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@OmSigDAVID,

I don't know what that is supposed to mean Dave.

The Rep. Race is a Media event as I see it. Media is wall-to-wall thin-skinned wankers. It thinks of itself as a power-broker. All its doors have security standing around them.

Ads represent income and programmes represent overheads.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Quote:

Lemme ask u, Spendius:
if freedom is delusional, then did we waste our time,
attention, supplies and effort in defending your place in the 1940s??

Sheesh!! The Nazis were on the bones of their arse when the US finally decided to weigh in. The Soviets were too much for them and they had lost control of the skies.

I'm happy with granting jurisdiction to the Gov. providing it consists of Christians. Who else is there? Individuals??? Come off it.

The Church is the marrowbone jelly of the State.

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@spendius,

I don't know what that is supposed to mean Dave.

The Rep. Race is a Media event as I see it. [/quote]Who will take over leadership of the country is a matter of public interest.
We need the media to circulate information.

spendius wrote:

Media is wall-to-wall thin-skinned wankers.

??????????
IF u wish to make yourself understood, then . . . .

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@OmSigDAVID,

It will be understood by those who keep their eyes and ears open. Making and running an attack ad is like being given money. Then it's a question of who gets it. Shareholders or the talking heads.

I think Obama is a shoo-in if there is no major disaster.

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@spendius,

FOR THE RECORD:
I favor making and running attack ads.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

On what subjects?

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@spendius,

Politics & economics.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Well David..
Do you believe the government should interfere with medical decisions of families?

You might want to google Santorum and Schiavo.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

spendius wrote:
Media is wall-to-wall thin-skinned wankers.
??????????
IF u wish to make yourself understood, then . . . .

It's perfectly understandable to anyone who wants to understand. You are sometimes deliberately obtuse regarding the English language, refusing to comprehend anything other than your own NY patois. Not all English speakers live in NYC.

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Unemployment drops to 8.5% today, 220k jobs added in December (Seasonally-adjusted, even).

This is probably the worst thing that can possibly happen for the GOP right now; an economy that continues to improve and add jobs for the next ten months will help Obama's narrative tremendously. Heck, Obama will probably even hit positive territory on 'jobs created' since he took office pretty soon at this rate.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Unemployment drops to 8.5% today, 220k jobs added in December (Seasonally-adjusted, even).

This is probably the worst thing that can possibly happen for the GOP right now;

It depends. If unemployment is coming down because people are finding jobs, that's good for Obama. But if it's coming down because people are giving up looking, it's a wash for him. So what happened with employment as a percentage of the working-age population? Do you know?

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@Thomas,

Thomas wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Unemployment drops to 8.5% today, 220k jobs added in December (Seasonally-adjusted, even).

This is probably the worst thing that can possibly happen for the GOP right now;

It depends. If unemployment comes down because people find jobs, that's good for Obama. If it comes down because people give up looking, it's a wash. So what happened with working-age employment? Do you know?

I believe that the number of people dropping out of the labor force did affect that number somewhat; but, is this unusual? That's the question. I seem to recall that - independent of the recession - we are beginning to see the rise of the Baby-boomer retirement surge.

I doubt the general public knows a ******* thing about that aspect of it though, lol, the topline number is what matters to most 'low-information' voters.

Cycloptichorn

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@Thomas,

News today said we were seeing the opposite: people who had given up work were coming back into the work force and stopping the unemployment number from dropping as much as the number of new jobs suggests it would.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I doubt the general public knows a ******* thing about that aspect of it though, lol, the topline number is what matters to most 'low-information' voters.

I think you have a mistaken view of how unemployment affects elections. It doesn't work through the "general public" reading the newspaper. It works through individuals asking themselves: "Do I have a job or don't I? Are my wage and benefits better than they were four years ago or aren't they? So do I want four more years of the president who got me in this place or don't I?"

There are no low-information voters when it comes to these questions. Individuals know exactly what their answers are. And if one of the answers is that no, I don't have a job, it doesn't matter if the BLS categorizes this individual as unemployed or as a frustrated worker. Either way, this individual is unlikely to vote for the incumbent office holder. The "general public", and hence the outcome at the polls, only exists as an aggregation of these individual decisions.

And that's why it matters if the reduction in unemployment comes from people finding jobs or people giving up looking.

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@Thomas,

PS:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I seem to recall that - independent of the recession - we are beginning to see the rise of the Baby-boomer retirement surge.

That doesn't affect the unemployment rate: Retirees drop both out of unemployment and the labor force. Because the unemployment rate is the fraction of both numbers, the effect of increased retirement cancels out in the division.

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