The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

@MontereyJack,

Lately?

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

It has been against my practices to inhale nitrous oxide.
I have successfully avoided it.

One of my abiding images of New Orleans was people inhaling nitrous oxide, and the gift shops sold dildos in amongst the T shirts and ashtrays. I didn't expect to see that. You don't see that in Amsterdam.

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@izzythepush,

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It has been against my practices to inhale nitrous oxide.

Just say NO to N2O?

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

It showed through when Mr G told the gun lobby that they are the last bastion of freedom
and that the right to bear arms has any meaning nowadays outside of wasting money on "bang bang".

No; its just that u r ignorant of what u r talking about.

Maybe I 'll explain it to u later.

David

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@izzythepush,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

It has been against my practices to inhale nitrous oxide.
I have successfully avoided it.

izzythepush wrote:

One of my abiding images of New Orleans was people inhaling nitrous oxide,

During Mardi Gras ?

izzythepush wrote:

and the gift shops sold dildos in amongst the T shirts and ashtrays.
I didn't expect to see that. You don't see that in Amsterdam.

I'm immune to them; I take no notice.
I 'm eager to return there for the wonderful food
and the wonderful people.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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What if obama suspended elections because he expects to lose??
There r over 3OO,OOO,OOO of us
and relatively fewer of them.

Nobody would suspend elections without their being a pressing need to do so and a general agreement among the ruling elites. Mr Obama has no power to wake up one morning and say "Hey-let's cancel the election eh?" If history is any guide it will happen one day. 10% approval ratings for Congress is leaning towards it.

As to the different meaning of "freedom" in 1800 and now I would need a book. The movie Pat Garret and Billy the Kid is supposed to show the basics but it doesn't really. There were about 5 million in the US in 1800 and nearly a million were slaves. Where you reside was probably swampland or forest. A politician from Oregon had to travel for nearly a year to make a speech in Washington.

It is virtually impossible for us now to get more than a very faint idea of what life was like then. The change from animal muscle power to mechanical power is dramatic. And when the mechanical power is as elaborated as we have it there is a complete change in life involved. A new species of human even. You're a hybrid human Dave. Subsistence was everything 200 years ago. Now it's entertainment therapy. Your attitude to guns is entertainment. Even food is entertainment now.

Non-stop electioneering is insupportable in the long run. The constraints on a president are such that each of these candidates will do a roughly similar job if elected. We can have very little idea of who will do it best from these debates.

Your naivete is quite engaging Dave as long as it comes in small doses. How much food and energy does New York produce? It's on a life support system it seems to me. It's a sucking and shitting colony of organisms. I bet it dumps all its waste in somebody else's back yard.

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@spendius,

DAVID wrote:

What if obama suspended elections because he expects to lose??
There r over 3OO,OOO,OOO of us
and relatively fewer of them.

spendius wrote:

Nobody would suspend elections without their being a pressing need to do so and a general agreement among the ruling elites. Mr Obama has no power to wake up one morning and say "Hey-let's cancel the election eh?" If history is any guide it will happen one day. 10% approval ratings for Congress is leaning towards it.

Geeez! He has the power, if he works something out with the Armed Forces.
The point is government taking over the country,
not Constitutional interpretation. ( U think I 've never read it?? I was 9, the first time I read it.)
Saying "obama" symbolizes any CEO. I don 't expect it to HAPPEN,
in my life time, but life is full of surprizes. How many Germen
expected the Reichstag fire ` et seq.

spendius wrote:

As to the different meaning of "freedom" in 1800 and now I would need a book.

No. I did not ask u for the TRUTH. I asked for your perception thereof.
U sounded bold and full of confidence in your declaration.

Lemme get back to u. I better get some sleep. I 'm going to Florida in a few hours.

David

spendius wrote:

The movie Pat Garret and Billy the Kid is supposed to show the basics but it doesn't really. There were about 5 million in the US in 1800 and nearly a million were slaves. Where you reside was probably swampland or forest. A politician from Oregon had to travel for nearly a year to make a speech in Washington.

It is virtually impossible for us now to get more than a very faint idea of what life was like then. The change from animal muscle power to mechanical power is dramatic. And when the mechanical power is as elaborated as we have it there is a complete change in life involved. A new species of human even. You're a hybrid human Dave. Subsistence was everything 200 years ago. Now it's entertainment therapy. Your attitude to guns is entertainment. Even food is entertainment now.

Non-stop electioneering is insupportable in the long run. The constraints on a president are such that each of these candidates will do a roughly similar job if elected. We can have very little idea of who will do it best from these debates.

Your naivete is quite engaging Dave as long as it comes in small doses. How much food and energy does New York produce? It's on a life support system it seems to me. It's a sucking and shitting colony of organisms. I bet it dumps all its waste in somebody else's back yard.

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@ossobuco,

sure, i've worked on political campaigns, i vote in every election, my nephews are very politically active (in different ways)

the problem with politicians in my mind,is the useless scum far out way the few good ones, so they as a group just are just hatable

plus

it's just fun to **** on public figures and politicians, lawyers, the clergy, big business and entertainers are the best targets

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@djjd62,

I've worked on political campaigns too. For both sides I might add. I wanted a balanced view. And I got one. They all piss in the same pot. From various angles and distances either vertical or horizontal.

But in general they think they mean well. How can you not be meaning well when you are trying to get bus-passes for the stuck-in-the-house dodderers and keep bus services afloat as well. It's just that the successful ones get sucked into a system which overwhelms them. And as this system has evolved, in the UK I mean, unlike those which were drawn up on a sheet of paper over the brandy, it is well nigh perfect. Not as perfect as a rat's ratness is perfect or a feral woman. It sucks them in as a spider does a fly, dissolving them first for ease of storage or digestion, I'm no expert about that.

They find out that the system means well and that too many menials meaning well are a hindrance to the system's attempts to mean well. So they sample the delights of the capital city, vote the way they are told and keep their trap shut unless asked to provide the leader with a question it is easy for him to score off. The reward might be getting appointed to a European Commission investigating grain transfers between member countries. An office in Strasbourg eh? Think of that dj. Think of what the good-looking ladies think of these magnetic power centres. Think of what suppliers in general think of them. Diplomatic Lane at the airports. First class on Eurostar being interviewed by three French reporters about your approach to the fuss over the grain transfers. Some loophole in the tax regulations which has an ambiguity and has led to large amounts of money becoming untraceable and the taxpayers being up in arms about it.

The vanity temptations are such that only a St. Anthony type could withstand them, and I'm not one. And I don't think you are.

And they will all admit that they would rather be **** on than ignored. Or seen as characters in an absurdist theatrical production which runs and runs and runs.........

They generally mean well. A democratic system that doesn't mean well is a contradiction.

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@djjd62,

djjd62 wrote:

it's just fun to **** on public figures and politicians, lawyers, the clergy, big business and entertainers are the best targets

and some of them probably pay big bucks for it too.

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@djjd62,

I would guess, dj, that the occupations you listed as specially suitable for being shat upon are inhabited by a class of persons in whom the impulse to purposeful action is considerably stronger than the average and who are under moral constraints to avoid the ceremonially unclean activities associated with industrial processes and trade. Presumably they also find killing time in aimless and wasteful fatigation to be distasteful.

Agitating for temperance, or prison reform, or the suppression of vice or war, votes for women, mass education, green cars and such like, is where they cut their teeth. The more success they have in these specialised fields of human endeavour the more they are drawn into the system which, by the nature of things, deals with everything and, as such, needs to be compromised with.

I assume that you have been exposed to the more trying aspects of the industrial processes and the causal, mechanical sequences which are involved in them and which create, by habituation, a tendency to think in terms of efficiency.

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@djjd62,

I much prefer to hate lawyers who gravitate towards crooked politics.

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@RABEL222,

That's easy RABEL. It's like hating bogeymen.

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Given the timelines involved, it's becoming increasingly likely that Newt will NOT self-destruct before the Iowa caucuses. Romney is in a real bind - he has to go real negative, real fast, in order to rough Newt up enough. That makes me pretty happy, of course, but probably not the GOP caucus so much.

Cycloptichorn

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4yDCUJJm_U&sns=fb

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I havent been involved much in this discussion, but I have been reading all of the candidates websites and positions.
While there are some candidates I will NOT vote for (Bachman, Paul), and I am real hesitant about most of the others, there is one candidate that I do like.
Thats Jon Huntsman.
I like his positions on most issues, and I see very few negatives about him.
Unfortunately, I dont really think he has much of a chance of being elected.

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@mysteryman,

Out of curiosity, what do you have against Ron Paul? He's my favorite candidate right now by a long shot. Would love to see him replace Obama.

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@plainoldme,

I liked that video myself, He does bring up some important points.

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@Robert Gentel,

Robert Gentel wrote:

Out of curiosity, what do you have against Ron Paul? He's my favorite candidate right now by a long shot. Would love to see him replace Obama.

The guy wants to put us back on the gold standard! Surely you don't support that.

I do like him a lot, he's a very genuine person. I don't see him as having a lot of guile, which would be a refreshing change.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

There are a lot of things he advocates that I don't support but even if he were president he wouldn't be able to do most of them (and would likely walk back from some of them anyway, it's easier to say some of those things than do some of them).

But the biggest thing a president can affect is foreign policy, and in that regard he's the best shot at reversing America's longstanding bout of warmongering.

I don't even support his isolationist foreign policy, but figure if we split the difference between that and the status quo we'll be somewhere near where I want things.

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