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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 12:16 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

My understanding of Cain's position is that he believes abortion should be a matter for the states to decide as they (and their voters) wish.


ahhh the states.

not government.

You've been taking classes haven't you.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 02:43 pm
@ehBeth,
Har har har
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 03:01 pm
@spendius,
I don't know what constitutes "black enough," but apparently Obama is while Cain is not.

This is interesting because while Cain is the son of two Southern blacks of humble origins, Obama is the son of a white woman and a Kenyan. Last time I checked, Africans don't consider themselves African-Americans.

I suppose it's a manner of political view, in which case there are a lot of white boys and girls on A2K who are actually "black enough."
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 03:05 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Bill Clinton certainly was!

Cycloptichorn
snood
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 03:21 pm
The whole idea of who's "blacker" tastes kinda foul to me. I think I've experienced both situations - where my blackness was in question, and also where I've been perceived as too black. Both are bullshit.

If I have a problem with Cain related to "blackness", it has to do with things he himself has opened up, like when he denigrates black democrats as "brainwashed", or when he claims to be "blacker" than Barack Obama.
snood
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 03:22 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Bill Clinton certainly was!

Cycloptichorn


Exactly how was Bill Clinton Black?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 03:29 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Bill Clinton certainly was!

Cycloptichorn


Exactly how was Bill Clinton Black?


It's just a joke - he wasn't black at all, but was referred to by some as 'America's first black president.' Mostly in an attempt to tear the man down.

Here's a classic piece by Toni Morrison discussing it:

http://ontology.buffalo.edu/smith/clinton/morrison.html

Cycloptichorn
snood
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 03:33 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Yeah, I followed all that "First Black President" stuff when it was going on. I thought it was a bad joke then, too.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 04:13 pm
@snood,
There's an essay in Mailer's (I think) Advertisement book about "Hipsters" . Maybe it's the White Negro piece.

But what a name is Herman. It sounds big drum. Mitt, Rick and Newt sound like kid's names. Mitt conjures Holden Caulfield, Rick a stiff neck and Newt pond life. Herman Cain is quite a name and shows that his parents were sensible people.

The psychologists have a label for people who call their kids unusual and non-traditional names. I've forgotten what it is. Does anybody know?
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Ceili
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 04:28 pm
Question?? With the election a year out, is it too late for any new candidates to join the race or is this it?
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 04:44 pm
@Ceili,
I am inclined, Ceili, to say that it is too late to get into the Republican race for the nomination. The deadline, for example, to be on the ballot in the New Hampshire primary has passed.
More importantly, the logistics probably no longer work. People who really know how to run campaigns - and get paid accordingly - have already been hired by one candidate or by another. And big givers of money have placed their bets.
There are some rumors, but I would be skeptical of them.
I remain convinced that, particularly if Willard Romney is the nominee, there could be a 3rd party candidate.
Thanks for following along.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 04:46 pm
@realjohnboy,
a very conservative 3rd party?
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 04:47 pm
@Rockhead,
Yes.
Or Ron Paul, who realizes that this is his last go around.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 04:48 pm
@realjohnboy,
that would make me dance with glee...

I may go vote in the primary now.
Ceili
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 05:02 pm
@realjohnboy,
Thanks.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 05:08 pm
@Rockhead,
can I give you a ride?
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revelette
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 08:19 am
Quote:
WASHINGTON -- Key proposals from the Republican presidential candidates might make for good campaign fodder. But independent analyses raise serious questions about those plans and their ability to cure the nation's ills in two vital areas, the economy and housing.

Consider proposed cuts in taxes and regulation, which nearly every GOP candidate is pushing in the name of creating jobs. The initiatives seem to ignore surveys in which employers cite far bigger impediments to increased hiring, chiefly slack consumer demand.

"Republicans favor tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations, but these had no stimulative effect during the George W. Bush administration, and there is no reason to believe that more of them will have any today," writes Bruce Bartlett. He's an economist who worked for Republican congressmen and in the administrations of Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.
As for the idea that cutting regulations will lead to significant job growth, Bartlett said in an interview, "It's just nonsense. It's just made up."

Government and industry studies support his view.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics, which tracks companies' reasons for large layoffs, found that 1,119 layoffs were attributed to government regulations in the first half of this year, while 144,746 were attributed to poor "business demand."

Mainstream economic theory says governments can spur demand, at least somewhat, through stimulus spending. The Republican candidates, however, have labeled President Barack Obama's 2009 stimulus efforts a failure. Instead, most are calling for tax cuts that would primarily benefit high-income people, who are seen as the likeliest job creators.

"I don't care about that," Texas Gov. Rick Perry told The New York Times and CNBC, referring to tax breaks for the rich. "What I care about is them having the dollars to invest in their companies."

Many existing businesses, however, have plenty of unspent cash. The 500 companies that comprise the S&P index have about $800 billion in cash and cash equivalents, the most ever, according to the research firm Birinyi Associates.

The rating firm Moody's says the roughly 1,600 companies it monitors had $1.2 trillion in cash at the end of 2010. That's 11 percent more than a year earlier.

Small businesses rate "poor sales" as their biggest problem, with government regulations ranking second, according to a survey by the National Federation of Independent Businesses. Of the small businesses saying this is not a good time to expand, half cited the poor economy as the chief reason. Thirteen percent named the "political climate."

More small businesses complained about regulation during the administrations of Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush, according to an analysis of the federation's data by the liberal Economic Policy Institute.

Such findings notwithstanding, further cuts in taxes and regulations remain popular with GOP voters. A recent Associated Press-GfK poll found that most Democrats and about half of independents think "reducing environmental and other regulations on business" would do little or nothing to create jobs. But only one-third of Republicans felt that way.

The GOP's presidential hopefuls are shaping their economic agendas along those lines.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney says his 59-point plan "seeks to reduce taxes, spending, regulation and government programs."

Businessman Herman Cain would significantly cut taxes for the wealthy with his 9 percent flat tax plan. Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota said in a recent debate, "It's the regulatory burden that costs us $1.8 trillion every year. ... It's jobs that are lost."

The candidates have said little about another national problem: depressed home prices, as well as the high numbers of foreclosures and borrowers who owe more than their houses are worth.

After the Oct. 18 GOP debate in Las Vegas, a center of foreclosure activity, editors of the AOL Real Estate site wrote, "We didn't hear any meaningful solutions to the housing crisis. That's no surprise, considering that housing has so far been a ghost issue in the campaign."

To the degree the candidates addressed housing, they mainly took a hands-off approach. "We need to get government out of the way," Cain said. "It starts with making sure that we can boost this economy and then reform Dodd-Frank," which is a law that regulates Wall Street transactions.

Bachmann, in an answer that mentioned "moms" six times, said foreclosures fall most heavily on women who are "losing their nest for their children and for their family." She said Obama "has failed you on this issue of housing and foreclosures. I will not fail you on this issue." Bachmann offered no specific remedies.

Romney told editors of the Las Vegas Review-Journal: "Don't try and stop the foreclosure process. Let it run its course and hit the bottom. Allow investors to buy homes, put renters in them, fix the homes up and let it turn around and come back up."

Perry spokesman Mark Miner said the Texas governor's "immediate remedy for housing is to get America working again. ... Creating jobs will address the housing concerns that are impacting communities throughout America."

Bartlett, whose books on tax policy include "The Benefit and the Burden," recently wrote in the New York Times: "People are increasingly concerned about unemployment, but Republicans have nothing to offer them."

The candidates and their supporters dispute this, of course. A series of scheduled debates may give them chances to explain why their proposals would hit the right targets.


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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 08:35 am
@Ceili,
It would have to be someone with huge name recognition and a lot of money and infrastructure at hand.

Elections -- especially primaries -- are often won through hard work, face time, and organization, not just big-picture stuff like message.

So someone like Jeb Bush for example has a lot of name recognition and a lot of connections that could spring into action pretty quickly, but I just don't think America wants another Bush right now.

Most of the heavy hitters (the ones who really have a chance) would be pretty severely handicapped by waiting this long to enter the race, and so are more likely to wait until 2016.

So, it's not strictly impossible, but it's getting increasingly unlikely.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 08:47 am
Seems to me most respondents to this thread lean to the Democrats, who won't vote for the Republican nominee regardless- I'm kind of curious who A2K's traditional right wingers are looking too. Hey Finn, Tico, OSD, Waterboy etc. Right now it looks like Romney has done a Steve Bradbury http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Bradbury as far as the Elephants go - and that apparently means the Donkey encumbent strolls into a second term.
JPB
 
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Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 09:45 am
@hingehead,
I'm not a traditional right winger but I'm a swing voter who prefers a fiscal conservative in the White House. I was a fence sitter in 2008 until McCain chose SP as his running mate and then I worked hard for and gave financial support to Obama. As of today, the only R in the race I would vote for is Huntsman. Mitt isn't on my black list, but from what I've seen so far I'd go for Obama over Mitt, depending on who he picks as his running mate. I will actively support the opposition to any and all theocrats.
 

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