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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2011 09:02 am
@spendius,
And Bill O'Reilly's Dress Shirts are from Skip Gambert and his suits from some tailor whose name has skipped my memory.

Right wing my fat arse. "Thank you for watching" the made up bimbo squeaks.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2011 01:29 pm
New Hampshire made it official today. They selected January 10th, 2012, as the date for their primary. There had been a lot of bickering about the schedule but it is now official.
Iowa Caucus (Jan 3rd); NH Primary (Jan 10th); SC Primary (Jan 21st); Florida Primary (Jan 31st); Maine Caucus and Nevada Caucus (Feb 4th); Colorado Caucus and Minnesota Caucus (Feb 7th); Arizona Primary and Michigan Primary (Feb 28th).
Super Tuesday (Mar 6th).
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2011 04:30 pm
Another shoe or two dropped today in the Herman Cain saga. A 3rd woman - unidentified - said she "considered" filing harassment charges against Cain in the late 199o's when they worked for the NRA.
Two male employees of the NRA - whose names have been released - seem to collaborate the details.
Both of those guys, perhaps coincidentally, are now affiliated with the Perry campaign.
Some of my employees today - male and female - got into a spirited discussion of "bantering" and "inappropriate sexual comments" and whether it all really matters. I don't think they came to any agreement.
There is a undefinable point it seems, when one or both parties, know
that a line has been crossed.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2011 05:56 pm
@realjohnboy,
Hey Babe--howdya fancy a big, thick black dick for a change?

Does that cross the line John? I suspect it has been said often enough. Mostly unreported of course but what difference does that make when a presidential candidate is expected to be a saint in a land that has nearly 2 million abortions a year, a 50 % divorce rate and pornography with a Library of Congress copyright number?
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2011 06:20 pm
@spendius,
no. we don't elect saints. we elected a 'fella you'd have a beer with' instead of a man who actually knew what he was talking about. Re-elected him too, despite him being exposed as a panic stricken liar who invested this nation's blood and treasure in an ill-advised war in Iraq by that time because we refuse to change horses in mid-bloodbath.

Joe(Reelect the President)Nation meh
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2011 06:23 pm
@Joe Nation,
Hey Joe--I'm particular who I have a beer with.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2011 08:06 pm
The right-wing blogs I read are sorta flipping out at the moment over this Cain thing. The comment sections are incredibly fatalistic - I think it is hitting home to a lot of these guys that neither Perry nor Romney is a slam dunk, and this whole thing could head south real quick. Watching the last guy they had hope for, go down in flames quick, is a real gut check.

Cycloptichorn
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2011 08:23 pm
I kind of like the theory that the value of Cain to the GOP is psychological. As long as they can keep him around, he immunizes them against any accusations of racism, because "See? How can we be racist with our very own black running?"

Also, I think that if Cain has the sense God gave a black walnut, he knows that he is not running a real presidential campaign but rather a 'maximize my paycheck as a motivational speaker and Fox News coorespondent' campaign.

So, in at least those two ways, this whole 'how-many-ladies-did-Herman-harrass' whoop-de-do is nothing but reality show entertainment.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2011 09:49 pm
Now the Republicans seem to be eating each other...
Quote:
The New York Times
November 2, 2011
Cain Says Perry Is Orchestrating a Smear Campaign

by Jeff Zeleny, Jim Rutenberg and Michael D. Shear.

WASHINGTON — A defiant Herman Cain accused Gov. Rick Perry of Texas, a Republican rival, of orchestrating a smear campaign to destroy his presidential candidacy, as additional accusations emerged Wednesday that Mr. Cain made unwanted sexual overtures to women while he led the National Restaurant Association more than a decade ago.

As he sought to contain the fallout that consumed his campaign for a third day, Mr. Cain shifted his blame from the news media to the Perry campaign. He accused a top political adviser to Mr. Perry of leaking details of one allegation, saying the adviser learned of it while working for Mr. Cain’s failed bid for the Senate in 2004.

A spokesman for Mr. Perry called the suggestion “reckless and false,” and denied that the campaign was the source of the disclosures that have roiled the race for the Republican presidential nomination. Mr. Cain took aim at his rival after The Associated Press reported that a third woman had come forward with an allegation of sexual harassment at the restaurant association in the 1990s.

“We now know and have been able to trace it back to the Perry campaign that stirred this up, in order to discredit me and slow us down,” Mr. Cain told supporters by phone Wednesday evening.

The events left the Republican presidential race mired in claims and counterclaims brought about by the sexual harassment allegations, with Mr. Cain blaming Mr. Perry, whose campaign in turn raised the possibility that Mitt Romney’s campaign could be behind the disclosure of the allegations. A spokeswoman for Mr. Romney replied simply, “Not true.”

While Mr. Cain’s accusations briefly turned the attention away from him, interviews with more than a dozen people over the last three days paint a picture of his 1996-99 tenure at the National Restaurant Association that is at odds with his insistence that he never harassed anyone. Several people who worked at the association said they knew of episodes that women said had made them uncomfortable dealing with Mr. Cain.

One of the women whose accusations of sexual harassment led to a paid severance agreement has decided against speaking publicly about her side of the story, her lawyer said Wednesday. The lawyer, Joel P. Bennett, said he would instead ask the restaurant association on Thursday to allow him to release a statement on his client’s behalf that would make it clear, without violating a confidentiality agreement she signed, that her version of events is different from the account that Mr. Cain has offered.

Mr. Bennett said the statement would not go into minute details of her experience with Mr. Cain. “It’s unpleasant and it’s sensational and she does not want to do that,” he said in an interview. He added, “She has a life to live and a career, and she doesn’t want to become another Anita Hill.”

Chris Wilson, who worked as a pollster at the association, recalled in an interview that an incident involving a woman at a suburban Washington restaurant had made several observers uncomfortable. He would not say what Mr. Cain said to the woman or whether she responded at the time. He did not provide any other details.

“If she comes out and talks about it, like I said, it’ll probably be the end of his campaign,” Mr. Wilson said in an earlier interview on KTOK, a radio station in Oklahoma, where he lives. “It was only a matter of time, because so many people were aware of what took place, so many people were aware of her situation — the fact she left. Everybody knew, with the campaign, that this would eventually come up.”

Mr. Wilson, who is a partner at a Republican polling firm, is supporting Mr. Perry and is working for Make Us Great Again, the “super PAC” run by one of Mr. Perry’s former top aides. In the 1990s, he worked for Tony Fabrizio, a leading Republican pollster who is a senior adviser to Mr. Perry’s campaign.

But in an interview with The New York Times, Mr. Wilson denied having provided any information to Politico.com, which first reported the harassment allegations on Sunday.

“I had nothing to do with leaking this in any way,” he said, “and I’ve never discussed or shared this story with any of my clients — period.”

The Associated Press reported Wednesday that the third woman had considered filing a workplace complaint against Mr. Cain over incidents that she said included an invitation to his apartment.

While Mr. Cain sought to project an air of normalcy around his campaign, he appeared far more agitated than earlier in the week. At one point, he screamed, “Excuse me! Excuse me! Excuse me!” as a scrum of photographers surrounded him.

The intensifying questions were putting Mr. Cain’s tenure at the National Restaurant Association under a microscope, and interviews with several former employees painted a picture of a chief executive who was always game to socialize with his staff. Living away from his family while working at the association headquarters in Washington, he was as ready to go out after work as were many of the younger, single employees, similarly free from family obligations, several former staff members said.

The gatherings had a mix of restaurant industry bravado, innuendo and joking, these people said, and Mr. Cain joined right in, setting the scene for at least one of the accusations of inappropriate conduct, people familiar with the incident said, but also for other interactions that left staff members wondering whether he had crossed a line.

Mr. Cain’s decision not to respond to the allegations in detail, and the addition of new descriptions of allegations, seemed likely to keep pressure on him and the association to provide more information about the accusations.

The unusually fierce exchanges between the rival Republican campaigns injected a new dynamic into the presidential nominating contest, which is set to begin with the Iowa caucuses on Jan. 3. In an interview with Forbes, Mr. Cain identified an operative working for the Perry campaign, Curt Anderson, as the source of the information being used against him, and Mr. Cain’s aides hit the Perry campaign even harder.

“The actions of the Perry campaign are despicable,” Mark Block, the chief of staff to Mr. Cain, said on Fox News’s “Special Report” program. “Rick Perry and his campaign owe Herman Cain and his family an apology.”

The episode provided an unusual window into the inner workings of political campaigns, where operatives often switch allegiances from election to election to work on different races. Mr. Cain has built his appeal as a political outsider who has never held elective office, but during his 2004 bid for a Senate seat in Georgia, he employed two advisers who joined Mr. Perry’s campaign two weeks ago.

One was Mr. Anderson, and the other was Mr. Fabrizio, who is well known in Republican circles and was Bob Dole’s pollster in the 1996 presidential race. In the interview with Forbes, Mr. Cain said he had told Mr. Anderson in 2003 about one sexual harassment case in preparation for the Senate race. It was another new explanation from Mr. Cain, who had previously described the matter as a “witch hunt.”

If Mr. Cain had previously outlined the allegations to his campaign consultants, it remains unclear why, in his account, he has struggled to remember the details now. Mr. Anderson said Wednesday evening that he had not been aware of the sexual harassment case involving Mr. Cain until he read about it this week. He said he liked and respected Mr. Cain, but added: “Herman needs to issue an apology to me. That’s what needs to happen.”

It remained an open question how the sexual harassment allegations — and the accusations against the Perry campaign — would play politically for Mr. Cain. While many conservative leaders have voiced their support for him, his abrupt shift from blaming the news media and the liberal left to suggesting that one of his rivals was plotting against him could cause a new divide in the Republican Party.

Mr. Fabrizio said he met Mr. Cain in 1993 and has had a cordial relationship with him ever since. He said he was “very fond” of Mr. Cain, but decided to work for Mr. Perry because he believed that the governor was the strongest Republican candidate.

“Do people on the right want to take him down? None that I’m aware of,” Mr. Fabrizio said. “There are people competing with him to be the nominee. By being the nominee, that means winning.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/03/us/politics/herman-cain-accuses-rick-perry-of-smear-campaign.html


At this point, I don't think it matters how many women come forward to complain about Cain, he's handled the issue so badly he's clearly not ready for prime time. And, with the candidates turning on each other this way, they will do nothing to further a win for their party in 2012.

And Obama's poll ratings have gone up...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2011 09:50 pm
@snood,
Yes, I agree; it sells newspapers and media time.
I just wonder how legit a candidate he will be come next Nov?
snood
 
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Reply Wed 2 Nov, 2011 10:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I predict he'll drop out before January
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 05:07 am
I suspect Cain's main reason for this campaign is to pull the agenda to the right, and to force his views on taxation and abortion into the debate.
snood
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 06:20 am
@Setanta,
You think he's that deliberate, or do you think he's acting on the desires of more calculating people?
georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 06:54 am
@snood,
None of can know Cain's motives for sure (or those of any one else either). However, Setanta's expressed views are at least plausible.

What exactly do you mean by the inference that other, "more calculating" people may be involved?

I have heard several political commentators referring to supposed "minstrel behavior" on the part of right wing black political figures. Evidently these commentators believe (and some even explicitly assert) that no black person can honestly think or act outside the context of what they refer to as "the black experience or collective memory". They go on to suggest that any who do express such out of context ideas, cannot possibly be thinking for themselves as individuals, but instead must be dancing (playing minstrel) for the favor and money of unseen calculating white oppressors.

I find this to be a rather amazing and offensive assertion. Moreover it denies the essence of the proposition of individual equality and freedom that clearly underlies all the rest of their political aims with respect to racial issues. The truth here is that blacks, like everyone else, are often exploited by their own group of self-serving opportunistic political leaders who would keep them in the dependent herd simply to foster the power and prominence of these self appointed "leaders". To the degree that such exploiters are successful in fostering such group think, the folks in the herd (whether black or any other group) remain duped, exploited and unfree.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 07:11 am
@Setanta,
Which view on abortion?
He's for the women having choice and he's for no abortions at all.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 07:16 am
@parados,
These views are not incompatable. He want's the Federal government to stay out of the question entirely.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 07:20 am
@parados,
That's a good point. However, he has a long history of being a "pro-life" activist, opposing abortion even in cases of rape or incest. He's been a real greenhorn, though, and was blindsided by the abortion issue shortly before being blindsided on allegations of sexual harrassent. His career here as a candidate could serve as a primer for how not to do it.
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 07:23 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

These views are not incompatable. He want's the Federal government to stay out of the question entirely.

How's he going to make abortion illegal if he let's women make the choice?


Herman Cain wrote:
"I believe that abortion should be illegal. I've always felt that way. I believe life begins at conception."

If it's illegal then the government is not staying out of the question.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 08:16 am
@parados,
My understanding of Cain's position is that he believes abortion should be a matter for the states to decide as they (and their voters) wish.

That shouldn't be too hard for you to understand - that is if understanding is what you really want here.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 3 Nov, 2011 08:27 am
@georgeob1,
That's rich . . . you've got Cain's statement right in front of you, a position which he has maintained, publicly and loudly, for years. But you want to take his waffle statment of a few weeks ago and hold that up as an example of how reasonable he is. It suffices for you that someone appears to have conservative credientials for you to defend them.
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