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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
JPB
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 07:18 am
@spendius,
I think George Washington explained it better than I could. From his farewell address.

Quote:
All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests.

However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.

...


I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.

This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.

There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the government and serve to keep alive the spirit of liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in governments of a monarchical cast, patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.


Emphasis added.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 07:51 am
@djjd62,
That's far too easy dj. It lets off Media and it lets off the public. And it can't cure anything because the politicians are winners in the conditions we have. Why would a successful politician want to reform Media when he won his election with it?

The incident at 41 seconds is the video Tico showed us suggests Mr Cain is not bothered about Media. Let them vote him down because he is alleged to have upset a couple of ladies. Aaaaaaaahh!! And the others will notice and suck up to the ladies. Let's see what that gets them he might well say. The henpecked politician.

CBS News had a scientific study last week that showed that smokers are more likely to get lung cancer if they take vitamin E supplements. So what else might smokers take, or do, that increases their chances of developing cancer. It might not be the smoke at all such are the number of possibilities. Welding say. Not laughing enough. Taking themselves too seriously like Narcissus famously did. Even if it's a fairy tale the point might be valid. That puff on the cigarette speaks volumes to me about Mr Cain. He might be a bloody statesman.

But I can't see the US tolerating two black guys slugging it out all year. What does that say about white guys when the black guys didn't grow up thinking anybody can make it to the WH. So getting rid of Mr Obama might be the thing and having a Cain/Mrs Clinton dust up. That might be good. He could prove how she can tell lies because she didn't say what any woman would say about her husband's inappropriate behaviour and express a desire to hang him up by the thumbs and flog him with a length of barbed wire.

The treble nine is a good bet to get your first dart in on an 87 outshot. It's easy to follow for the audience. Audiences like that. It's a gimmick to get started. Those who such a fiscal plan is beneficial for, and Mr Cain must have worked out that there is a considerable number, will promote it. A leap in the polls. He is an expert on tickling the taste buds. You need to be to sell shite like bloody pizza. And he knows that the argument about it will be so confusing that the voters will be no nearer on it by election day so he is going to try to look like a statesman. Our Queen, who we always speak of with respect, is well used to meeting black statesmen and black statesmen are well used to talking to each other bluntly.

Thanks Tico for pointing it out. It was easily missed. It wasn't like a smoke signal in a John Wayne movie. I'd write to him if I was you asking if it really meant what some Limey lunatic you know said it did.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 08:26 am
@JPB,
I can't say JP that I'm all that bothered about what Mr Washington said. So I'm sorry but with all due respect I feel I must forbear reading through what I consider to be woffle. Maybe it wasn't woffle in those days but we must remember that the audience then was illiterate. More or less.

It's rubbish now as far as I'm concerned. It probably all comes from Catholic theological tomes of one sort or another. That must be why he never told a lie>>barf, barf, snickersnicker grinning sheepishly<<.

Factions were a big nuisance to Popes. And He never forgot to take human nature into account as I think Mr Washington might have done. There's factions everywhere you look. So you can tell from that how much notice anybody took of his advice. Or the Pope's for that matter.

The role of modern Media in our current difficulties is far more interesting despite being somewhat resistant to a convincing articulation mainly because Media is diverting attention in other directions and often expressing indignation about them. The medium is the message after all.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 09:08 am
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/11/01/316040/romney-solamere-ponzi/

Mitt Romney has ties to the Stanford ponzi scheme group...

Cycloptichorn
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 09:18 am
@Walter Hinteler,
And this is relevant because?

I believe this was Virginia. LCRC is a county Republican Party organization. The State Republican Party condemned the ad and demanded the county organization apologize.

I can't read the captions in the lower left cartoon, but I wouldn't have objected to this except for the personalized zombies of Obama and Pelosi. They are over the top.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 09:21 am
@Ticomaya,
Ticomaya wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
... I will tell you without a doubt that there is nobody who has read more articles from them than I have, seeing as I read basically everything on their site, every single day, and have since the day they began publishing.

A little surprising to see you say that, given that you also said:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
I dislike Politico for the exact same reason you like them. I've also found that they have very little journalistic integrity; they will run the thinnest, poorest-sourced, most inaccurate articles of any major news source.



Yup - it's for the same reason I also read NRO, drudge, and hotair every day. Oppo research.

Cycloptichorn
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 10:10 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I like to throw gopusa into the mix - to see what the justfolks are saying.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 10:14 am
@ehBeth,
Ewww!

This blogger shares my opinion of Politico:

Quote:
Razing Cain

by John Cole

While Cain’s bizarre and shifting responses to the sexual harassment charges are interesting, I think the weirdest thing about this whole incident is what provoked it. Who fed this to the Politico, because we know for a fact they weren’t doing due diligence on Cain and just stumbled across it. They don’t do journalism, they do rumor and innuendo and fluff pieces, mixed in with planted trial balloons and horse race analysis and he said she said crap from anonymous sources and unnamed officials.

So who fed them this? Rove? The Romney team?


http://www.balloon-juice.com/2011/11/01/razing-cain/

He's correct that Politico is a gossip rag and little more.

Cycloptichorn
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 11:01 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
It might be a Dem stunt Finn to make the Reps look like Goebbels. Walt's a pretty liberal sort of guy so he would want it shown more widely.

The Reps must have wanted to look like Goebbels if they did it.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 11:19 am
The Dems don't need to do a single thing to make the GOP look bad, Spendi. They do that all on their own.

I doubt Perry is going to receive a lot of popular support for his tax plan -

http://media.mcclatchydc.com/smedia/2011/10/31/19/50/j0pza.La.91.jpg

Cycloptichorn
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 11:22 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

And this is relevant because?


I'd thought is was relevant because (quote from the invitation email) "[it is] a great way to represent our candidates to a ton of voters (and their kids) just before the election.” (end of quote)
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 11:33 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

And this is relevant because?


I'd thought is was relevant because (quote from the invitation email) "[it is] a great way to represent our candidates to a ton of voters (and their kids) just before the election.” (end of quote)


I missing it, but that's fine.

You're such a puckish Tueton Walter. Cool
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 11:39 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

It might be a Dem stunt Finn to make the Reps look like Goebbels. Walt's a pretty liberal sort of guy so he would want it shown more widely.

The Reps must have wanted to look like Goebbels if they did it.


Nope, it's not a Dem stunt. It was the stunt of a county Republican Party committee. As I indicated the State committee has condemned it and told the County committee to apologize.

I think the big stink about it is that Obama Zombie appears to have a bullet hole in his head.

I think all the malarky about symbols that might incite violence, is just that, but I think rendering images of actual individuals in this sort of cartoon fashion is childish and inappropriate when done by an arm of the party.

Tempest in a tea pot.
Ceili
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 11:50 am
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s320x320/390130_10150353454541121_558221120_8323494_643452634_n.jpg
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 11:54 am
@Ceili,
Is this a response or simply a statement?
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 12:02 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I was just trying to put the best spin on it. Your even-handed fair-mindedness does you credit Finn.

I gather that Big O has stopped smoking. That's not on. The voters voted for a smoker. There's a big difference between a smoker and a non-smoker. Especially a fresh non-smoker.

The Quacks use nicotine to treat brain degeneration. It's a brain stimulant. The non-smokers will deny the difference but experience in pub conversations highlights it scientifically. Non-smokers talk about what they had for breakfast, what they had for dinner and what they had for supper, what they did on their holidays, and such like whereas smokers are more concerned with intellectual theories.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 12:03 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

I think the big stink about it is that Obama Zombie appears to have a bullet hole in his head.


Exactly, everybody knows that if you want to kill a zombie, you shoot it in the head. It's just really sloppy thinking, if they'd researched it properly they would have shown him with his guts hanging out.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 12:03 pm
@Ceili,
Mr Goldwater has his chips pissed on at the polling booths I read.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 12:04 pm
@izzythepush,
Or gnawing on a leg.
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Ceili
 
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Reply Tue 1 Nov, 2011 12:06 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Nope, just found it. It makes sense here and down south...
 

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