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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2011 06:50 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
What sells is the "simplicity" of how it sounds; most people don't understand the consequences. It will tax the middle class more, and provide for more tax breaks to the rich. Some people will "never get it," and they vote.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2011 07:06 pm
@cicerone imposter,
But Perry also brought up the "birther" issue again, which not only distracts from his tax plan, it diminishes him as a serious contender.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2011 07:24 pm
@firefly,
I agree; but that's just one of many failures of the current GOP candidates. They're not talking about the important issues of our day (jobs and pay not keeping up with inflation), but spend an inordinate amount of time blasting Obama on issues that should backfire on them such as Iraq (Bush started this longest war), homeland security (Obama got rid of bin Laden, and assisted Lybians get rid of their tyrant leader without putting our troops on the ground), and national defense (Obama has better record on national security than GW Bush, and on foreign policies). They probably haven't been privy to the news the past few months.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2011 09:39 am
The latest NYT poll on the economy is absolutely devastating to the GOP position.

http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/6685/nytcbsjobspoll1.gif

http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/6685/cbsnytjobspoll3.gif

If the GOP candidates continue to show obstinate in the face of Obama's attempts to do something to make the economy better, they will suffer a heavy price at the polls next year for it.

Cycloptichorn
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2011 10:39 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
and assisted Lybians get rid of their tyrant leader without putting our troops on the ground),


I think "assisted the French and the British to assist Libyans to get rid of their tyrant leader" might be more accurate.

Quote:
. They probably haven't been privy to the news the past few months.


You probably make any old idiocy up as you go along.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2011 11:15 am
Obama is leading all challengers in a Quinnipiac poll of OH:

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1322.xml?ReleaseID=1666

Quote:
President Barack Obama's job approval rating and re-elect numbers remain underwater among Ohio voters, who disapprove 51 - 43 percent and say 49 - 44 percent the president does not deserve a second term, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds.

Despite his negative scores, the president leads potential Republican challengers:

47 - 39 percent over Cain;
45 - 41 percent over Romney;
47 - 36 percent over Perry.


The GOP is so unpopular in FL and OH, it's really difficult to see how they are going to turn this around and win those states next year - and it will be critical for them to win both in order to capture the presidency.

Cycloptichorn
parados
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2011 11:25 am
@Cycloptichorn,
The problem for all the candidates is who doesn't come out to vote.

Obama could lose if everyone disillusioned by him stays home.
Romney will lose if evangelicals don't turn out to vote.

Polls are only as good as they can predict turn out.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2011 11:56 am



Romney is NOT our guy.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2011 12:02 pm
@H2O MAN,
GOPers are gonna try to draft Bozo the Clown. Hes free, hes dressed up, hes ready to serve you.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2011 12:09 pm
@farmerman,
Well- they have to find a clown after one won last time. It's been obvious for a long time that Nobel Prize winners are disqualified.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2011 12:33 pm
@Setanta,
I didn't realize we were keeping score.

My point is that it is entirely predictable that liberal newsmedia and pundits will, motivated by nothing but the milk of human kindness, helpfully warn Republicans about becoming too ideologically focused. That by doing so they are reporting to their readers and viewers that Republican leaders are too extreme as a fact, never crosses their mind.

My associated point is that 99.999% of the time liberals are laughing and sneering at or condemning comments made by Pat Robertson. This latest comment is the .001%, when he says something that seemingly fits their point of view and then suddenly it is "See? Even Pat Robinson, the most extreme of extreme ideologues thinks the Republican base is too extreme." It's intellectually dishonest.

And it's foolish. Robinson doesn't think the Republican base is too ideologically extreme. Due tp the evangelical connection, he is a huge supporter of Rick Perry. Perry, as you know, has stumbled because of positions and statements he has made about immigration and vaccines. He has stumbled not only because he seems to have revealed a side that doesn't align with the Base, but when challenged he resorted to the classic liberal trope that conservatives are mean. If Perry had not come under fire from the Base, Robinson wouldn't have made this comment.

Regardless, the man is a loon, and no one should be taking anything he says seriously, least of all liberals who think he is worse than a loon.

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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2011 12:34 pm
@Butrflynet,
You're right to suspect Robinson, but for the wrong reason.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2011 12:40 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

But Perry also brought up the "birther" issue again, which not only distracts from his tax plan, it diminishes him as a serious contender.


Unfortunately Perry is a bumbler. Campaigning in Texas is a lot different than campaigning at the national level. It remains to be seen if he can get his footing back.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2011 12:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I agree; but that's just one of many failures of the current GOP candidates. They're not talking about the important issues of our day (jobs and pay not keeping up with inflation), but spend an inordinate amount of time blasting Obama on issues that should backfire on them such as Iraq (Bush started this longest war), homeland security (Obama got rid of bin Laden, and assisted Lybians get rid of their tyrant leader without putting our troops on the ground), and national defense (Obama has better record on national security than GW Bush, and on foreign policies). They probably haven't been privy to the news the past few months.


God Grief but this is nonsense.

You're obviously not paying attention to anything they are saying.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2011 02:02 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
You're obviously not paying attention to anything they are saying.

Neither are most Republican voters.
Quote:
The New York Times
October 25, 2011
New Poll Finds a Deep Distrust of Government
By JEFF ZELENY and MEGAN THEE-BRENAN

With Election Day just over a year away, a deep sense of economic anxiety and doubt about the future hangs over the nation, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll, with Americans’ distrust of government at its highest level ever.

The combustible climate helps explain the volatility of the presidential race and has provided an opening for protest movements like Occupy Wall Street, to highlight grievances about banks, income inequality and a sense that the poor and middle class have been disenfranchised.

Almost half of the public thinks the sentiment at the root of the Occupy movement generally reflects the views of most Americans.

With nearly all Americans remaining fearful that the economy is stagnating or deteriorating further, two-thirds of the public said that wealth should be distributed more evenly in the country. Seven in 10 Americans think the policies of Congressional Republicans favor the rich. Two-thirds object to tax cuts for corporations and a similar number prefer increasing income taxes on millionaires.

On Tuesday, the Congressional Budget Office released a new study concluding that income distribution had become much more uneven in the last three decades, a report that could figure prominently in the battle over how to revive the economy and rein in the federal debt.

The poll findings underscore a dissatisfaction and restlessness heading into the election season that has been highlighted through competing voices from the Occupy Wall Street and Tea Party movements, a broad anti-Washington sentiment and the crosscurrents inside both parties about the best way forward.

Not only do 89 percent of Americans say they distrust government to do the right thing, but 74 percent say the country is on the wrong track and 84 percent disapprove of Congress — warnings for Democrats and Republicans alike.

Republican voters remain unenthused about their options to challenge President Obama next year, as the competition intensifies among Mitt Romney, Gov. Rick Perry of Texas and other contenders. The uncertainty has provided an opening for Herman Cain, who was viewed more enthusiastically by Republican primary voters than were other Republican candidates.

The approval rating for Mr. Obama, 46 percent, appears to be elevated by positions he has taken on foreign affairs. Sixty percent of those questioned said they approve of his handling of Iraq, a question added to the poll after his announcement last Friday that American troops would come home by the end of the year.

But the president, whose disapproval rating is also 46 percent, also faces mixed signals from the public about his latest job-creation proposals. While the poll found substantial support for the plan’s individual components, more than half of the public say he lacks a clear plan for creating jobs, despite his extensive travels around the country over the last six weeks selling his proposals.

With the nation’s unemployment rate at 9.1 percent, income inequality remains a palpable issue for Americans. Nearly 9 in 10 Democrats, two-thirds of independents and just over one-third of all Republicans say that the distribution of wealth in the country should be more equitable, even as a majority of Republicans said they think it is fair.

The poll showed the depth of malaise in the air as the president intensifies his re-election campaign and Republican candidates implore voters to give them a look.

“I don’t want to blanket the whole government that way, but it’s getting scary,” said Jo Waters, 87, a Democrat and a retired hospital administrator from Pleasanton, Calif., speaking in a follow-up telephone interview. “Everything is for the wealthy. This used to be a lovely country, but everything is sliding.”

With the nation’s first Republican nominating contests just two months away, a large majority of primary voters have yet to make up their minds about the candidate they hope becomes their nominee. About 8 in 10 Republican primary voters said it was still too early to tell whom they will support, and just 4 in 10 said they had been paying a lot of attention to the race.

Mr. Cain, the former chief executive of Godfather’s Pizza, is riding the latest wave of support among Republican primary voters that has placed him in a statistical dead heat with Mr. Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts. Support for Mr. Perry has weakened to 6 percent, placing him among the second-tier candidates with the former House speaker Newt Gingrich and Representative Ron Paul of Texas.

Congressional Republicans are viewed even worse than the president, with 71 percent of the public saying the party does not have a clear plan for creating jobs. And support for several other Republican proposals is more tepid than for Mr. Obama’s initiatives to lift the economy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/26/us/politics/poll-finds-anxiety-on-the-economy-fuels-volatility-in-the-2012-race.html?_r=1

Overall, I think those poll results are more favorable for Obama than for any of the Republican candidates. Clearly, there is no one Republican candidate who is exciting, or appealing to Republican voters right now.
The more that Obama can ally himself with the sense of dissatisfaction that middle class voters feel, as he is already doing, and continue to blame the Congressional Republicans (or Congress in general) for stymieing progress and relief, the stronger his position will become.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2011 02:33 pm
@firefly,
That may be, but those Republican voters (unlike Cy) aren't commenting on the relevance of what the candidates are saying.

It's too early to draw any conclusions about Obama's strength vs the Republican Nominees.

Not because things can change (which of course is true) but because there is no actual person in the role of Republican Nominee. To some extent this is both an advantage and a disadvantage for Obama, but both will be wiped away once a nominee is named.

At that point everyone who is likely to vote will be paying attention to what the two candidates are saying and polling might be more informative.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2011 03:42 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn, I disagree simply based on the public's rating of congress, and the mid-40 rating for Obama.

If anyone has paid any attention to why Obama's administration is hang-tied to do anything for the American people or our economy is the No Party/GOP.

Not all are blinded by party-politics.

In addition to all that, people will begin to understand Cain and Perry's income tax plans that will cost the middle class more money, and give bigger tax breaks to the rich. This "news" is just now taking hold, and even those who don't read or hear the media will begin to understand these "truths."
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2011 03:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

If anyone has paid any attention to why Obama's administration is hang-tied to do anything for the American people or our economy is the No Party/GOP.

Not all are blinded by party-politics.



Indeed, which is why Obama's approval rate is not rising no matter how much he tries to blame congress for his failed policies.

When the American people express their displeasure for congress, they are not simply rating Republicans. It's not as if the Democrats in congress enjoy a favorable rating, but the damned GOP is dragging everyone's score down.

Try as hard as he might (and he's certainly trying hard), Obama will not be running against congress in November of 2012.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2011 03:55 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
In a way Obama is running against congress; the GOP. Their rhetoric of lower taxes for the rich, and cut spending at all levels of government affects labor - including unions, police, firefighters, and teachers. That's a bad place to be in any election.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2011 04:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Not "in a way," he's very definately running against the GOP in congress.

The problem is it's not doing him much good, and once the Republicans have a nominee he won't be able to do it anymore.

You guys keep telling us what a good position Obama is in and what a lousy position the Republicans are in. I'm glad you're so confident but it sounds like whistling past the graveyard to me.
 

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