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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2011 09:24 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I've heard of it, but what does it mean? "Beeswax?"
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2011 09:29 pm
@cicerone imposter,
This came from the days when smallpox was a regular disfigurement. Fine ladies would fill in the pocks with beeswax. However when the weather was very warm the wax might melt. But it was not the thing to do for one lady to tell another that her makeup needed attention. Hence the sharp rebuke to "mind your own beeswax!"

Got this from a website. I didn't know what it meant either.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2011 10:26 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Thanks, Finn. Always wondered how that term came into being; heard it long ago, but never knew what it meant.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2011 01:09 am
@cicerone imposter,
Damn!! The things one learns on this site. I knew it meant mind your own business but dident know what the reference to beeswax meant.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2011 02:27 am
@Setanta,
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and the press (largely owned and controlled by conservatives)


I can't imagine how anybody, least of all a supposedly intelligent person, could misread the actual situation quite so badly as that.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2011 03:01 am
@plainoldme,
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What about the high school seniors who give birth to their boyfriends' babies and then show up at a college in the fall, and sit and gossip during their classes or text constantly? The babies would be better off aborted.


That's charming innit? Those babies sound better off to me than those of mothers who sit assiduously taking down the drivel your lessons are putting forth and spending their evenings committing them to memory so that you will approve of them.

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Women have used abortifacients probably since Cro-Magnon days.


I presume "probably" means that you are indulging in a self-reassuring guess. Ovid mentions telling Corinna, who procured herself an abortion, to "never do that again".

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What if the motherly instinct says not to have this child?


One might imagine such an instinct, which is a myth, would lead her to avoid getting fucked unless she is one of that very small number of mentally retarded women who are unaware that ******* causes babies.

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Has anyone who is against abortion for religious reasons ever considered that perhaps God wanted people to figure out how to abort a fetus?


Such an idea has never entered my head and it amazes me that it has entered somebody else's.

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Perhaps, the woman is glad that she aborted a child who is mentally or physically defective.


Perhaps she is but how many of the other 50 million were mentally and physically defective. And how do you define mentally and physically defective? Are you a fascist pom?

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Perhaps, she is glad that she aborted a child she could not afford to adequately feed, clothe and shelter.


But she can't and doesn't feed, clothe and shelter the child. Society does. It is society that is abandoning this unborn babe and casting it in bits into an incinerator.

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I say the unnatural woman gives her child up for adoption particularly when the adopting couple are Christian, right-wing conservative Republicans.


At least the kid isn't dead. I can't say I would have particularly minded being placed in a Duke's family at birth. One with three daughters for preference.

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First of all, what extreme secrecy?


I have covered that here more than once. Do you not read the thread?

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Second, perhaps to protect herself from the pro-life fanatics.


Not from me and I can't answer for those you have in mind. But I must admit that I wouldn't ever kiss her passionately. She has unwomaned herself as far as I'm concerned.

I can't see any Republican candidates wasting any of their rhetoric on you pom.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2011 03:49 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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I think you have misinterpreted what I wrote unless you plan on making a pro-choice argument.


I have not misinterpreted what you wrote Finn. I do intend to be heartless in the manner of Swift's Modest Proposal. And I think your refusal to use the proper terminology of "pro-abortion" with a graphic description of what it entails is to fight on the wrong side. Euphemisms are too coy for me.

Right then- a touch of heartlessness.

Since Roe/Wade there have been about 50 million government approved abortions in the US in the 37 years since the dignitaries of the legal profession produced their green light for the destruction of unborn babies whilst still within the vessel evolution designed for their protection.

A back of a beer mat calculation in the pub led me to conclude that without this green light the US would now have an extra number of people under the age of 37 of about 80 million allowing that around half of the ones denied life would be old enough to have children of their own. Maybe 100 million.

Such a number in such a demographic would, I think, have produced an easy victory for Mr Obama and Democratic majorities in both the Senate and the Congress. Hence there would be no effective debate about punitive taxes on unearned incomes and particularly large ones.

Being the sort of persons likely to have such incomes in their dotage the members of the USSC who pressed the switch obviously saw that coming and took their decision to protect their unearned incomes, and those of others of their own station, by doing what they could to maintain the hegemony of the doddering freeloaders and sideline the dynamic younger proportion of the population.

It is obvious that those who availed themselves of this novel facility would not be Christians and would likely have produced children of a radical, left-leaning stamp. About 80 million of them.

Which means, I think, that left leaners are confused on this issue and are supporting a policy which negates their best efforts in other directions to bring forth a dynamic, youth oriented liberal agenda and supports the geriatricification of the US and exactly what conservatives want by reducing the voting capacity of the lower orders who engage habitually in promiscuous sexual activity which conservatives generally don't.

As Cecil Rhodes might have said in these circumstances--"**** them into punitive taxes on their fat-cat, unearned incomes."

You've been sapped.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2011 09:31 am
Back on topic,

While you bunch have been arguing about Abortion, Herman Cain has quietly pulled into the lead in almost every poll for the GOP nomination. He's the flavor of the month (the flavor that isn't Mitt Romney, anyway).

Rick Perry has released a flat-tax plan that zeroes out the estate tax and ALL capital gains taxes. But he also claims it will 'balance the budget.' The man is a complete joke.

I honestly can't see Perry or Cain beating Obama. Romney has a better chance, but not a great one. The nomination is shaping up about how I thought it would.

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2011 10:30 am
From NRO, hardly a Liberal rag:

http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda/281186/rick-perrys-maxtax-vs-stephen-moores-maxtax-reihan-salam

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Rick Perry’s MAXTAX vs. Stephen Moore’s MAXTAX
October 25, 2011 12:42 A.M.
By Reihan Salam

In the latest Wall Street Journal, Rick Perry offers his tax proposal. It is an embarrassment. Though there is more to Perry’s op-ed, I’ll limit my discussion (for now) to his reform of the personal income tax:
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The plan starts with giving Americans a choice between a new, flat tax rate of 20% or their current income tax rate. The new flat tax preserves mortgage interest, charitable and state and local tax exemptions for families earning less than $500,000 annually, and it increases the standard deduction to $12,500 for individuals and dependents.

This simple 20% flat tax will allow Americans to file their taxes on a postcard, saving up to $483 billion in compliance costs. By eliminating the dozens of carve-outs that make the current code so incomprehensible, we will renew incentives for entrepreneurial risk-taking and investment that creates jobs, inspires Americans to work hard and forms the foundation of a strong economy. My plan also abolishes the death tax once and for all, providing needed certainty to American family farms and small businesses.


The claim regarding compliance costs is absurd, as Americans will presumably have to determine their tax liability under the current tax code and under Rick Perry’s new “flat” tax code. Unlike the Hall-Rabushka flat tax, it arbitrarily preserves various exemptions and deductions for households earning less than $500,000.

Basically, everyone who pays less under the current tax code will choose Door No. 1 and everyone who would pay less under Rick Perry’s new alternative tax code will choose Door No. 2. Rick Perry’s proposal is not a flat tax. Rather, it is an alternative maximum tax or MAXTAX.

Back in 1996, Stephen Moore, now a member of the Wall Street Journal editorial board, proposed a MAXTAX. Moore’s proposal was in every respect more attractive than Perry’s:

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The feature that is missing from the flat tax is the right to choose. If some Americans don’t want to give up the current system, why force them to? Why not allow every taxpayer to choose between the current income tax system or an alternative post maximum tax (MAXTAX) with a flat rate of 25 percent of gross income that could be filled out on a postcard return? Only one deduction would be permitted under the MAXTAX: a credit for the payroll tax paid–7.65 percent for a salaried worker and 15.3 percent for a self-employed worker.


See that? Moore eliminated virtually all exemptions and deductions, leaving only a credit for payroll tax paid. And on top of that, his rate is considerably higher than Perry’s. Moreover, Moore doesn’t pretend that a MAXTAX would eliminate compliance costs. He only claims that it might lower than considerably, perhaps in acknowledgment of the fact that most households would have to compute their liability under both codes.

Essentially, what Perry has done is reverse the Buffett Rule. He has guaranteed that no American will ever pay more than 20 percent of her income in federal taxes. Indeed, affluent homeowners living in high-tax jurisdictions like New York city and Los Angeles earning up $499,000 will likely pay much less than that, as they’ll continue to have access to the mortgage interest, charitable and state and local tax exemptions. Under Moore’s MAXTAX, these households would be treated the same as affluent households in Houston or Palm Beach or Clinton, Iowa who for whatever reason (good sense?) choose to purchase less expensive homes.

This plan defies credulity. One is reminded of Tim Pawlenty’s tax and spending proposals, released shortly before he dropped out of the race for the Republican presidential nomination. The difference is that Perry has managed to raise a considerable sum of money. One wonders how much of it comes from various friends and allies who have been beneficiaries of the Texas Emerging Technology Fund, and whether the Obama campaign might see fit to mention that fact if Perry does indeed secure the Republican presidential nomination.


Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2011 10:35 am
@Cycloptichorn,
One thing for sure about Perry's tax plan; it'll increase jobs for tax preparers. Maybe, that' his job creation proposal.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2011 11:04 am
@Cycloptichorn,
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My plan also abolishes the death tax once and for all, providing needed certainty to American family farms and small businesses.


Mr Perry will need to bear in mind that if primogeniture is abolished, as I think it is more or less in the US, it takes very few generations for the farms to be split into smallholdings.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2011 11:15 am
snood
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2011 01:47 pm
Man! I sure hope Rick finds a way to break through and get that nomination!

Very Happy

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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2011 04:32 pm
@Butrflynet,
Interesting. The Pat Robertson piece seems to be sending the same warning that the Washington Post brought up in a post yesterday about the danger of an ideological base getting too far ahead of "electability."
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2011 04:46 pm
@realjohnboy,
What a shock!

A liberal newspaper warning Republicans that they are too ideologically pure.

It is something of a shock, however, to hear Pat Robertson voice the same warning, but then who thinks of Pat as the font of wisdom? Surely not liberals.
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2011 04:53 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Whether or not Robertson can be considered a source of wisdom is not the p0int as you well know. The point is that he had genuine, if whacky, conservative credentials. If he says they're too ideologically pure, it's a very different thing than a liberal source saying it. You know all that, you just hate to give up any points in a debate.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2011 05:01 pm
@Setanta,
Whoever heard of politicians being ideologically pure? Only Popes are ideologically pure.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2011 05:16 pm
Perry laid out his flat tax plan today. It will be interesting to see if he gets a populist/ideological boost like Cain's 9-9-9 idea did.
I think it will, getting him closer to Romney and Cain.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2011 05:58 pm
@realjohnboy,
That's how more than a few talking heads are interpreting his remarks. My take on it is the opposite. He's telling the right wingers to disguise their true ideology so they can get elected and then proceed with the agenda.

It is what they've been successfully doing on the local and state levels.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2011 06:01 pm
@Butrflynet,
I agree that it will have the opposite effect; the numbers in his plan don't even make the slightest bit of sense, and his proposal for an 'either-or' system is ridiculous. I can't see this plan standing up to serious questioning, any more than Cain's pizza-price plan did.

Cycloptichorn
 

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