The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

But that is a natural process and not an artificial one like having a vote in the USSC and setting up clinics with official sanction with the government taking taxes off the participants. The earnings of prostitutes are to be considered "immoral" and not those of abortionists and their staff eh?

What does an abortion do to the mental state of the woman when she matures fully? The extreme secrecy tells you the answer to that. She has denied her very nature.

There are a number of posters at this site that bloviate without really knowing what the hell they're talking about. Based on your recent responses (the only ones I've seen), I believe you may fall squarely in that category.

Your perception of the real world doesn't exist; your's is limited to your neighborhood pub. Trying to speak on anything outside that cloister only shows your ignorance. The earnings of prostitutes is no different than any other profession; there are cheats in all of them. You need to get out more.

That is how beliefs work! I take it that you did not even consider the short video that I shared with you?

You ask for explanation but are you really interested in other point of views?

Here it is again!

You are a bit confused, perhaps by your own circumloqutions.

You said;
To which I responded with the question

You haven't answered the question. In the first place, what does the phrase "a fetus a few days old" mean? Are you referring to the human zygote in the mother's uterus a few days after conception? Or are you referring to a living infant a few days after it was born?

Tico's original question related to the legal and moral status of a fetus at the late stages of pregnancy - one that will be viable outside the womb. He asked you & Cyclo to define the beginning of personhood from a legal and moral perspective.

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Technically, I should have said "embryo."

You are correct. Didn't consider it, didn't watch it. Is there a particular reason you believe I should?

Truthfully, any word that doesn't sound like a human baby will suffice for your purposes. Why not call it a "parasite"?

Are you kidding? I already go out 7 nights a week. And have done since I was demobbed. Holidays meeting strangers for short periods is like sex in condoms and not feeling any sense of individuality.

And I have been running a business for 35 years in which I never know what sort of person is coming through the gates next.

It occurs to me that the (obviously still intense and ongoing) controversies about "viability", "legal personhood" and such should be one self-evident argument in favor of leaving the decision about terminating pregnancies to individual women, their families and counselors. But that's just me.

There is a good reason to watch it but it is not because I believe it!
I sense that you are open minded to a point but I do think that it is possible for us all to miss many things because of our biases and the video seems to illustrate some of the problems we have!

You can call it anything you like; no skin off my nose.

You're too ignorant to understand biological terms that applies to humans as well as animals.

Abortion is popular with those men who do not take women's welfare into account at critical moments when the chips are down.

And that's about all there is to it. Their sophistries are predictable and any woman who takes any notice of them is in deep trouble whether she admits it or puts a brave face on it.

As for pro-abortionists being evolutionists there ought to be asylums to deal with such a madness.

Spendius I actually agree with you imagine that!
Yes there are some men who do that but it is not the only reason people have abortions but I am sure you know that.


I guess I was wrong about you knowing that!

It actually is the only reason for abortions. When a lady goes into eye-rolling mode she needs somebody to take care of her.

I know who the misogynists are.

The all knowing Spendius. Spendius the absolutist!

Breaking news Fox news report?

If a fetus is not capable of viability outside the woman's body it is not independent of her body. Therefore, the woman is entitled to make a choice regarding her body, and that choice should include her right to a termination of the pregnancy.

Not generally with regard to what they can do with their own bodies or elective medical procedures.

Being pro choice is not the same as pro abortion. Many women, who would not chose abortion for themselves, and many men who would not chose abortion for their wives or girlfriends, none-the-less support a woman's right to choose to terminate a pregnancy. Those whose religious or moral views are opposed to abortion would not make such choices for themselves, but they do not have the right to impose these attitudes and beliefs on those who do not share them or those who do not view the termination of a pregnancy as the equivalent of an act of murder.

Making abortions illegal would not stop them, it would simply force desperate women to once again resort to illegal back alley practitioners in situations which are considerably less safe, or to leave the country to obtain a legal abortion elsewhere, or, worst of all, to use drastic means of their own to self induce an abortion.

The issue of abortion really does not belong in a presidential race, except that the current crop of Republican candidates, in their zeal to energize and capture their right-wing conservative base, seems to be playing a game of "Who's the Biggest and Best Christian" with each other, and the abortion issue is a sure fire card to play in that regard. Meanwhile, abortion is legal in this country, and anyone who takes the oath as President must uphold that fact.

Rather than talk about abortion, or whether Romney's lawn care service included an illegal immigrant, it would behoove all of these potential candidates to more seriously focus on plans and programs that address the more urgent problems affecting most Americans, like the economy and health care.

Best post yet; and I agree.