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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 26 Sep, 2011 04:40 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

Pissed off in what way?
Congress as a 17% approval rating or some such....let's start there shall we?
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 26 Sep, 2011 04:48 pm
@hawkeye10,
And Mr Obama is reported as saying that the Eurozone is "scaring the world".

What's new in that? Europe has been shoving it up the ass of the world since Caractactus was a lad. And a good thing too.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 26 Sep, 2011 04:55 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
And Mr Obama is reported as saying that the Eurozone is "scaring the world"
He would be wise to keep his mouth shut, as it was always a race between the US and Europe to see which of us would trigger the next round of the global economic collapse (we got the first one with our WallStreet cum Vegas casino meltdown)...at the moment it looks like Europe has a slight lead but it could still go either way.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 26 Sep, 2011 07:27 pm
Over on the much smaller but broader thread entitled "The 2012 Presidential Election Discussion Thread" is talk about the apparent decision today to have the Supreme Court rule on the constitutionality of the health care bill RIGHT BEFORE the election. Breaking news.
That thread is designed to go beyond the Repub primaries to the general election.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 26 Sep, 2011 09:19 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

And Mr Obama is reported as saying that the Eurozone is "scaring the world".


"Eurozone" does have a sinister ring to it.

Sounds like a place where you might find yourself sterilized if you ignored the warning signs and wandered into it.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 26 Sep, 2011 10:37 pm
@hawkeye10,
Yes!!! I think that isent anyway near correct. I believe congress should have a 0% rating. I wonder who thinks any one of those crooks should be admired. The congress makes the laws the president applies them but most of the stupid voters blame the president for everything that goes wrong in government. Not that I am very proud of Obama but put the blame where it belongs, congress.
roger
 
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Reply Mon 26 Sep, 2011 10:54 pm
@RABEL222,
And if we don't want to blame Congress, there's still Bush.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 26 Sep, 2011 11:05 pm
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:

Over on the much smaller but broader thread entitled "The 2012 Presidential Election Discussion Thread" is talk about the apparent decision today to have the Supreme Court rule on the constitutionality of the health care bill RIGHT BEFORE the election. Breaking news.
That thread is designed to go beyond the Repub primaries to the general election.


This is news? I thought it was common knowledge for some time now.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 26 Sep, 2011 11:06 pm
@RABEL222,
You don't admire Gabby Gifford?
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roger
 
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Reply Mon 26 Sep, 2011 11:12 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
The breaking news is "The 2012 Presidential Election Discussion Thread".
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2011 03:40 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Sounds like a place where you might find yourself sterilized if you ignored the warning signs and wandered into it.


It's the US that has had sterilisation programmes Finn. Not Europe.

It's the US where there is talk of compulsory work. Not Europe.

It's the US where behaviourists are a power in the land. Not Europe.

Is there a seraglio at Fox News?

Have you read William Burroughs?

BTW--The UK is not in the Eurozone.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2011 04:34 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Have you read William Burroughs?


Interzone?
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2011 06:13 am
@sozobe,
sozobe wrote:
General note, I'm seeing increasing Christie chatter as Perry's goose is looking fairly cooked. It's getting very late in the game, I think it's unlikely that he'd jump in. But still possible.

Well, Perry proved it can be an advantage to enter the race fashionably late. And if today's New York Times has it right, a number of very big donors are virtually begging Christie to run.
JPB
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2011 09:21 am
@Thomas,
Christie is giving a big speech tonight. There's a lot of speculation that he'll take the opportunity to say 'Yay' or 'Nay' once and for all.

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*** The Christie buzz increases : Even though you have to take Chris Christie at his word that he isn’t running for president, the presidential buzz surrounding him is only increasing. Tonight, the New Jersey governor delivers a speech at the Reagan Library at 9:00 pm ET. The title of the speech is buzzworthy, too: “Real American Exceptionalism.” Per Christie’s office, the governor’s remarks will use Reagan's “transformative leadership to depict how the United States’ role and significance in the world is defined by who we are at home.” And then comes the quote from former New Jersey Gov. Tom Kean (R) that Christie is “very seriously” considering getting into the presidential contest. “It’s real,” Kean told National Review. “He’s giving it a lot of thought. I think the odds are a lot better now than they were a couple weeks ago.” Either Christie is having fun with all of this speculation, or something is afoot. The former is the more likely situation, but Christie probably needs to give one more unequivocal “no” to stop the speculation -- especially after Kean’s comments. He can EASILY stop this tonight, if he wants to; he’ll have a large forum to do it. Source
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2011 10:08 am
@JPB,
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Perhaps most damaging, he’s said that he doesn’t feel ready in his heart to run. If he does decide to run, this statement could come back to haunt him. His opponents—or should he win the nomination, the president’s campaign staffers—are sure to use those statements to raise questions about his leadership experience. After all, this is a man who’s served as governor for little more than a year, while his leading rivals would be Perry, who has spent 11 years as the governor of one of the nation’s largest states, and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, who led the Bay State for four years and Bain Capital for 14.

Even more concerning for Christie and his supporters? How that statement could be used to raise questions about whether he wants to be president at all. Most voters understand that there’s a certain amount of acting coy for the cameras that goes on at the beginning of a race to keep one’s name in the spotlight. But Christie’s bolder-than-usual denials about running and his statement about where his heart is could leave many wondering whether he’s capable of taking on what’s easily the world’s hardest job. After telling Diane Sawyer in April that he didn’t know if he felt “ready in his heart to be president,” he went on to say “I don’t want to, you know, participate in the vanity exercise just because people ask me to do it or because people say, ‘You could win.’ ”

Of course, Christie can always say he’s changed his mind. But the narrative of being lured into the job by wealthy, elite GOP backers like Ken Langone or David Koch is not likely to help him much with voters. As I’ve written before, I’d guess most people would like to think that someone running to be leader of the free world be someone who actually feels compelled to do the job. True leaders aren’t persuaded to go for an opportunity because there’s good money in it, or because they’re set up to win, or because a bunch of billionaires ask them to. They take it because they can’t imagine doing anything else.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-leadership/post/is-chris-christie-right-to-leave-voters-guessing/2011/04/01/gIQA1tOQzK_blog.html?hpid=z8

If he agreed to run at this point he would be toast.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2011 10:19 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Quote:
Sounds like a place where you might find yourself sterilized if you ignored the warning signs and wandered into it.


It's the US that has had sterilisation programmes Finn. Not Europe.

I'm not familiar with them but they don't seem to be working.

It's the US where there is talk of compulsory work. Not Europe.

Compulsory work in the sense that if you want to feed at the State's teat for your whole life you should at least give the appearence of singing for your supper?

It's the US where behaviourists are a power in the land. Not Europe.

What beaviorists might that be? Do you mean to say that Europe never got on the Skinner Express?

Is there a seraglio at Fox News?

I really couldn't say but if there is, I'm sure they import their eunuchs from the Eurozone.

Have you read William Burroughs?

William Tell Burroughs? Yes but not Interzone if that's where you're headed.

BTW--The UK is not in the Eurozone.

Which is why it's not scaring anyone except East Indian shopkeepers in London.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2011 11:09 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
It's the US that has had sterilisation programmes Finn. Not Europe.

I'm not familiar with them but they don't seem to be working.


I believe they were discontinued after it became apparent that the authors were completely insane.

Quote:
It's the US where there is talk of compulsory work. Not Europe.

Compulsory work in the sense that if you want to feed at the State's teat for your whole life you should at least give the appearence of singing for your supper?


It's a point of view and on the face of it seems like natural justice until you think of a new-born baby who has not had the chance to make such a deal or refuse it. By a coincidence my chocolate cake earlier came on a decorated side plate. It depicted a Liberty Bell almost as large as the two men posed on each side of it. One carrying a sword and the other a rifle and both looking as sternly at the viewer as one imagines lictors did when enforcing the edicts of the Consul Romanus. (Grave phrase). Liberty by order. Presumably because it makes the rich richer. I very much doubt that the rich would extoll the virtues of liberty if it made them poorer.

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It's the US where behaviourists are a power in the land. Not Europe.

What beaviorists might that be? Do you mean to say that Europe never got on the Skinner Express?


Europe started it running but was content to leave it to American entrepreurs to follow it out to its logical conclusions. Although we do a bit I've heard.

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I really couldn't say but if there is, I'm sure they import their eunuchs from the Eurozone.


Like the IMF Chief (ex). I had thought they might be cross-dressers.
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JPB
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2011 12:37 pm
Huntsman is all in in New Hampshire but may be out of the nationally televised debates.

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MANCHESTER, NH -- This morning, GOP presidential candidate Jon Huntsman confirmed what reporters on the campaign trail in New Hampshire have been seeing for weeks.

"We are going to focus singularly on New Hampshire," the former Utah governor said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe." This comes after Huntsman recently brought aboard a new state director, transferred staff from Florida to New Hampshire, upped his town hall appearances, and injected his own $500,000 to keep the operation afloat.

However, a one-state strategy could prove to be a problem for the campaign. The good news for Huntsman: His poll numbers are up in the Granite State, hitting 10% in last week's Suffolk/7News for a third-place finish ahead of Rick Perry. He said last week he is pleased with the momentum.

The bad news: Huntsman might have a national problem on his hands. To appear in the televised debates -- specifically CNN's debate next month -- Huntsman must poll at 2% to meet the minimum requirement. Right now, he is polling at 1%. So he has 20 days to boost his numbers nationally. This could require something of a national strategy, precisely the opposite of what the campaign has been doing as they roll back to focus on New Hampshire. The campaign would not comment on the matter.

Other news in the Huntsman world: Liberal filmmaker Michael Moore expressed major support for the former ambassador to China on CNN this week, calling him "reasonable." Source
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2011 12:53 pm
@JPB,
It often comes down to this.

Huntsman can't remain on the fringes and the GOP won't even let him if he's too far out on the fringe (i.e. debate invitations) and so he has to go for broke in a state in which he thinks he has some chance.

The obvious downside is that while he is working the hell out of New Hampshire, everyone in the rest of the country is forgeting about him. If he pulls off a miracle in NH what are Republican voters going to say:

"So this is where the guy went for all this time. Pretty crafty. I'm going to have vote for him my state's primary!"

or

"Geez what does the Granite State know that us South Carolinians or Floridians don't know. I'm going to have to really start listening to this guy and completely change my mind in the next 30 days."

The chances of him beating Romney in NH are so slim and the national benefit he accrues if he does is so meager that not only do you know that this is his Hail Mary pass, but that he's decided he's not dipping into the family fortune to keep the ride going.

At least spending the rest of the year in NH should be pretty pleasent. I hear there's even some people up there that speak Chinese.
JPB
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2011 12:57 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I liked him a lot in the beginning. I don't dislike him now but I've cooled somewhat since seeing him in the debates. He's probably the only one running so far that I'd vote for over Obama. I'd still probably vote for him (Huntsman) in the IL primary.
 

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