The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

@JPB,

I am certainly surprised by the number of people who claim that Perry is too extreme for 2012, that while he might have done well in 2008 things are better now so we will not take a chance on him, that we would rather go with the retread Romney whom we have already decided is not the right man for the job (last go around) because he is more mellow......2012 looks to be at least as bad a year economically as 2008 was, Perry's timing is PERFECT....desperate times require desperate measures and all that.

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@hawkeye10,

Who is this "we" you're referring to? We, the likely Republican primary voters? Or, we, the American people in the general election? You think Perry was electable in 2008 in the general election straight on the heals of GWB? Really?

I think Perry will do well in the Republican primaries. I don't think he would have done well in 2008.

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@JPB,

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I think Perry will do well in the Republican primaries. I don't think he would have done well in 2008

I the GOP had not stonewalled the Tea Party, had they put up a guy like Perry in 2008 we would have seen the Tea Party take off much more than it did. Would he have beat Obama? IDK, but they guy they ran was about a bad a candidate as is possible and he still got 46% of the vote. Would Perry with a energized Tea Party behind him have gotten the other 4%??

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Rick Perry's suits have the addition of something a tailor would call a "chest piece" to make him appear brawny. It's the male equivalent of a padded bra.

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The Repub debate in FL is tomorrow night, I believe.

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

Rick Perry's suits have the addition of something a tailor would call a "chest piece" to make him appear brawny. It's the male equivalent of a padded bra.

Says who?

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@hawkeye10,

Anyone who knows something about tailoring can tell. The guy is an actor, a wannabe, a fictional character.

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

Anyone who knows something about tailoring can tell. The guy is an actor, a wannabe, a fictional character.

IDK, I quick look around the web brings some unhappiness over the expense of his suits, but have not seen anyone making the claim you make.

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@hawkeye10,

You can't honestly think that anyone in the press knows anything about tailoring, do you? Now, think of men's suits in the 40s and 50s. Then acknowledge that there are things you just don't know and can't observe.

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

You can't honestly think that anyone in the press knows anything about tailoring, do you? Now, think of men's suits in the 40s and 50s. Then acknowledge that there are things you just don't know and can't observe.

it does not matter if I have expertise in the field or not....when I search the web and can not find anyone who makes the claims you do it calls your claim into doubt. Project Runway is a hot show,fashion design is in, if your claim was true I think people would be talking about it.

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

Then acknowledge that there are things you just don't know and can't observe.

But you, on the other hand, just know he's wearing the male falsey, or can observe it when less discerning eyes notice nothing, so we should all just take your word for it.

Did you study tailoring at Harvard?

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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I think Perry will do well in the Republican primaries. I don't think he would have done well in 2008
I the GOP had not stonewalled the Tea Party, had they put up a guy like Perry in 2008 we would have seen the Tea Party take off much more than it did. Would he have beat Obama? IDK, but they guy they ran was about a bad a candidate as is possible and he still got 46% of the vote. Would Perry with a energized Tea Party behind him have gotten the other 4%??

The Tea party didn't exist in Jan/Feb of 2008 when the first votes were cast for the GOP nominee. It didn't exist in Aug/Sept of 2008 when the GOP convention was held. It didn't appear until after the Nov election in 2008.

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@parados,

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It didn't appear until after the Nov election in 2008.

Yes. The shock to the GOP must have been seismic I should think.

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Hard to believe that Perry could get elected, when he clearly refuses to cover his heart while the Pledge of Allegiance is being said.

Wouldn't you Republicans agree?

Cycloptichorn

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

Rick Perry's suits have the addition of something a tailor would call a "chest piece" to make him appear brawny. It's the male equivalent of a padded bra.

Have you been inside one of his suits? Has he been in your bra?

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Interesting article (to me) in The Guardian today about Gary Johnson, who will be one of the debaters this time.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/sep/22/gary-johnson-republican-candidate

Hmmmm.
Wonder if he should run as an Independent.

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@ossobuco,

Personally, I think Gary Johnson would make an outstanding president. His chances of being elected or even nominated look like somewhere between slim and none.

If he ran as an independent, he would have about the same effect as Ralph Nader.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Hard to believe that Perry could get elected, when he clearly refuses to cover his heart while the Pledge of Allegiance is being said.

Wouldn't you Republicans agree?

Cycloptichorn

Interesting

Here's the source for the photo you've posted

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_09/obama_and_perry_geese_and_gand032368.php

From the blog:

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I can’t speak to the context — whether it was during the Pledge or the Anthem is unclear just by looking at it —

The following is a photo posted by NPR at http://www.npr.org/2011/09/19/140601828/will-tough-talk-on-immigration-repel-latino-voters

The caption reads:

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Republican presidential candidates (from left) Rep. Michele Bachmann, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and Texas Gov. Rick Perry cover their hearts during the playing of the national anthem before a Republican presidential debate on Sept. 12.

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2011/09/19/ap110911110754_wide.jpg?t=1316472577&s=4

This is the photo used in numerous on-line articles about the debate and they are all identified as having taken place during the singing of the anthem. One however (I believe it's the Atlanta Constitution) crops Bachmann and Romney out of the photo and identifies it as Perry covering his heart during the pledge. It is the identical image of Perry and so I can only assume the Atlanta Constitution got the caption wrong.

I watched that debate in it's entirety and while I clearly recall the anthem being sung, I don't at all recall the pledge being recited. If it happened, it was before the television airing began.

I'm wondering if the first photo isn't of the raising or the revealing of the flag prior to the event taking place, or if it was snapped before the anthem began. Note the figure to the right of Perry in the photo. It appears to be Ron Paul, and not only is his right hand not raised to his heart, his face is pointed away from where the other three are staring.

Hard to believe that Paul would have been too preoccupied with studying his notes to fail to participate in a recital of the pledge.

In any case it's a silly attempt at being smart-assed. Look at Perry's face in the first photo, he's reverential. Who needs to salute the flag when your face shines with worship for it.

I think that at least these three candidates found a chance for a photo-op at some point when the flag was revealed or just got ready to go before the music kicked in.

You can see in the second photo that Romney is singing. In the first photo no one is singing or reciting words of any sort. It doesn't involve the pledge.

Pretty amazing how ridiculous so many of the bloggers can be.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

This, coming from you, in light of your recent postings?

The amount of time you spent rebutting what was clearly a joke on my part is just, yeah. Astounding.

I could give two shits whether Perry puts his hand over his heart or not, it's an idiotic thing to get wound up about.

Cycloptichorn

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@roger,

Fame as a spoiler...

I admit to liking him. There was something I didn't like when I first read about him, but I don't remember what it was right now. Maybe something about war.
But I don't like anybody about war.

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