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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2011 01:18 am
I am noticing a lot of the chattering class saying that Romney killed Perry on points and looked more professional, the WSJ asserts that Perry looks a lot like Reagan so one should not assume the looking like the most professional debater and politician is a good thing for Romney.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2011 02:27 am
@hawkeye10,
Nick Broomfield has just brought out a documentary about Palin, 'You Betcha.' There's an article about it in today's Guardian. It should be a lot of fun.

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The testimony he gathers bring into focus a woman so frightening that You Betcha's closest cinematic relative may well be The Omen. One after another, friends, colleagues, neighbours, relatives, mentors, employees, campaign advisers, cops, teachers and even priests step forward to grind axes, blanch at the prospect of a Palin presidency and, armed with anecdotes, outline why they think Palin is, variously, "dangerous", a "sociopath" and "disrespectful to intelligence". "Nice lady, charming, genuine smile, but she'd kill you like that," says the Rev Howard Bess, snapping his fingers sadly – Bess's 1995 book, Pastor, I Am Gay, was among those Palin had removed from Wasilla public library during her tenure as the Alaskan town's mayor.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/sep/12/nick-broomfield-sarah-palin
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2011 09:10 am
@izzythepush,
Patty reagan said she criied when Perry said he authorized the execution of over 200 lives, and the audiance applauded.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2011 09:32 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
I am noticing a lot of the chattering class saying that Romney killed Perry on points and looked more professional, the WSJ asserts that Perry looks a lot like Reagan so one should not assume the looking like the most professional debater and politician is a good thing for Romney.


I've noted this many times. Looks a lot like Reagan, is as dumb as both Reagan and Bush - that's gotta make him a big favorite among a sizable chunk of dumbass Repugs.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2011 11:41 am
@cicerone imposter,
I'm sure she wasn't the only one.

What's your point?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2011 11:43 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Probably something about the sanctity of life, and the prudence of putting someone in power who gets a kick out of killing 200 people.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2011 11:52 am
@izzythepush,
You see, izzy, some people don't have any respect for life. They're clueless!
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2011 12:17 pm
Last night's debate: Perry gets mugged.

I don't know how is core followers will react to last night's debate, but to me he was hardly The winner or even A winner.

I do like the fact that he's not allowing the liberal-media to cause him to cut and run on social security or capital punishment. And I like the fact that he's admitted that he was wrong abut the vaccine and didn't shrink from his position on educating illegal immigrants.

However, he didn't really look prepared to take on what he had to know would be an onlslought from his competitors. Maybe its just inexperience. If he doesn't drop from his front runner position after last night, he can expect the same sort of mugging at the next debate. He better be ready.

He didn't win but he didn't flop on his face either. He's apparently great at the retail side of politics which is a valuable skill, but when running for president, you can't possibly come face to face with all of the voters.

Mitt Romney held his own, but why he feels the need to make Perry's comments on social security such an issue is beyond me. By the time the election rolls around, Perry will have put that matter behind them, and Romney's not making points with Republican primary voters on it. I like the guy and think he's pretty sharp but I'm concerned about how plastic he is...not just in his perfectly styled demeanor but in the sense that he has been so flexible on his positions that he's engaged in a couple of complete about faces. I just haven't gotten over the feeling that the Romney who conservatives vote for will not be the Romney who occupies the White House.

Newt Gingrich is often referred to as the smartest guy in any room in which he is, and he's been living up to that reputation. of them all he is the most at ease, the most quick witted (whether in making a joke or a point) and the least succeptible to the obvious agenda of the Media. He just has too much baggage, much, but not all, of which he's piled on himself. He, again, can be considered a winner of last night's debate, but his wins don't seem to be giving him any points

Rick Santorum sounded like he and Newt were a tag-team. I like a lot of what he has to say but he can veer towards being strident and I'm not comfortable with his insistence on using his culture war credentials as the first bullet point on his resume.

I suspect that a lot of Republican voters like Herman Caine and his performance last night, but I just don't see him climbing up from the lower tiers. They all repeat themselves from debate to debate but Caine is starting to sound like he's memorized a commercial message.

Michelle Bachman is a lot more savvy and able then I've given her crdit for. She knew she had to have a forceful performance and more than anyone else try and put a dent in Perry, and she was pretty effective at it. I was not at all impressed with the fact she would not look the people she was insulting in the eye.

John Hunstman is incoherent and a nasty piece of work. His barbs intended to at least be slightly humerous, all came across as simply snotty. Most of his comments left the audience flat. I still don't know what voters he is trying to attract.

Good Old Ron Paul was as refreshingly frank and odd as he always is. He's another guy who isn't about to let the moderator corner him with a misreresentation of his opinions and beliefs. He certainly would be fun to watch in the White House, and with his strong anti-military positions could possibly attract Democrats who vote on a single issue of anti-war. Of course their intent would have to survive the deluge of their friends insistence that he wants all poor people to die and disappear.

Still not pleased with all the in-fighting, but I guess that will never change.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2011 12:23 pm
@izzythepush,
Which totally dismisses the fact that there are quite a lot of people who, in good faith, believe that if you foul the sanctity of life and commit heinous and brutal acts of murder, you've forfeited any claim to sanctity for your own life.

Your simpleminded allegation that Perry gets a kick out of killing people is typical. In any case, he didn't cheer when the questions was asked, members of the audience did.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2011 12:23 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:


I do like the fact that he's not allowing the liberal-media to cause him to cut and run on social security or capital punishment.


He ought to be, as it certainly isn't working out well for him. Polling shows that majorities of both self-identified Conservatives AND Republicans oppose getting rid of either Social Security or Medicare. Guess that's what happens when your primary voting block is elderly.

PPP, who has been very accurate the last few years, places Obama 11 points ahead of Perry - which is a much wider gap than the last poll they took in August. The poll also found that less than 20% of respondents agree with Perry (and your) position on Social Security.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_US_0913925.pdf

I asked you before if you were excited about Perry; I don't remember you responding... or maybe I just missed it.

Cycloptichorn
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2011 12:25 pm
@cicerone imposter,
So now Patti Reagan is the moral compass of your life?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2011 12:28 pm
I would also add that the crowd cheering at the debate over letting uninsured people who have had bad fortune die, and the widespread use of the death penalty, was both macabre and pathetic. The GOP ought to be ashamed of that particular crowd.

Cycloptichorn
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2011 12:31 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
I asked you before if you were excited about Perry; I don't remember you responding... or maybe I just missed it.


Maybe you did miss it, but I certainly don't remember you asking, let alone whether or not I answered. If you're implying that I ducked the question, don't make me laugh.

I'm not particularly excited about Perry running and at this point I haven't decided whether or not I would like to see him as the nominee.

I would be excited by Mitch Daniels or Chris Christie entering the race, but alas that doesn't seem at all likely.

Are you excited that Obama will be the nominee of the Democrats?
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2011 12:34 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
"The Crowd" hardly cheered. A few idiots did, and their response was shameful.

Like it or not, everyone can't be a winner and everyone who suffers can't be saved, but it's totally inapproriate to applaud that fact.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2011 12:40 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Quote:
I asked you before if you were excited about Perry; I don't remember you responding... or maybe I just missed it.


Maybe you did miss it, but I certainly don't remember you asking, let alone whether or not I answered. If you're implying that I ducked the question, don't make me laugh.


I found it - I did miss your answer, 6 pages back.

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I'm not particularly excited about Perry running and at this point I haven't decided whether or not I would like to see him as the nominee.


I don't know anyone who is really excited by Perry on the R side; not because of his crazy-ass ideas, but because they don't honestly think that he can win against Obama.

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Are you excited that Obama will be the nominee of the Democrats?


Tremendously so. He's going to beat the **** out of whoever your side puts forward, because he's not only done a pretty good job as prez (in the face of truly assholish behavior by the other party) but because he's a far better campaigner than any of your front-runners. His political machine will have no shortage of money and will find a wide variety of ways to exploit the crazy opinions Perry has; and Romney, heck. Obama should be so lucky as to face a guy who the hardest-working elements of your party basically dislikes.

Cycloptichorn
JPB
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2011 12:41 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
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TAMPA, FL -- The morning after a sometimes-rocky appearance in front of a Tea Party debate audience, Gov. Rick Perry said he was "taken aback" by cheers from some crowd members on a hypothetical question of whether a young man who decides not to buy health insurance should be refused care if he develops a life-threatening illness and be left to die.

"I was a bit taken aback by that myself," Perry told NBC News and the Miami Herald after appearing at a breakfast fundraiser in Tampa.

"We're the party of life. We ought to be coming up with ways to save lives."

Perry distinguished from that the issue of "justice," reiterating his strong support and "respect" for the death penalty on a state-by-state basis. "But the Republican party ought to be about life and protecting, particularly, innocent life," he added.

Perry also responded to the crowd's negative reaction to his support for allowing in-state tuition for illegal immigrants, saying his campaign has "the right message" on opportunities for children who were brought to the United States illegally "by no fault of their own."

"This issue is about education, it's not about immigration," he said.

"These kids showed up in our state by no fault of their own, some 2-3 years of age. And they've been in our schools, they've done their work, they've prepared themselves good, they want to be contributing members of society. So it would be I think the wrong message to say somehow or another that you can't go to our colleges, or we've going to punish you because of the sound of your last name." More


Perry is starting to notice that the TP fanatics are just that. He should watch whose banner he wants to fly.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2011 12:47 pm
@JPB,
Interesting stuff; thanks for sharing it.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2011 12:55 pm
@JPB,
Quote:
Perry is starting to notice that the TP fanatics are just that. He should watch whose banner he wants to fly.
Standing up for what he believes and pointedly not kissing the ass of the people he is talking to should work for Perry, it makes him an anti Romney, and since we dont know even yet what Obama believes in also an Anti Obama....in this environment anyone who shows leadership skills and willingness to lead is golden, their position papers are secondary.
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revelette
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2011 01:27 pm
@JPB,
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Jon Seidl at The Blaze tries to get the Tea Party audience some room to wiggle out of this ghoulish display, theorizing, alternately, that it was a delayed reaction to something Paul said earlier (not unless those folks were watching on their portable DVRs), or that the hoots were from liberals, cheering on Blitzer’s “Gotcha!” (which would make them the quietest bunch of liberals in the world for the rest of the debate)

The reactions of three or four audience members at a debate isn’t all that meaningful on its own, but this outburst follows last week’s Death Penalty Ovation at the Reagan Library debate, and another ugly moment at the Tea Party debate in which the crowd cheered for fed chairman Ben Bernanke to be tried for treason, a capital crime.

While Rep. Paul mercifully declined to leave coma-guy to die, he is simply suggesting a form of socialized medicine, only without the guarantee. He places moral responsibility for coma guy on “our neighbors, our friends, our churches,” which only differs from socialized medicine in that it burdens churches (who don’t pay taxes). That, and my neighbor has a lousy TV in his ICU.

This bloodthirsty vibe that’s running through these debates will undoubtedly help Rick Perry, whose popularity has been undiminished (perhaps even enhanced) by his Death Dealing ways in Texas, but will this sort of thing still knock ‘em dead when the audience is the entire American electorate? Times are tough, so who knows. America is also in an ugly mood.


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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2011 01:28 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
If I get it right Texas stance on public execution is way out of kilter with the rest of America, lket alone the rest of the world. It makes it a bit hard to crticise countries like Iran and China for their similarly enthusiatic approach.
 

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