The Future President, Donald Trump

@McGentrix,

Youre wrong about "needing attention" Bowden is always turning down assignments. Vanity Fair approached HIM.

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@Brandon9000,

Actually he did say EVERYONE that is a Muslim would not be admitted into the country. His spokesman said he meant everyone that is a muslim.

He later clarified to say military members could come back then further clarified to say he wasn't referring to American citizens either. I guess if you want to argue that American citizens are not part of the group "everyone" then you might have an argument but that is a rather silly stance to take.

When applying for a visa to visit the US, the government can't ask the religion and ban certain religions without violating the US Constitution which states that no law respecting the practice of religion can be passed. It would also violate the equal protection clause.

Countries are not religions. Even you can understand that one. There is nothing in the Constitution banning laws respecting countries.

There is no guarantee of same sex marriage. There is a guarantee of equal protection. Being able to enter into a contract with certain adults but not others violates that equal protection. The government also offers benefits based on that contract of marriage which only allowing certain people to get those benefits while denying others without a valid government interest is the violation of the equal protection clause.

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@Brandon9000,

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Trump is observing that the number of Muslims committing acts of terror is disproportionate to their presence

Funny. Can you give us the number of acts of terror by Muslims in the US?
Now let's look at the acts of terror by white men. Since you claimed there is some number, kindly tell us where we can find them.

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@snood,

Trump is a bigot and disqualified for public office.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Trump is a bigot and disqualified for public office.

Of course I agree. I think the guy is a scumbag of a human being. But it is a worry how far he has come on mindless bluster and demagoguery.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

It doesn't matter if they are US citizens or not. Our country was founded on people fleeing their native countries from religious persecution. I agree with those bi-partisan senators who said Trump's suggestion is Un American. If we start down this road, who knows where it could end? Are we next not going to allow them the freedom to worship or wear their traditional clothing?

Nobody gives a crap how they worship - Christian, Jew, Muslim, Zoroastrian, or atheist. That's not the point. We are observing that a disproportionate fraction of the terrorists we see attacking civilians in America and Western Europe (no I didn't say "majority") seem to be Muslim. Logically, people should act based on reality.

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@Brandon9000,

You just prove to everybody that you're not well informed. "Seems to be Muslim.." is a non-sequitur.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

...When applying for a visa to visit the US, the government can't ask the religion and ban certain religions without violating the US Constitution which states that no law respecting the practice of religion can be passed. It would also violate the equal protection clause....

I don't think that the equal protection clause of the Constitution applies to non-citizens outside of the country in the sense of forcing us to admit them whether we want to or not. If it did, then if we admitted even one person, we would then have to admit everyone seeking admittance all the time (unless they had a criminal record), which is clearly not the case.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

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Trump is observing that the number of Muslims committing acts of terror is disproportionate to their presence

Funny. Can you give us the number of acts of terror by Muslims in the US?
Now let's look at the acts of terror by white men. Since you claimed there is some number, kindly tell us where we can find them.

No, I can't but the number of acts of terror committed in the US and Western Europe by Muslims seems to me to be disproportionate to their presence. Does it not seem that way to you?

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@Brandon9000,

"Seems" is not factual; that's how many mistakes are made.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

You just prove to everybody that you're not well informed. "Seems to be Muslim.." is a non-sequitur.

The meaning was that Muslims seem to be over-represented in acts of terror committed in the West. What you think of me personally or my intelligence or whatever is irrelevant. You have to argue ideas based on their merit, not based on their origin.

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@Brandon9000,

You brought up your 'intelligence," not me.

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@Brandon9000,

The equal protection clause doesn't say there can't be any standards. It says the standards have to be applied equally and according to the US Constitution. Under your argument, you have no way to argue against same sex marriage.

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@Brandon9000,

It seems to me that the majority of terrorist acts in the US are committed by white Christians. But what seems and what is are 2 different things. If we passed laws based on what it seems to be to only certain people we would have chaos.

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@Brandon9000,

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You have to argue ideas based on their merit, not based on their origin.

Ah yes. Let's do that.

To some people it seems that all crimes are committed by blacks.
To some people it seems that all whites are racists that violate the law.
To some people it seems that all Muslims are terrorists.
To some people it seems that all Americans are terrorists.

The merit of basing a policy strictly on what it seems to some people is pretty silly, don't you agree?

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

"Seems" is not factual; that's how many mistakes are made.

People often respond based on what they perceive. It's normal. Not acting based on what seems to be true is abnormal. If you think that the Muslims are not over-represented in acts of terror in the West compared to other religions (Again, I didn't say majority, I said over-represented.), then make that argument.

I don't remember hearing about Mormons committing terrorist acts in America and Europe in the news very often during the past few years. On the other hand, I have heard several such stories about Muslims during the same period of time. Certainly, it's the tiniest fraction of all the Muslims present, but, as I said, it seems to be disproportionate to their presence.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

You brought up your 'intelligence," not me.

When you can't argue on topic, attack the poster. No matter what you prove about a poster, it doesn't defeat his argument. Simply amazing that you don't know that by now.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

The equal protection clause doesn't say there can't be any standards. It says the standards have to be applied equally and according to the US Constitution. Under your argument, you have no way to argue against same sex marriage.

Again, I contend that it doesn't force immigration authorities to admit non-citizens into the country.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

It seems to me that the majority of terrorist acts in the US are committed by white Christians. But what seems and what is are 2 different things. If we passed laws based on what it seems to be to only certain people we would have chaos.

Who said anything about the majority? I certainly didn't. I said "over-represented."

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@Brandon9000,

"Seems to be Muslim" has no bearing on Trump's declaration.

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