hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Sat 28 Nov, 2015 04:39 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
So Trump made in my opinion two huge tactical mistakes in one week


I have already said that Trump needed to turn it down over the holiday season, so I score this as three big tactical mistakes. Now we wait a week to see how much damage he did.
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snood
 
  4  
Sat 28 Nov, 2015 05:41 pm
I've seen a lot of speculation about whether this latest clownishness from Trump is going to affect his standing. I've also seen some wondering whether or not Trump would actually try to walk it back, or even apologize. As for his standing, the only signs of slippage I've seen so far is a ten point drop on one Reuters poll. About apologizing, Trump has said that he doesn't even ask God for forgiveness, so I wouldn't bet on it.

It will suprise me if this topples Trump, because in order for him to lose a lot of support, his followers would have to care that he's an insensitive carbuncle of a human being. They've never minded before.
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Sat 28 Nov, 2015 05:46 pm
@snood,
Quote:
It will suprise me if this topples Trump, because in order for him to lose a lot of support, his followers would have to care that he's an insensitive carbuncle of a human being. They've never minded before.

We want to elect people who are like us, who we believe will fight for people like us. Trump did not understand that almost no one in America thinks it is ok to mock the cripples. Many of us think that we spend way too much time celebrating them, and way too much money on looking after them, but we dont mock them and dont want others to do so.

You being wrong would be situation normal however.....
snood
 
  4  
Sat 28 Nov, 2015 06:22 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:


You being wrong would be situation normal however.....

If I'm right, Trump survives and continues to confound the other repugs and confuse the repugs electorate - this would be good for me.
If I'm wrong, Trump topples and I get to see a lot less of his foul, ridiculous act - also good for me.
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Sat 28 Nov, 2015 08:03 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

Quote:


You being wrong would be situation normal however.....

If I'm right, Trump survives and continues to confound the other repugs and confuse the repugs electorate - this would be good for me.
If I'm wrong, Trump topples and I get to see a lot less of his foul, ridiculous act - also good for me.

Petty narcissist much?
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Sat 28 Nov, 2015 08:28 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Speaking in Sarasota, Florida, the Republican presidential candidate was interrupted briefly by a protestor who shouted during the opening moments of his remarks. The mogul looked on calmly from the podium as security escorted the protesters out.

"Be nice to the person," Trump told the crowd. "Don't hurt the person. ... Please nicely escort the person out."

The calm handling of the disruption was a change from last Saturday's campaign rally in Alabama, where a Black Lives Matter protestor was punched and kicked repeatedly by audience members when he interrupted the rally. After the incident, Trump suggested the man "should have been roughed up."

Trump himself noted the change of tone on Saturday.

"You see how diplomatic I've become?" he said as the crowd booed the woman being escorted out of the arena and chanted "get them out!" along with "Trump! Trump!"

The whole disturbance took about three minutes to settle down.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/28/politics/donald-trump-sarasota-florida-rally/

Good move. Not near nuff though in my opinion.
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Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Sun 29 Nov, 2015 06:37 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
It will suprise me if this topples Trump, because in order for him to lose a lot of support, his followers would have to care that he's an insensitive carbuncle of a human being. They've never minded before.

We want to elect people who are like us, who we believe will fight for people like us. Trump did not understand that almost no one in America thinks it is ok to mock the cripples. Many of us think that we spend way too much time celebrating them, and way too much money on looking after them, but we dont mock them and dont want others to do so.

You being wrong would be situation normal however.....


Right!

People like you want us to keep a serious face on...and then put them onto an ice floe. But to be certain we do not mock them if they flail and beg not to be allowed to drift out to sea.
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hawkeye10
 
  0  
Sun 29 Nov, 2015 03:12 pm
Quote:
On “Meet the Press” Trump again insisted he saw celebrations in New Jersey following the terrorist attacks– despite no video coverage backing up that claim and police denying it happened.

“I saw it. So many people saw it, Chuck. So why would I take it back, I’m not going to take it back,” Trump said.

Todd pounced: “Just because somebody repeats something doesn’t make it true. And I guess, that’s actually, that’s the worst — ” Todd said shaking his head with a look of disgust.

Trump cut in to say people were saying in Sarasota, Florida over the weekend they were in New Jersey at the time also saw Arabs cheering the deadly terrorists attacks.

“People were saying,” Todd chimed in. “Mr. Trump, if I said, “Well people have said, Mr. Trump is not worth $10 billion and people were saying …’ you would say that was crazy. You wouldn’t make a business deal based on retweets and based on hearsay. You’re running for president of the United States. Your words matter. Truthfulness matters. Fact-based stuff matters, no?”

“Take it easy. Chuck, just play cool.” Trump retorted


http://nypost.com/2015/11/29/trump-gets-in-shouting-match-over-911-claims-on-meet-the-press/

THis would be a problem for me if the left and the elite overall did not disdain facts just as much, always reaching to delete facts they dont like, or relabeling them "myth" or one of the garbage names (often one of the many "isms").The disregard of facts in this society cuts across all class levels and political persuasions, I am not of a mind to hang Trump for doing what everyone else is doing.
BillRM
 
  2  
Sun 29 Nov, 2015 03:15 pm
@hawkeye10,
Not only is Trump a clown but he is a lying clown but that is ok with you for some strange reason.
snood
 
  4  
Sun 29 Nov, 2015 03:25 pm
Bald faced lying racist Trump was forced to cancel the supposed "endorsement" meeting with 100 black pastors that was going to take place Monday. I think the cancelation probably had some connection to several of those pastors telling the press that not only had they not planned on endorsing him, but that they thought Trump is "an embarrassment".

www.rawstory.com/2015/11/trump-campaign-forced-to-cancel-press-conference-with-black-pastors-after-they-shred-him-in-the-press/
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hawkeye10
 
  0  
Sun 29 Nov, 2015 03:28 pm
Quote:
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said Donald Trump’s divisive rhetoric is only serving to turn the international Muslim community against the U.S.

“Oh, I think it has an interesting effect of turning Muslims all over the world against the United States of America, which is 99.44 percent people who practice an honorable religion,” the Arizona senator said of Trump on CBS’s “Face the Nation” on Sunday.


http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/261443-trumps-rhetoric-turning-muslims-against-the-us-mccain-says

John McCain, proving yet again to be a doddering fool in his old age

from 2007


Quote:
The US is viewed negatively in virtually all Muslim countries. In a multi-country poll we just did for the BBC, we found that in all Muslim countries polled, majorities said that the US is having a mostly negative influence in the world and that the US military presence in the Middle East provokes more conflict than it prevents.

In some polls, views of the American people are not quite as negative as views of the United States or its government, but they are still mostly on the negative side.


http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/views_on_countriesregions_bt/330.php?lb=btvoc

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hawkeye10
 
  0  
Sun 29 Nov, 2015 03:55 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Not only is Trump a clown but he is a lying clown but that is ok with you for some strange reason.


If what you have been doing is not working then do something else. Lets give the peoples choice a spin....the pro's have been failing and lying to us and degrading the Constitution and the health of the collective, there is not much chance that Trump would be worse. And he very well could be better. Even if Hillary would be a sure win (and I dont think she would be) I would still be for Trump, one way or another the elite need to get their head out of their asses and get to work on their jobs, and stop trying to micro manage the lives of the little people, and stop lying to us. I would totally use a POTUS vote as a means of protest.
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Sun 29 Nov, 2015 04:25 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Jeb Bush says the prospect of a Donald Trump presidency is "kind of scary."

The former Florida governor blasted Trump, saying he doubts the real estate mogul's readiness for the White House, in an appearance on CBS' "Face the Nation" on Sunday.

"I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt to see how the campaign unfolded," Bush said. "But if you listen to him talk, it's kind of scary to be honest with you, because he's not a serious candidate."

"He doesn't talk about the issues at hand that are of national security importance for our country -- to keep us safe is the first priority of the president. And he's all over the map, misinformed at best and preying on people's fears at worst," he added.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/29/politics/jeb-bush-donald-trump-scary/

A serious candidate is by definition one who is being taken seriously by the people, because for the moment the little people still have the vote, so stop with the lies. And if you think Trump is scary then make a better argument, go out an win over the people. It will be difficult with all of the lies and incompetence you and your political class has been producing in recent years, but give it a go, stop with the sniveling....man up and go try to get the job done. This argument that we increasingly see from the elite that they are the victim of the stupid little people is not going to go anywhere, both because the little people have long lists of good reasons to be pissed off, and because as the elite it was your job to lead the education system, which you allowed to be gutted and turned into the indoctrination and job training system. Bad work tends to produce bad results. Any time is a great time to learn what should have been learned as a kid.
RABEL222
 
  2  
Sun 29 Nov, 2015 05:33 pm
@hawkeye10,
Come on guys. I'm counting on Trump running for president and Carrly being his vice president. Get off his ass!!!
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Sun 29 Nov, 2015 05:37 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
"I have a very good memory, I'll tell you," Trump said. "I saw it somewhere on television many years ago. And I never forgot it." The real estate mogul did recognize it was proving to be particularly challenging to find copies of those supposed TV clips. “For some reason, they're not that easy to come by,” Trump said.


http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/11/29/trump_won_t_back_down_on_claims_muslims_cheered_in_new_jersey_on_sept_11.html

Makes me wonder why in this day and age we seem to lack the ability to go back and look at the tape. Most seem to agree that this was on CNN, that is where I saw it (as well as the cheering in Palestine), why cant journalists go to CNN an pull up a weeks worth of programing and watch the entire thing so see if Trump and the rest of us are right? Apparently they lack the ability to do this, which is annoying....incompetence is always annoying. Content tagging and saving is so easy and cheap, why is it not done? This to me is exactly like we have almost no idea where the MH370 plane is, because we did not track it and because it does not have a locator beacon that works in this situation. In 2015! Sometimes there is just no excuse.
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Sun 29 Nov, 2015 05:38 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

Come on guys. I'm counting on Trump running for president and Carrly being his vice president. Get off his ass!!!

The insiders are almost positive it will be Cruz.
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Frank Apisa
 
  4  
Sun 29 Nov, 2015 07:22 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
"I have a very good memory, I'll tell you," Trump said. "I saw it somewhere on television many years ago. And I never forgot it." The real estate mogul did recognize it was proving to be particularly challenging to find copies of those supposed TV clips. “For some reason, they're not that easy to come by,” Trump said.


http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/11/29/trump_won_t_back_down_on_claims_muslims_cheered_in_new_jersey_on_sept_11.html

Makes me wonder why in this day and age we seem to lack the ability to go back and look at the tape. Most seem to agree that this was on CNN, that is where I saw it (as well as the cheering in Palestine), why cant journalists go to CNN an pull up a weeks worth of programing and watch the entire thing so see if Trump and the rest of us are right? Apparently they lack the ability to do this, which is annoying....incompetence is always annoying. Content tagging and saving is so easy and cheap, why is it not done? This to me is exactly like we have almost no idea where the MH370 plane is, because we did not track it and because it does not have a locator beacon that works in this situation. In 2015! Sometimes there is just no excuse.


Largest newspaper in New Jersey (where this was all supposed to be happening) indicates that no such thing happened. There were some reports of a roof top display of glee...but it was a few people...not thousands.

The thousands of people joyously cerebrating in the streets here in New Jersey simply NEVER HAPPENED.

Trump...and you...are not "right."
McGentrix
 
  -1  
Mon 30 Nov, 2015 12:59 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I dunno Frank. New Jersey is a pretty crappy place and I could see some of them celebrating that NYC finally got a bit of a beat down.
InfraBlue
 
  2  
Mon 30 Nov, 2015 02:32 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

I dunno Frank. New Jersey is a pretty crappy place and I could see some of them celebrating that NYC finally got a bit of a beat down.

Yeah, but could you see it?
McGentrix
 
  0  
Mon 30 Nov, 2015 04:09 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

I dunno Frank. New Jersey is a pretty crappy place and I could see some of them celebrating that NYC finally got a bit of a beat down.

Yeah, but could you see it?


Nah, but I did see a bunch of fanatics in the middle east cheering and it is possible that a New Jersey station aired that footage. It's possible Trump saw that and 15 years pass where that becomes the memory.
 

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