RABEL222
 
  1  
Sat 14 Nov, 2015 03:32 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
I stand corrected. Embarrassed Embarrassed
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hawkeye10
 
  -2  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 12:34 am
Quote:
After a week in which he hosted Saturday Night Live and stood center-stage at a Republican debate, Donald Trump is surging among Republicans likely to cast votes in the party’s presidential primary.

According to the five-day rolling Reuters/Ipsos presidential poll, Trump has leapt some 17 percentage points among likely Republican voters since Nov. 6, when he was essentially tied with Ben Carson at about 25 percent. Trump now captures 42 percent of those voters while Carson has fallen off slightly.

http://news.yahoo.com/trump-surges-among-likely-republican-primary-voters-reuters-213521679.html

So the week that the major press is writing that Trump was horrible on SNL, when there are headlines that Trump is in "melt-down", he is losing it, whole articles are written on the premise that Trump is bored and trying to throw the election.....he surges 17 points.

Same old same old.....
farmerman
 
  3  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 01:01 am
@hawkeye10,
All youre doing is demonstrating the lack of support thatnexists for any candidate at this juncture. Trump'"Surges" after he slumped over the previous several weeks. DOESNT that sorta tell you something about the US voter?

Dont give up on any "comeback Kids"

Common ense will soon pvail and GOPs will realize that TRUMP will single handedly be the cause of the loss of several key demographics to the Dems. (Women, Hispanics, Blacks, Asians etc etc)

Whole bunches of voters have announced that , if TRUMP is the candidate, they will go elsewhere .


Hes going to depants himself sometime on some open-mike where he will talk about the stupidity of the AMerican voter. Hes so much like Lonesome Rhoads from the "face in the Crowd" (movie of the late 1950's). See it, its a classic and TRUMO is a modern day character that ANdy Griffith played with a scary creepiness.

Trump is both scary and creepy married up with a bit of self delusion. (He actually believes his own silly bullshit)


You cannot really want a president like Trump. Hed be like Lyndon Larouche but without any concept of making plans.




hawkeye10
 
  -2  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 01:13 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
Whole bunches of voters have announced that , if TRUMP is the candidate, they will go elsewhere .

Trump has a year to win people over. He is very good at that.

farmerman
 
  3  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 06:58 am
@hawkeye10,
I think hes already burnt his bridge with Hispanics.
I think his constituency is composed of old, white, uneducated men.
Lash
 
  2  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 07:07 am
@farmerman,
And fat redneck women who hate minorities. (I saw a picture) Wink

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McGentrix
 
  -2  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 10:49 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

I think hes already burnt his bridge with Hispanics.
I think his constituency is composed of old, white, uneducated men.


Who the Hell Are ‘Latinos for Trump’?

Meet The Mexican-Americans Who Are Backing Donald Trump In New Hampshire

Why Hispanics are thanking Donald Trump
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 04:46 pm
@McGentrix,
It is often forgotten that Mexicans tend to be conservative, and that those who are already here, especially those who got here legally, dont take well to the illegals coming here to drive the wage scale down. THe hispanic political pressure groups all push for bringing or letting come as many mexicans as possible, and they dismiss the views of those hispanics who want the illegal flood to stop. Not only dismiss, those who tell whitey that they favor boarder controls are branded traitors to the race and are pressed to shut up.

The D's know none of this, or at least they pretend to know not. Trump is a reality based guy, he knows which side of the bread is buttered. Saying he wants to build a wall and throw the illegals out will get him a decent share of the hispanic vote. Furthermore the hispanic vote is very unlikely to decide who wins next Nov. Those who dont like being told that laws need to be followed and the borders need to be controlled were probably going to vote D regardless, so "WHATEVER!" comes to mind re the objections to Trumps ideas on immigration.
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snood
 
  3  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 05:17 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

farmerman wrote:

I think hes already burnt his bridge with Hispanics.
I think his constituency is composed of old, white, uneducated men.


Who the Hell Are ‘Latinos for Trump’?

Meet The Mexican-Americans Who Are Backing Donald Trump In New Hampshire

Why Hispanics are thanking Donald Trump



Do you even read the stuff you cite?

This is from the first link:
"...Trump is unpopular among more than Mexicans. More than 80 percent of Hispanics have unfavorable views of Trump. He wins a measly 22 percent of the Latino vote in a potential match-up with Hillary Clinton. "

This from your second link:
"...a poll conducted last month found that 71 percent of American Hispanics do not consider Trump to be a serious candidate, while only 18 percent thought that he was serious. And in the Washington Post- ABC News poll released on Thursday, 84 percent of Hispanics said that they "definitely would not" Vote for Trump.

I didn't read the third one. So what was your point about Trump's support among Hispanics again?
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 05:30 pm
@snood,
http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/publications/2012HispanicVoting.png

So you see Trump is not really doing that poorly with Hispanics at 22%. And he has almost a whole year to win them over. He can do it, I dont see a problem.
snood
 
  3  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 05:47 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/publications/2012HispanicVoting.png

So you see Trump is not really doing that poorly with Hispanics at 22%. And he has almost a whole year to win them over. He can do it, I dont see a problem.


I'm quite certain you don't.
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 05:54 pm
@snood,
Quote:
I'm quite certain you don't.


Make your case. Mine is:

1) trump will do better than 22% for the reasons I stated

2) the hispanic share of the vote is not likely to be big enough to matter in 2016

3) We have so many problems that the people are not going to vote based upon immigration. Last summer immigration was the most important issue for 7%, and I see that going down with the rise of ISIS terror
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1675/most-important-problem.aspx

4) Romney did not lose because of the hispanic vote, he lost because he did poorly for an R with white evangelicals.


So do you have anything to offer above a drive by insult? I want A2K to get better, please try to do your part.
snood
 
  3  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 06:02 pm
@hawkeye10,
How in the **** can someone engage in a rational argument with someone who doesn't think the Latino vote is going to be a huge factor in this election? It's like trying to argue in favor of the existence of gravity. What would be the point?
If you want to improve A2K, go find a ******* clue.
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 06:03 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Over 11 million Latinos voted in the last presidential election. \.
.
.

Immigration remains a litmus test issue, but the top concerns of Latino voters are the economy and education, according to Pew Research Center.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/19/news/economy/latino-voters-2016-economy-immigration/

Trump is pushing that he will make the economy and schools better. Trump knows the score.
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hawkeye10
 
  0  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 06:10 pm
@snood,
Quote:
How in the **** can someone engage in a rational argument with someone who doesn't think the Latino vote is going to be a huge factor in this election

The R's put their best polsters and numbers people on the question, and they concluded that the Hispanic vote will not be the decider this time around. Who are you to dismiss their evaluation out of hand?

Quote:
Maybe the Latino vote will prove pivotal in 2020, maybe in 2024, but this time around, it is very unlikely to decide who wins the White House. The reason immigration will not be a big issue in 2016 is fairly simple. The states that have a big Hispanic population and have big Electoral College vote numbers—California, Texas, New York, New Jersey and Illinois—will not be in play in the 2016 presidential election. And the swing states—where campaign spending and message building will be the strongest—have relatively small Hispanic populations and no border fence issues in their backyards. On top of all that, immigration is not the primary concern for most Hispanic voters.
Deep thinkers in the Republican Party constantly say that the future of the party is based on outreach to groups like Hispanics. But wooing Hispanics isn’t currently a major concern for Republicans on the campaign trail. “I have heard many of the conservative policy people talk about what we need to do to win elections in 2020 and 2024, how the Latino vote is an important part of that, but the [GOP presidential] candidates and the campaigns aren’t thinking about future elections right now for obvious reasons,” says one Republican consultant who didn’t want his name used. “They aren’t even thinking about next year right now. They are thinking about next week.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/trump-mexican-comments-120480#ixzz3rbnCVd94


So you see snood a temper tantrum from you is not going to do. You have an opinion, support it with facts and an argument. Make a case and stop with the **** throwing. It is this kind of behavior we are seeing from you right now that degrades A2K, not me and my unpopular opinions.
snood
 
  3  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 06:22 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
How in the **** can someone engage in a rational argument with someone who doesn't think the Latino vote is going to be a huge factor in this election

The R's put their best polsters and numbers people on the question, and they concluded that the Hispanic vote will not be the decider this time around. Who are you to dismiss their evaluation out of hand?

Quote:
Maybe the Latino vote will prove pivotal in 2020, maybe in 2024, but this time around, it is very unlikely to decide who wins the White House. The reason immigration will not be a big issue in 2016 is fairly simple. The states that have a big Hispanic population and have big Electoral College vote numbers—California, Texas, New York, New Jersey and Illinois—will not be in play in the 2016 presidential election. And the swing states—where campaign spending and message building will be the
strongest—have relatively small Hispanic populations and no border fence issues in their backyards. On top of all that, immigration is not the primary concern for most Hispanic voters.
Deep thinkers in the Republican Party constantly say that the future of the party is based on outreach to groups like Hispanics. But wooing Hispanics isn’t currently a major concern for Republicans on the campaign trail. “I have heard many of the conservative policy people talk about what we need to do to win elections in 2020 and 2024, how the Latino vote is an important part of that, but the [GOP presidential] candidates and the campaigns aren’t thinking about future elections right now for obvious reasons,” says one Republican consultant who didn’t want his name used. “They aren’t even thinking about next year right now. They are thinking about next week.”



Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/trump-mexican-comments-120480#ixzz3rbnCVd94


So you see snood a temper tantrum from you is not going to do. You have an opinion, support it with facts and an argument. Make a case and stop with the **** throwing. It is this kind of behavior we are seeing from you right now that degrades A2K, not me and my unpopular opinions.


Yeah, no. The "R's" can find "pollsters" who also say there's no climate change crisis. Doesn't make that stance, or the stance that Hispanic voters aren't a force that HAVE
GOT to be reckoned with, any less ridiculous.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 07:01 pm
@snood,
Quote:
or the stance that Hispanic voters aren't a force that HAVE
GOT to be reckoned with, any less ridiculous.

Attaching derogatory labels is not an argument. When you choose to not even attempt to support your opinion you show good cause for ignoring your opinion.
snood
 
  2  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 07:08 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
or the stance that Hispanic voters aren't a force that HAVE
GOT to be reckoned with, any less ridiculous.

Attaching derogatory labels is not an argument. When you choose to not even attempt to support your opinion you show good cause for ignoring your opinion.


Good sir, you are certainly free to ignore my "opinion" that the Hispanic vote will be a deciding factor. In fact, I encourage all you fine upstanding Republican supporters to do just that. Ignore the growing power of the Hispanic voting bloc. Please.
RABEL222
 
  3  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 07:59 pm
@snood,
But Snood. all hispanics are here illegally and cant vote so how can they have an effect on the vote?
hawkeye10
 
  -2  
Sun 15 Nov, 2015 08:01 pm
@snood,
The R's are not ignoring the changing demographics but Trump is doing what he is doing because he knows that the Hispanics do not matter to the R's this cycle. The R's will have to do something eventually but they do not need to do anything now. The primary reason is that they intend to drive up the white vote this time, and whites are increasingly abandoning the D's. There are a lot more Whites than Hispanics. for instance Colorado is often touted as a heavy hispanic state, in 2012 they were 21% of the residents, but they were only 14% of eligible voters and in recent years eligible hispanics have been turning up on election day in light numbers compared to other races. The only people that count are those who cast ballots, a concept that D's continually have problems with. How can you look at the rise of Trump and Carson in particular and not conclude that a lot of whites are going to vote this time how have not done so in recent years? The white turnout has been shrinking for at least a decade, there is tons of room to grow the white turnout.

I know that you live a sheltered life, all you have probably seen are the pieces that go something like " The Repubs are shooting themselves in the foot with hispanics, they are so stupid!" , based upon the fact that the R's were expected to court the hispanics this time and completely gave up on that idea. The reason was that the rise of Trump/Carson/Sanders means that they dont need the hispanics this time. They kicked the can down the road. There are also a lot of pieces about how the R's are making it harder to deal with getting hispanics by how they are acting right now, which I doubt but even if it is true Trump is only nominally a R anyways, he is much too centrist for them, he is not going to go out of his way to help the R party with their long term of appealing to Hispanics. He is going to get the 30% of the hispanic vote or what ever he needs but the guys down the road are going to have to figure out for themselves how to get more than that when they find themselves needing more than that, which they will.

How many times have we heard D supporters say " we are really going to smash up those stupid Republicans this time!".....when the reality is that the R's have been steadily gaining power over the Ds for a decade? There is a basic failure to track reality right there.

Now since all you are interesting in is getting told that you are right, since you are not interesting in finding out how closely your beliefs cling to reality, I will move along. I really would like to see you up your game though, you could be a smart guy if you put some work in.
 

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