The Future President, Donald Trump

Well done, you found one. That's called a typo. When someone continually makes the same mistake, in that case the plural apostrophe, they repeat it. They do it all the time. I don't.

If that's all you have to go on it's looking pretty weak. You thought Nazi propaganda was meant to be funny, you even asked if there was any validity to the outrageous claims it made. That's not a slip up, that's just plain thick.

You might appreciate this.

I'd throw it out and get one that's not written by an idiot.

There is no ******* validity to it. It was referred to as satire by either you or the person you were talking to - and I disagreed that satire was the correct term for it.

Because I disagree with satire as the appropriate term, you act as though I have no idea about Hebdo or Hitler - because it suits your clamoring to feel superior.

Now, you call it propaganda. Had you done that previously, ...you probably would've found something else to feign superiority about.

Small, little man. Shoo.

I never called it satire. That was the discussion on Hebdo. The first person to use the term satire to describe it was you. I have always called Nazi propaganda, propaganda.

I'm not trying to feign superiority. I didn't enter a conversation with you thinking you were stupid. I don't particularly like talking to stupid people. I only came to the conclusion you were stupid when I was forced to explain things to you over and over again.

I don't use stupid as an insult. I only call stupid people stupid. Really. I've called Setanta all sorts of names but I've never called him stupid.

Actually you called it "******* Nazi propaganda."

I remember because it was the fifth of April and I so admired your restraint.

Did you also remember this?

http://able2know.org/topic/275712-55#post-6021996

On the post that had the drawing we were talking about was his reference to satirists.

Surely do. You keep mistaking it for 'satire', and its not at all satire. Its entirely ******* Nazi propaganda. You shouldn't have to be a Goebbels to get that.

There's satire and then there's hate speech. Charlie Hebbo published some hate speech. They got murdered. They didn't deserve to be murdered but then they didn't have to publish hate speech, either. Its what happens when two groups of extremists collide. Thank G*d there were no collateral or child killings included. I'm not a Muslim or Roman Catholic but I did find some of the "cartoons" highly offensive. Beyond the pale offensive. Offensive in many ways. Offensive to the point of hate speech and propaganda. *******. Nazi. Propaganda.

I didn't mistake it for satire. They were discussing satire while showing the drawing. I thought THEY mistook it for satire.

I do remember this. And once more I'll try to explain it.



Was in response to Osso's post about the Charlie Hebdo cartoons and free speech in general.

Then I left a line to denote a change of subject, and focusing purely on the free speech aspect I asked Osso if the Nazi propaganda was acceptable. Of course it wasn't and she said so.

You then posted this response.



Showing how well you understood what was going on.

Later on you wrote this.



Asking if there was some justification to the Nazi propaganda. Of course not. It's propaganda. Why would anyone who understood it was propaganda ask if there was any justification to it's claims?

I don't know why you want to go over this again, you don't look good.

I don't need an explanation. You continue to at least act like you don't know what happened. I wasn't talking to you, but it seems Bob has decided to misunderstand as well.

If that's what you choose to do, I won't try to stop you.

I do know what happened. You misunderstood what was going on. You blamed your 'misinterpretation' of the image on your small screen remember? Now you're trying to pass off your misunderstanding as what happened.

Nobody else misunderstood, Engineer, Osso and everyone else didn't think the propaganda was intended to be funny, justified, or satirical. Only you considered that as a possibility.

For me, this is the line from Lash that really sticks out: "what the "satire" is claiming? Stalin a Jew puppet?" . Something really jarring there.

I've heard it before. And I've prayed, "Never again."

Trump’s fellow military academy alums recall school a bit differently

September 12, 2015
Jackie Salo
Posted with permission from International Business Times
Republish Reprint

Military boarding schools have had a reputation among wealthy U.S. families since their inception as the ultimate castigation for misbehaved sons, with the belief that enrollment would force them to relinquish their unruly ways for impeccably shined shoes and beds made with crisp hospital corners.

There never seemed to be much debate as to whether the emphasis lied in the phrase in “military” or “school” -- that is until this week when presidential candidate Donald Trump made headlines for remarks that his military academy education involved more rigorous military training than actual service does. Apparently uttered without irony, the comments reminded fellow New York Military Academy alumni more of a one-liner from a freshman forced to run laps at dawn after missing curfew.

“My classmates and most people that I know find it to be funny because there is no comparison to the real military,” said Augusto Esclusa, a member of the class of ‘85.

Veterans previously have questioned Trump's respect for the military this campaign season. His incendiary comments about Arizona Sen. John McCain drew fire from veterans when he said the decorated Vietnam verteran was not a hero because "he was captured." McCain spent more than five years as prisoner of war, while the real estate mogul deferred the Vietnam draft four times to avoid enlisting.

Trump has never served in the military, but he reminisces about his time at the New York Military Academy fondly. "One of the great choices I ever made in terms of success is the choice of going to N.Y.M.A.," he told CNN.

Like most preparatory schools, New York Military Academy was tucked away in one of the more placid corners of the Northeast - a riverside town named Cornwall-on-Hudson in upstate New York. The school counts other well-off and famous alumni such as composer Stephen Sondheim, bandleader Les Brown and mobster John Gotti Jr., among numerous other leaders in business, military and the art world.

Former students remembered the school as breeding students to be competitive in academics, sports and with other accolades. Students were waken up with pots and pans before sunrise to complete military training exercises that served to build more mental discipline than combat readiness. Tasks included push-ups, sit-ups and laps, but not infantry training.

“Some kids went there because academically it was a very strong school, but the other side of it was other kids who went there just because of disciplinary reasons,” said alum Spencer Ternick, who also graduated in 1985.

Trump’s own account of his time at the school speaks to the latter. "I wasn't the most well-behaved person in the world and my parents had no idea what to do with me, and they heard about this school that was a tough place,” Trump told CNN in a 2005 interview.

Spencer Tunick (left) in his New York Military Academy yearbook photo. Donald Trump, who is pictured on the right, is also an alum. Courtesy of Spencer Tunick

While it had its share of wealthy kids, Ternick rejects the notion that N.Y.M.A. was a “cushy private school.” He said there were a considerable number of students on scholarships provided by the school’s endowment. Ternick, now a New York-based artist, was on a music scholarship and interested in the athletic opportunities. Unlike Trump, he recalls the school’s curriculum only loosely mirroring military conditioning.

“It was a lot of strenuous marching and I had marksmanship medal on my uniform, but that was it,” Ternick said. “There was no shooting rifles.”

The closest he remembers coming to a life-and-death physical challenge was one “survival trip.”

“They give you a match and string and send you into the forest for a night, but it’s upstate New York so it’s not that difficult,” he said.

Esclusa, now 47 years old and a marketing executive, traveled from Venezuela in seventh grade to attend the school and learn English.

“I did not enjoy it when I was there. but once I graduated and my life progressed, I realized it was good for me,” he said. “It was a great experience.”

Esculsa said the school fostered a competitive environment with rewards for cleanest shoes and best-looking uniform. He remembers the son of one well-known horse race track owner would force the younger cadets to compete in a boxing ring that he had set up in the bathroom for older students to bet money.

While Trump graduated nearly two decades before him, Esculsa said that rumors still swirled around the school about the Class of 1964 graduate.

“We used to hear that it was very obvious that he was wealthy while he was there,” Esculsa said. “He was a little pampered. They didn’t make his life too difficult, but I wasn’t there at that time to know if that were true.”

Trump, who was known as D.T., was a talented, competitive athlete on the varsity football, soccer and baseball teams. He won trophies in intramural softball, basketball, softball, bowling and freshman football, according to a 1990 USA Today profile of the real estate mogul.

Jeff Walker, who was once a senior vice president of the Trump Organization, told USA Today that his manner on the field has carried over to his real estate pursuits.

''Nothing's changed,'' said Walker, who graduated one year ahead of Trump. ''It's in his genes.''

It’s been more than 50 years since Trump graduated from New York Military Academy -- a time when the school saw its peak. These days, the 126-year-old school’s tuition reaches upwards of $31,500 a year, but the academy has weathered financial issues as of late, following a trend seen with military schools across the country.

For three days, the academy closed in March after filing for bankruptcy protection with $10 million in debt. Superintendent Maj. Gen. William Beard told students the closing was a necessary response to the “the extraordinary circumstances caused by the recent bankruptcy filing and the freezing of N.Y.M.A. accounts and assets by the U.S. bankruptcy court.”

Classes resumed and the academy was able to finish out the school year, but it is still in murky waters as the bankruptcy reorganization threatens to delay the start of the new year. Another prep school, Global Preparatory Academies, purchased N.Y.M.A., but had not paid the down-payment, reported the Times-Herald Record. The school plans to hold a public auction Sept. 30 if the sale falls through.

New York Military Academy is only one of about 25 military schools remaining from the 400 that once existed, according to a New York Times profile of the school five years ago.

The enrollment has dramatically dwindled since the 1960s when 525 students were enrolled. Even though the school has the capacity to board 404 students, fewer than 100 were enrolled last year, according to the Times-Herald Record.

While the school struggles to stay afloat, alumni have not come to the rescue in recent years, according to the New York Times. The alumni network has a net worth of $2.5 billion, but their contributions accounted for only 5 percent of the school’s annual funds in 2010. “The most galling and perhaps damning thing for N.Y.M.A. is that its own alumni have never been loyal financial supporters,” wrote the New York Times.

Perhaps there is an alum worth $2.9 billion they can call.

So, this is an example of sock-puppetry for noobs. See bob; see izzy. See bob fly in with flames shooting out his arse to make the same non-argument as izzy, no matter how transparently inane. Note how those two accounts act as one, thumbing one another up and others down.

What kind of basic human deficiency must a person suffer to require a manufactured sycophant on social media? My daughter retched.

Really, that's what you're reduced to, sockpuppetry claims? Did you think that up all by yourself or did you read it elsewhere. You're too vain to handle the truth, two people independently came to the same conclusion, that you're very stupid. There are others too.

Bob and I get on, but only an idiot would say we were the same person. You can't have it both ways, either I'm a linguistic genius able to easily switch from English to American vernacular, or I'm English and Bob is an American.

Funny how you never mentioned your daughter until I mentioned mine, now she's commenting on everything. Mine is at university and speaks fluent German, Spanish, Chinese Mandarin and Japanese. So her opinion is actually worth something.

And you contradict yourself. If we're the same person how can one of us be a sycophant? You're confusing friendship, which you've probably not experienced, with arselicking.

Tell you what, have a sit down, try to get your confused thoughts in order and say something that actually follows some form of logic, and doesn't sound quite so desperate.

What horrible thing has made you such a nasty piece of work? Whats with all the insults?

I don't know how your daughter feels, but your mother weeps.

Had a couple of emails about you and Bob. You hit all the sock puppet criteria. It explains a lot.

Since your ego-centrism won't allow for variations in American and Brit political terminology, it works perfectly for you.

I'm sure if you strain that supersized cranium, you can make sense of how the sycophantic circle jerk works for your and your "friend." No one else has problems understanding why some people need an alter.

Your politics is really creeping out with that post. How telling that you think a person's value is based on how many languages they know. Not a friend of the masses, are you? I can't stand elitists. Not that I believe whatever statements your know-it-all British elitist alter makes.

I just don't like stupid know it alls. You pontificate about our political system from a position of complete ignorance, then get angry when someone from the UK tells you what's really going on.

As for elitism, you were the first one to brand the UK a tiny little country suggesting your own sense of superiority based on nothing but nationality. In that you're no different from Hawkeye, Foofie and all the other xenophobic bigots you like to hang out with.

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Second of all:
There is no second of all.

I do worry you're a teacher, though. Now I weep. For your students.