High Strangeness
 
  -2  
Tue 13 Sep, 2016 07:56 pm
I just googled 'US national debt under Obama' and see that it's almost doubled during his two terms in office-
"On January 20, 2009, when he was sworn in, the debt was $10.626 trillion. Today it's slightly more than $19 trillion"
https://www.thebalance.com/national-debt-under-obama-3306293


Wonder if it'd double again under Pres Trump?..Wink
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Tue 13 Sep, 2016 07:58 pm
@High Strangeness,
You need to look at national debt against our GDP, and not dollar comparisons.
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cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Tue 13 Sep, 2016 08:03 pm
@High Strangeness,
Here's a graph showing national debt vs GDP since 2000.
What do you think is too much debt, and why?
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=debt+vs+gdp+graph+since+2000&view=detailv2&&id=18A82D4E5A0B0134133B2175CA5C48D97513FEF9&selectedIndex=1&ccid=TLgJm6LR&simid=607999454229890428&thid=OIP.M4cb8099ba2d1b5854975e38d6b177c49o0&ajaxhist=0
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AC14747
 
  -2  
Tue 13 Sep, 2016 09:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Yes making a speech and getting paid is legal...unless it's a money laundering scheme for access.
glitterbag
 
  4  
Tue 13 Sep, 2016 09:41 pm
@AC14747,
Yes, if that bullshit reason was true. But its not, its just a fantasy you hope is true because you couldn't get out of bed in the morning if you didn't believe everyone was as craven and as empty a shell as you. Wow, it must suck to be you.
AC14747
 
  -3  
Tue 13 Sep, 2016 11:04 pm
@glitterbag,
Oh really...then why won't she release the transcripts?? I love to see what is in a 20 min. $500,000 speech.
RABEL222
 
  4  
Tue 13 Sep, 2016 11:10 pm
@AC14747,
tRumps tax returns?
glitterbag
 
  4  
Wed 14 Sep, 2016 12:22 am
@RABEL222,
He says they are under audit, but he doesn't provide any proof that they are under audit.
snood
 
  4  
Wed 14 Sep, 2016 12:34 am
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

He says they are under audit, but he doesn't provide any proof that they are under audit.

Not only that, but the IRS has already made statements on this subject saying that a federal audit in no way prevents someone from making their returns public.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Wed 14 Sep, 2016 02:04 am
Quote:
New York's attorney general says he is investigating Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's foundation over suspected "impropriety".

Eric Schneiderman said his office wanted to ensure the foundation is "complying with the laws that govern charities in New York".

The Trump Foundation has been hit by a number of damaging media stories.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37359046
glitterbag
 
  2  
Wed 14 Sep, 2016 02:08 am
@izzythepush,
By tomorrow there will be about 30 more charges. I'm waiting for the morning paper.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Wed 14 Sep, 2016 02:29 am
@glitterbag,
Whether or not they're politically motivated is academic, it's whether or not he did it, and it seems well dodgy. It just a shame it takes an election to spur the AG into taking action.
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Wed 14 Sep, 2016 05:39 am
The devastating Newsweek article against Trump

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/donald-trump-foreign-business-deals-national-security-498081.html

Meanwhile, Trump has raised concerns in the United States among national security experts for his consistent and effusive praise for Vladimir Putin, the Russian ruler who also now controls much of Ukraine. With its founder in the White House, the Trump Organization would have an extraordinary entrée into those countries. If the company sold its brand in Russia while Trump was in the White House, the world could be faced with the astonishing site of hotels and office complexes going up in downtown Moscow with the name of the American president emblazoned in gold atop the buildings.


The dealings of the Trump Organization reach into so many countries that it is impossible to detail all the conflicts they present in a single issue of this magazine, but a Newsweek examination of the company has also found deep connections in China, Brazil, Bulgaria, Argentina, Canada, France, Germany and other countries.Never before has an American candidate for president had so many financial ties with American allies and enemies, and never before has a business posed such a threat to the United States. If Donald Trump wins this election and his company is not immediately shut down or forever severed from the Trump family, the foreign policy of the United States of America could well be for sale.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Wed 14 Sep, 2016 05:41 am
@snood,
Quote:
Anyone honest would admit that.


And there's the rub, that honesty thing.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Wed 14 Sep, 2016 05:46 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
I have made no such assertions about Trump rentals and have no knowledge of these events or even interest in them.


So your ignorance is willful. Its been proven and you do know that. The GOP: from the party of Lincoln to the know-nothings.

Just for you:

Donald Trump violated the civil rights act by refusing to rent homes to black people.

http://www.nytimes.com/times-insider/2015/07/30/1973-meet-donald-trump/
http://new.www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/29/donald-trump-blacks-lawsuit_n_855553.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/15/doj-trump-s-early-businesses-blocked-blacks.html
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/09/07/the-death-and-life-of-atlantic-city

Trump continued to refuse to rent homes to black people three years after Justice Department ruling on the matter sides against Trump.

http://www.nytimes.com/1978/03/07/archives/trump-charged-with-rental-bias.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1983/10/16/realestate/for-starrett-city-an-integration-test.html?scp=4&sq=trump+discrimination&st=nyt&pagewanted=all

Trump ordered blacks to leave casino floor whenever him or wife arrives on property.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/09/07/the-death-and-life-of-atlantic-city

1991 book written by Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino President quotes Trump as saying:

“I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day… . I think the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.“

http://articles.philly.com/1991-05-10/news/25795529_1_trump-associates-trump-s-atlantic-city-donald-trump

Trump built a casino in black majority city and breaks promise to mayor about hiring locals, refrains to hire the minorities and opting to staff the casino with almost exclusively all Caucasian employees.

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/money/trump-hit-race-suit-blacks-don-dealt-casino-jobs-article-1.726389

Trump was asked about replacing TSA's 'heebeejabis' with veterans, responded with:

"We're looking at it"

http://www.npr.org/2016/06/30/484229621/woman-asks-trump-about-replacing-tsas-heebejabis-with-veterans
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-response-anti-muslim-tsa-worker-question-veterans-2016-7
http://time.com/4039658/trump-obama-muslim/

Trump responded to accusations of racism by hiring a former aid for Joseph McCarthy to sue the government for half a billion dollars.

http://www.salon.com/2011/04/28/donald_trump_discrimination_suit/

Trump kept books of Hitler Speeches by his bed.

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-ex-wife-once-said-he-kept-a-book-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bed-2015-8
http://forward.com/the-assimilator/318664/trump-and-hitler/
http://www.gq.com/story/donald-trump-hitler-speeches-book

Trump's campaign photoshopped a white model black.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trumps-people-almost-definitely-photoshopped-a-white-model-to-make-her-black_us_56d872d5e4b03a405677a680
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/donald-trump-photoshopped-models-to-be-african-american-in-his-online-store/

Trump refused to disavow support from the Klu Klux Klan multiple times during interview only to change his mind later on twitter.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/3739/disgusting-trump-reverses-himself-refuses-disavow-ben-shapiro
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-kkk-cnn-tapper-154053871.html
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/02/28/468455028/trump-wont-condemn-kkk-says-he-knows-nothing-about-white-supremacists
http://time.com/4240268/donald-trump-kkk-david-duke/
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/david-duke-trump-219777

The KKK endorses Trump.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/a-lot-of-what-he-believes-we-believe-kkk-grand-imperial-wizard-endorses-trump/
http://www.snopes.com/2016/05/02/klan-leader-endorses-trump/
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/04/30/3774243/ku-klux-klan-imperial-wizard-endorses-donald-trump-for-president/

Trump retweets message from Pro-Hitler, white genocide conspiracy Twitter account.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-whitegenocidetm-retweet
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/430201/donald-trump-retweets-white-genocide-twitter-user
http://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-retweets-white-genocide-account-based-in-jewmerica/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-retweets-neo-nazi-sympathizer-article-1.2506735

Analysis shows that 62% of the people Trump retweeted on the week of January 19th 2016 were white supremacist accounts.

http://www.getlittlebird.com/blog/data-62-of-the-people-donald-trump-rted-this-week-follow-multiple-white-supremacist-accounts

Trump picks famed white supremacist leader as delegate.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/05/donald-trump-white-nationalist-afp-delegate-california

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/45928_Donald_Trump_Picks_Well-Known_White_Nationalist_Leader_as_a_Delegate_in_California

http://www.nationalmemo.com/trump-picks-white-nationalist-leader-as-delegate/

Trump's son gives interview with Holocaust denying radio show host who wants to bring back slavery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Political_Cesspool#Donald_Trump_Jr._interview

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/donald-trump-son-pro-slavery-host-interview-220120?lo=ap_c1

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/271501-trump-grants-press-credentials-to-pro-white-radio-show

Trump's "my African-American" isn't even a Trump supporter.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/06/05/480864303/trumps-african-american-i-am-not-a-trump-supporter

Trump gives press credentials to white supremacist radio host.

http://www.nationalmemo.com/donald-trump-gives-interview-pres-credentials-to-white-supremacist/

Trump discriminated against Native-Americans as well.

http://www.courant.com/business/dan-haar/hc-haar-donald-trump-connecticut-indians-weicker-20150810-column.html

Six former contestants of The Apprentice blast Trump as a racist and sexist.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/former-apprentice-contestants-denounce-donald-trump-s-candidacy-n556306

Trumps father was arrested for attacking police officers at KKK rally.

http://boingboing.net/2015/09/09/1927-news-report-donald-trump.html
http://addictinginfo.org/2015/09/09/donald-trumps-dad-was-arrested-during-kkk-rally-that-attacked-two-police-officers/
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fred-trump-arrest-1927-kkk

Public Policy Polling polls Trump supporters and discovers:

60% Support banning Muslims from entering the United States

50% Support the Confederate flag hanging on the capital grounds

30% Support shutting down all mosques in the United States

30% Wish the South won the civil war

25% Islam should be illegal in the United States

25% Support the policy of Japanese Internment

20% Support banning homosexuals from entering the United States

10% Say Whites are a superior race

(11% aren’t sure one way or another)

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_SC_21616.pdf

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/one_out_of_three_trump_voters_in_sc_would_ban_gays_from_entering_the_u_s

http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/02/guess-how-many-donald-trump-supporters-want-gay-people-barred-from-entering-america/

Trump refuses to condemn violence against muslims and African-Americans committed by his supporters.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-idUSKCN0WM0RJ
http://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view/trump-refuses-to-condemn-violence-at-his-rallies

When asked for comments on two of his supporters who brutally beat and urinated on a Hispanic homeless man while yelling Pro-Trump Slogans, Trump responds by defending the men as just being "passionate".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/21/trump-says-fans-are-very-passionate-after-hearing-one-of-them-allegedly-assaulted-hispanic-man/
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/donald-trump-calls-boston-brothers-who-beat-homeless-hispanic-man-his-name-passionate-1516392
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/08/20/after-two-brothers-allegedly-beat-homeless-man-one-them-admiringly-quote-donald-trump-deporting-illegals/I4NXR3Dr7litLi2NB4f9TN/story.html

The Economist polls Trump supporters and discovers:

15% disapprove of slavery being abolished

- (Another 20% aren’t sure one way or another)

50% support the use of torture on foreign enemy combatants

- (Another 25% aren’t sure one way or another)

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/ctucuikdsj/econToplines.pdf

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/25/upshot/measuring-donald-trumps-supporters-for-intolerance.html?smid=tw-share&_r=2

http://time.com/4236640/donald-trump-racist-supporters/

80% of Trump's supporters claim to have no problem with racist comments.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/06/12/8o-percent-gop-voters-trumps-racist-comments-totally-fine.html

Trump falsely claims 4 out of 5 white people who were victims of homicide were murdered by blacks.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/23/donald-trump/trump-tweet-blacks-white-homicide-victims/
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bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Wed 14 Sep, 2016 05:51 am
@snood,
Quote:

Not only that, but the IRS has already made statements on this subject saying that a federal audit in no way prevents someone from making their returns public.


Richard M. Nixon released HIS taxes while under IRS audit.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Wed 14 Sep, 2016 06:37 am
https://s17.postimg.org/65b9j8dof/image.jpg
https://s17.postimg.org/uzurdayin/image.jpg
https://s17.postimg.org/vuhazc6db/donald_trump_alison_jackson_ss04.jpg
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McGentrix
 
  0  
Wed 14 Sep, 2016 07:11 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r589/duadmin/160913-pence-will-bash-women-and-gays-but-not-racists_zpsmayyxg6e.jpg


Where, even vaguely, is the bashing? He's not talking about bitches and fags. He's entitled to a conservative belief system. That's what that is. I understand that the concept of a different set of beliefs is foreign to you, but come on, bashing? Please.
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georgeob1
 
  -2  
Wed 14 Sep, 2016 08:10 am
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

Speaking as another snooty uppity over-educated female who dreams she might on some distant day be 'equal' but separate to more capable males, I think Hillary was soft on the deplorables. Her opposition actually believes they can continue to generate baseless outrage without any pushback. What a bunch of dopes. Only a moron thinks like that. The deplorables are drunk on the fumes of intolerance. Only a sissy would complain that someone hit back.


I thnk you missed the significance of what she said and did. She characterized "half of Trump supporters" as deplorable "Xenophobes, racists, homophobes, islamophobes", etc, thereby rather sweepingly characterizing whatever real concerns exist in those broad areas as exclusively a result of narrow minded prejudice. In effect she rejected the existence of any legitmate voter concerns in the areas of immigration and border control , race relations,the increasingly intrusive Federal government involvement in issues like rest rooms in public schools, increasing crime in our cities, and the traditional religious values of the many Americans, as simply prejudice. The fact is there are indeed real issues out there in each area and reasonable concerns behind them. Moreover they are indeed issues in this election.

I don't doubt that there is some element of narrow minded prejudice among Trump suporters in some of these areas , but Hillary had very clearly shown us all that there is also a major element of prejudice in the self-styled "liberals" (actually closet authoritarians) who oppose Trump.

She sneeringly mischaracterized large areas of her political opposition as stupid bigots. People aren't stupid and they quickly see through such self absorbed arrogance. I suspect Hillary will face some consequences for it.
revelette2
 
  3  
Wed 14 Sep, 2016 08:17 am
Trump is calling the inquiry into his foundation a hit job, but in this case there is a real incident to look into not vague speculations of what could be there as there are into the Clinton foundation.

Quote:
The New York Attorney General's Charities Bureau, which oversees regulating nonprofits in the state, has asked about a $25,000 donation the Trump Foundation made in September 2013 to "And Justice for All" — a political group connected to Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi.

All nonprofits are barred from making politically-related contributions.


source

(P.S. better Roger?)
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