revelette2
 
  4  
Sun 11 Sep, 2016 07:51 am
Quote:
Every single reporter and commentator closely following this race knows full well that Trump’s campaign is fueled, at least to some degree, by tacit or even overt appeals to bigotry or efforts to encourage a sense among many Trump backers that white identity and white America are under siege. We’ve all seen the polling data and the reporting. Many Republican voters agree with the highest-profile Trump statements and items on the Trump agenda, the ones that are most prominently intertwined with those appeals and messages:

1) Poll after poll after poll has shown that majorities or pluralities of Republican voters support Trump’s proposed temporary ban on Muslims from entering the United States. When CNN and NBC News interviewed Trump supporters at a rally in South Carolina, they found a lot of support for the ban.

Is this “Islamophobia,” as Clinton suggests? Well, many leading Republicans and conservatives evidently think so. Paul Ryan denounced Trump’s Muslim ban as a “religious test” that is an affront to conservatism, and in so doing, he went out of his way to characterize Muslim-Americans as patriots and defenders of American freedom, which conservatives hailed as an act of great moral courage. Never-Trump conservative twitter widely denounced Trump’s attacks on the Khan family as naked bigotry.

2) Poll after poll has shown that majorities of Republican voters support mass deportations. Some polling has shown substantial overlap between Trump backers and support for mass deportations. One poll found that a large majority of GOP voters thought Trump was “basically right” in describing Mexican immigrants as rapists and drug haulers, while perhaps not agreeing with his exact language. And yes, in all of these cases, Democrats who believe these things are equally “deplorable.”

Trump himself has knowingly crafted obviously racist appeals as an entree into the consciousness of GOP primary voters. The New York Times recently reported that before running, Trump “recognized an opportunity” to exploit “discomfort” over the “first black president,” which he “harnessed” for “political gain,” using it to spark “his connection with the largely white Republican base.” Even GOP leaders have described some of Trump’s comments as racism: Ryan denounced his drawn out assault on a Mexican-American judge as the “textbook definition of a racist comment.

Trump’s campaign CEO is Stephen Bannon, who has described himself as a creator of “the platform for the alt-right,” by which he means Breitbart, which one former Breitbart insider described as a “gathering place for white nationalism.” White nationalists themselves believe Trump’s elevation of Bannon heralds the displacement of the old GOP worldview with their own, and they hear a lot to like in Trump’s message. They feel as if Trump has “lifted them up,” as Clinton put it. So, yes, Trump’s campaign is functioning as a vehicle for mainstreaming fringe sentiments.

The American people know what Trump is doing. A recent Quinnipiac poll found that American voters say by 59-36 that “the way Trump talks appeals to bigotry.”

In the end, this flap inevitably leads us back into the endlessly debated question at the heart of Trumpism. Are Trump’s appeals resonating because of many voters’ own raw bigotry? Or is their susceptibility to bigoted appeals rooted in legitimate economic and cultural grievances? No question, many Trump supporters may be motivated by nothing more than dissatisfaction with our trade and economic policies, or anger at Washington’s dysfunction, or reasonable objections to current terrorism or immigration policies. In this context, people are missing the importance of the Clinton remarks that came after the incendiary ones. Clinton also said:

“That other basket of people are people who feel that government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures. They are just desperate for change. Doesn’t really even matter where it comes from.”

In other words, Clinton is also saying that many Trump supporters are not motivated by bigotry, i.e., that many people supporting Trump have legitimate anxieties. Trump is trying to prey on those anxieties by scapegoating Muslims and undocumented immigrants, but this might not be why many support him.

Clinton should not have overgeneralized about the other “half” of Trump’s supporters, and she may apologize for it or further clarify it at some point. She shouldn’t have called all these voters “deplorables.” But the underlying argument here — that Trump is running a bigoted campaign that tries to prey on legitimate grievances and bigotry alike by scapegoating minority groups — is inarguable, and the reality it identifies is far worse than Clinton’s broad-brush overreach was. If anything, “deplorable” is too mild a word for it.


Spare me the phony outrage over Clinton’s ‘basket of deplorables’ remark
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High Strangeness
 
  -3  
Sun 11 Sep, 2016 08:26 am
Trump wants to keep illegal Mexicans and muslims out of America, surely there's nothing wrong with that idea is there, or am I missing something?
thack45
 
  5  
Sun 11 Sep, 2016 08:58 am
@High Strangeness,
There is much that you're missing. Intentionally.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 11 Sep, 2016 09:55 am
@thack45,
High strangeness is indeed strange. He can't see the bigotry. How does he determine "illegal?" His bigotry is out in the open. He thinks like the bigot Trump who fails to understand our Constitution.
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revelette2
 
  2  
Sun 11 Sep, 2016 10:45 am
How Donald Trump retooled his charity to spend other people’s money
revelette2
 
  2  
Sun 11 Sep, 2016 10:51 am
5 Years of Donald Trump’s 9/11 Lies, Insults, and Slights

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glitterbag
 
  5  
Sun 11 Sep, 2016 10:54 am
@revelette2,
I would love to know what his plans are for a blind trust for his financial interests if he becomes president. Do you think he will select someone to cheat small business owners on his behalf while he's busy making America great?
RABEL222
 
  1  
Sun 11 Sep, 2016 05:03 pm
@giujohn,
Show me how this could be done?

Quote:
I see you deleted another one of my responses...kiddie games ...how pathetic.
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RABEL222
 
  2  
Sun 11 Sep, 2016 05:25 pm
@High Strangeness,
Yes you are missing something. Google Trumps taxes.
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Sun 11 Sep, 2016 06:09 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
These two decisions should prompt new calls for Trump to release his tax returns. He claims, falsely, that he cannot release his returns since 2012 because they are being audited. But a tax return is filed under penalty of perjury and releasing a return has no effect on an audit, as many tax authorities (including a former IRS commissioner) have noted.


Trump is a known liar. What else can we expect?
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georgeob1
 
  0  
Sun 11 Sep, 2016 06:31 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

I would love to know what his plans are for a blind trust for his financial interests if he becomes president. Do you think he will select someone to cheat small business owners on his behalf while he's busy making America great?


I expect he may create such a trust with some of his children in charge. That's what the Clintons did, though they kept a retinie of political and personal assistants for both Bill and Hillary on the Foundation payroll, thereby directly involving each in Foundation operations, and Used the Family trust to buy and operate consulting companies that got State department busiuness and also employed dear Huma.

Do you know that Trump cheats small business owners, or are you just sauying that? Obamacare and related health insurance rules, together with increased minimum wages have done far more to hurt samll businesses and stigle the creation of entry level jobs. The Federal minimum wage law is a payoff to the SEIU and other Labor unions which usually peg their contract labor rates to the Minimum wage. Thus a minimum wage rise is an immediate windfall to union workers and the unions themselves which get 1-2% of the raise for their own unaccountable spending.
Blickers
 
  2  
Sun 11 Sep, 2016 09:59 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote George:
Quote:
The Federal minimum wage law is a payoff to the SEIU and other Labor unions which usually peg their contract labor rates to the Minimum wage. Thus a minimum wage rise is an immediate windfall to union workers and the unions themselves which get 1-2% of the raise for their own unaccountable spending.

Really? Highway construction workers getting $45 an hour are pegging their union wage rates to the minimum wage?

Where do you get this stuff? Rolling Eyes
roger
 
  2  
Sun 11 Sep, 2016 10:03 pm
@Blickers,
If the contract calls for three times minimum wage, it is pegged to minimum wage.
Blickers
 
  1  
Sun 11 Sep, 2016 10:06 pm
@roger,
Have you ever come across a union contract that pegged the wage rates to X times the minimum wage? I've worked union places, and I never have. They just collectively bargained the wage per job and that was that. Most union shops were well above minimum wage anyway.
roger
 
  2  
Sun 11 Sep, 2016 10:12 pm
@Blickers,
Not what I meant. If the wage is directly related to minimum wage, it is pegged to it. Just because the wage is pegged to minimum doesn't at all mean it is identical to minimum wage.

I've worked in several union shops, too, but none that were evenly remotely related to construction.
glitterbag
 
  4  
Sun 11 Sep, 2016 10:17 pm
@georgeob1,
Oh George, really? Let me guess, you think Trump is a prince who creates job opportunities for small businesses. You were in the military, how long would you have been able to stay if your commanding officers learned you didn't pay your bills? During my time with DOD, we saw people removed from the office for being deadbeats. They would lose their clearances, but apparently a few of you can dream up reasons why Trump doesn't have to pay the little people. Oops, I didn't mean to imply you are a Trump man, perhaps you just admire his chutzpah and total contempt for the working man.
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glitterbag
 
  1  
Sun 11 Sep, 2016 10:21 pm
@georgeob1,
One more thing, putting his children in charge mocks the notion of a blind trust. Or haven't you been listening to the hysteria that Chelsea might stay on. For purity sake, they want Chelsea out of the charity. What's good for the goose.....

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Blickers
 
  1  
Sun 11 Sep, 2016 10:23 pm
@roger,
Okay, have you ever come across a union shop that had its wage scale some multiple of the minimum wage in the contract? Like this job is 3.2X minimum wage, and that job is 2.7X minimum wage? I don't think such union contracts are common, if they exist at all.

Blickers
 
  1  
Sun 11 Sep, 2016 10:27 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote georgeob1:
Quote:
Obamacare and related health insurance rules, together with increased minimum wages have done far more to hurt samll businesses and stigle the creation of entry level jobs.

When Obama first took office, the country had LOST 6 Million Full Time jobs the previous year. Now the country has GAINED over 5 Million Full Time jobs the past two years. How's Obama scaring off job creation again?
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roger
 
  1  
Sun 11 Sep, 2016 10:43 pm
@Blickers,
No, and I have stated none of my jobs involved construction. They do seem to have some special considerations, including federal and at least in New Mexico state law working in their favor.
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