farmerman
 
  5  
Mon 5 Sep, 2016 05:32 pm
@giujohn,
oh great sachem, what exactly did the highly paid prosecutors and investigators actually find on whitewater??

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giujohn
 
  -4  
Mon 5 Sep, 2016 07:07 pm
@farmerman,
That the taxpayer was on the hook for 65 million
RABEL222
 
  4  
Mon 5 Sep, 2016 09:11 pm
@giujohn,
Since you realized you were losing you changed the subject again dident you liar.
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MontereyJack
 
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Mon 5 Sep, 2016 10:35 pm
@McGentrix,
Kinda depends on where the camera is placed. The camera in youjr video is clearly much farther toward the front than in the other video, and people still seem to be finding seats in front of it. Which kinda suggests that there were no people behind it to complain about blocking their view.i.e. that the church was in fact mostly empty.
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izzythepush
 
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Tue 6 Sep, 2016 02:35 am
@giujohn,
You must have a book of old cracker jokes somewhere, because I can remember my grandfather telling me that one, and it was antique back then.

When occasionally you do get something right I'll point it out. I've not been doing much of that.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  4  
Tue 6 Sep, 2016 06:08 am

The Cowardice of Donald Trump


He’s built his reputation on straight talk—but when the Republican candidate sits down with the groups he vilifies, he exhibits a striking change.
Carlo Allegri / Reuters

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/the-cowardice-of-donald-trump/498704/

Crusaders against “political correctness” often portray themselves as brave. They deride others for knuckling under to left-wing orthodoxy, for being too afraid of African Americans, Latinos, feminists, and gays to speak the truth. They, on the other hand, speak their mind, come what may.

No presidential candidate has used this conceit more effectively than Donald Trump. His supporters love his willingness to say things about Mexicans, Muslims, and African Americans that ordinary politicians won’t say for fear of being called a bigot. That’s part of what they mean when they say he “doesn’t talk like a politician.”


But over the last couple of weeks, Trump has illustrated something important about the anti-politically correct. They’re most comfortable confronting PC orthodoxy when the people they’re confronting aren’t around. Once they actually encounter African Americans, Latinos, and other minority groups, they become a lot less brave.

In an effort to soften his image, Trump has recently begun doing something he previous avoided: Talking to blacks and Latinos. Two weeks ago, he met with his Hispanic advisory council. According to media reports, he was “humble” and “conciliatory.” Did he call for deporting the undocumented immigrants already in the US, as he has repeatedly promised his overwhelmingly white crowds? Nope. According to Jacob Monty, who attended the meeting, Trump said “deporting them is neither possible nor humane.”

Then, last week, Trump flew to Mexico City to meet President Enrique Peña Nieto. Did he repeat the pledge that brings white crowds to their feet: That Mexico will pay for a wall along the two countries’ border? Nope. Beforehand, the two sides agreed not to discuss the subject. When Peña Nieto brought it up anyway, and announced that Mexico would never foot the bill, did Trump set him straight? Nope. Rudy Giuliani, who was attending the meeting on Trump’s behalf, reportedly declared the topic “off the table” and The Donald moved on to less controversial subjects.

When Trump appeared publicly with Peña Nieto after their meeting, he again “avoided direct confrontation,” in the Washington Post’s words. He called it a “great, great, honor” to be invited to the country he has repeatedly trashed during the campaign. And he declared that he had “tremendous feelings” for the “tremendous” Mexican American people, a group he famously derided as rapists and drug dealers in his announcement speech.

But once Trump left Mexico and addressed an overwhelmingly white, anti-immigrant crowd that evening in Arizona, the Post noted, he ditched his “subdued and cooperative tone” and “returned to the aggressive tenor that has defined much of his campaign. Repeatedly raising his voice to a yell, he said that ‘anyone who has entered the United States illegally is subject to deportation.’”

The oscillation continued this weekend, when Trump addressed an African American congregation in Detroit. “Trump’s subdued rhetoric,” noted Politico, “was a jarring contrast to his typically boisterous rallies.” The Republican nominee said nothing about Black Lives Matter being responsibility for the murder of police, as he had told Bill O’Reilly. He didn’t imply, as he has to white audiences, that African Americans are prone to voter fraud. He said nothing about Barack Obama not being born in the United States. He didn’t repeat his claims that blacks should vote for him because their lives are so miserable that they have nothing “to lose.” Instead, he flattered his audience, calling black churches “the conscience of our country,” which had inspired America “toward a better moral character, a deeper concern for mankind, and spirit of charity and unity that binds us all together.” Trump’s remarks, noted the Post, constituted a “jarring shift in tone and message.”

This isn’t surprising. Even more than most politicians, Trump lives for the approval of the crowd. His ego is so overdeveloped, and his ideological convictions so underdeveloped, that it’s hard to imagine him walking into a room and saying things he knows his audience doesn’t want to hear. But Trump isn’t alone. Put Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, or most of the other conservatives who have made a career of being anti-PC in a small room with Latinos, African Americans, or Muslims and I suspect their rhetoric would dramatically soften, too. It’s harder to speak bluntly and nastily about people when they’re staring you in the face. It’s also harder because when you actually listen to them, they often defy your stereotypes. Up close, their grievances become harder to dismiss.

I’m glad Trump is now speaking to more diverse crowds. I’m glad because, in so doing, he’s proving that when it comes to “political correctness,” conservative politicians and pundits aren’t more courageous than their liberal counterparts. They’re just more isolated from the ethnic and racial minorities about whom they speak. When the distance disappears, the “bravery” does too.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 6 Sep, 2016 06:11 am
@McGentrix,
What? You can't believe your lying eyes. There were photos and a video. and the words of people who are members of the congregation.
revelette2
 
  4  
Tue 6 Sep, 2016 06:18 am
The Latest: Trump Says Mexican President Broke Ground Rules

Quote:
The Latest on campaign 2016 (all times Eastern):

7:10 a.m.

Donald Trump says the Mexican president violated some "ground rules" by admitting that the two did actually discuss payment of his proposed border wall between the two countries, but he adds, "that's ok."

In an interview aired Tuesday on ABC's Good Morning America," Trump said, "the fact is Mexico will pay for the wall," adding, "it was discussed that it wouldn't be discussed, but they know my stance and I know their stance."

Trump made a last minute trip to Mexico last week to meet with President Enrique Pena Nieto. At a joint press conference, Trump told reporters that payment of his proposed border wall was not discussed. Pena Nieto later tweeted that it was discussed and he "made it clear" that Mexico would not pay.

"See who wins in the end, who will win," Trump told ABC. "A hundred percent, they will pay for the wall."
McGentrix
 
  -3  
Tue 6 Sep, 2016 06:19 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

What? You can't believe your lying eyes. There were photos and a video. and the words of people who are members of the congregation.


Then you can share those, right?
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Tue 6 Sep, 2016 06:19 am
@giujohn,
At least they spelt it right, but the "Urban Dictionary AND no link?

Which is it that Hillary does: ".... not shower, shave, or go to work.... smokes crack and doesn't have a job ..."?

And this: "#dick bag #sleeze bucket #scum bag #scum bucket #jerk off" - staying classy - the Barney we know and love.
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Tue 6 Sep, 2016 06:21 am
@McGentrix,
Seriously, I am not reposting what others and I documented earlier in this thread because you pick and choose what you will read.
revelette2
 
  3  
Tue 6 Sep, 2016 07:01 am
Trump pays IRS a penalty for his foundation violating rules with gift to aid Florida attorney general



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cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 6 Sep, 2016 09:29 am
@revelette2,
Somebody with big bucks should offer Trump a bet that Mexico will not pay for his wall. Like $1 billion.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 6 Sep, 2016 10:29 am
@giujohn,
Why do you favor Trump?
McGentrix
 
  -4  
Tue 6 Sep, 2016 10:37 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Seriously, I am not reposting what others and I documented earlier in this thread because you pick and choose what you will read.


Oh, ok, just point to the posts where you and others have already documented the information. I only saw your post and video. Should be easy for you to do.
cicerone imposter
 
  4  
Tue 6 Sep, 2016 03:28 pm
@giujohn,
Polls have been a mixed bag. Most polls show Clinton leading, and Trump catching up. It was found that Trump wins with the white uneducated men, but losses with white women. We all know how Trump is doing with minorities - especially Hispanics, and Trump can't win without the minority vote. I think when Election Day arrives, Hispanics are going to vote in the highest level in history to make sure Trump losses.
 

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