The Future President, Donald Trump

@Finn dAbuzz,

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What do they have to lose?

Their dignity.

Cycloptichorn

@Finn dAbuzz,

FACT: Black American women in college is the highest in enrollment and leads all groups.
http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2014/02/know-black-women-lead-groups-college-enrollment-watch/

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@cicerone imposter,

And White males are at the bottom of the list. The bottom.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Nonsense

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Nonsense

They don't seem to see it that way, but hey, you just tell 'em how they've been screwing it up all these years by not voting GOP, that'll work.

I'm going to go ahead and expand this: anyone voting for Trump is sacrificing their dignity, because no matter what the professed reason is (almost all Tribalism), every one of you knows he's a ******* clown.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Sorry One Eye, I didn't realize you had a mainline of communication to all African-Americans.

Speak for yourself. That you think you can speak for them is pretty offensive.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Sorry One Eye, I didn't realize you had a mainline of communication to all African-Americans.

It's easy! You just actually ask them how they feel about things. Barring an ability to do that, you can simply look at their voting preferences historically.

The problem is that the Conservatives in this country seem to be completely unable to fathom why they vote the way they do and have unfortunately latched on to 'ignorance' as the answer.

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Speak for yourself. That you think you can speak for them is pretty offensive.

Save it, I doubt they would be too offended by what I wrote above. I haven't noticed a whole ton of AA's getting offended over the years by people who point out that their voting preferences aren't, in fact, based in ignorance, but instead of a shared remembrance of who was behind their continued and prolonged oppression: Conservatives.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Oh, and you'e asked "them"?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Both in the personal, face-to-face discussion sense, and in the reading of opinions and works by prominent AA authors, politicians, economists and political pundits, yes - I have. Along with reading a lot of analysis of voting patterns in different elections and polling in our current one.

To be honest, as an active member of the Dem party and someone who does a lot of volunteer work, I'm actually involved with this community and have spent a lot of time over the years with people who aren't afraid to talk about their political motivations. I can see how that would be a tad bit more difficult coming from the opposite side of the fence.

As it relates to Trump and AA's, the end of the matter is that he and his family were long known to be absolutely racist towards AA's and Hispanics in the 70's and were sued by the DoJ for it. Word gets around and people remember. And this really isn't anything new - even when I was a lot younger, pretty much every minority I knew hated Trump and thought he was a clown, which is perceptive of them, because he absolutely is.

Cycloptichorn

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

What do they have to lose?

What has almost monolithic support for Democrats got them?

Despite the fact that any sane person in this country will say that racism in America has consistently diminished since the 60's, liberals want to argue that it stands out there as this horrible, amorphous monster that remains dedicated to the persecution of blacks, and must be confronted by Democratic candidates.

Never mind that the notion of Jim Crow laws is repugnant to 99% of American (and, more importantly, they have been wiped from the books).

Never mind that Americans have, in the main, been favorably inclined towards programs that will help blacks recover from a long history of racism.

Never mind that there are examples galore of motivated, hard working blacks actually making it in America

Never mind we have a president who is 50% black and self identifies as "African-American."

Were Democrats responsible for these advances? Yes in part and maybe even in the main, but they have decided that taking credit for them is not worth promoting the idea that nothing has changed.

Never mind that the conditions in African-American communities are, by comparison, abhorent. It's that ugly, undying force of Racism. The noble liberals have fought their hardest to make things better but they get stymied all the time by racists.

Never mind all of this, because it is just to juicy an argument to make that blacks are oppressed and need to vote for Democrats.

Only Democrats advance and accept the pathetic argument that they shouldn't be held accountable for their failure to deliver on promises made because of the power of the evil minority.

If they can't defeat the evil minority, why vote for them?

It is breathtakingly cynical, but it works, in no small measure, because intelligent and educated individuals such as yourself are more concerned about tribal loyalties than reality.

What the hell is racist about "What do you have to lose?"

Abso-goddamn-lutely.

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@bobsal u1553115,

Well, my family is from across the river in West Virginia. I didn't hear Trumps speech as I don't listen to much on TV or Radio because it's useless repeats of the same drivel daily. So, Not knowing that Trump's speech was being mocked, I generally judge something as being racist if I can just change one word and make it about a different group of people. If I can change "redneck" to or whatever other term of endearment to the "N-word" then I deem it racist.

Being a millitary brat and third born I didn't have the plleasure of growing up around the rednecks in West Virginia. But my grandmother did live with us for awhile I distinctly remember her complaining to my father that I "brought a n-word into this house" after I had a friend over to play chess one afternoon.

I know you guys will go to extremes to find fault with Trump, that's expected. But try a little bit to keep perspective. Even with as big a mouth as Trump has, he won't be blatantly racist. You will think he is, but he isn't.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Nonsense

They don't seem to see it that way, but hey, you just tell 'em how they've been screwing it up all these years by not voting GOP, that'll work.

I'm going to go ahead and expand this: anyone voting for Trump is sacrificing their dignity, because no matter what the professed reason is (almost all Tribalism), every one of you knows he's a ******* clown.

Cycloptichorn

Too many voted for Obama for the simple reason that he was a black man for you to get too indignant here. I don't think you have the pulse of the people that you think you do.

You seem to be speaking for me now and you certainly don't know me.

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@Cycloptichorn,

It's entertaining in a cringe-y kind of a way - watching Finn challenge you on your "speaking for AAs" bonafides, and seeing you trying to explain that your confidence comes from having actually talked to actual, real black people. Seems a simple enough way to gain knowledge of a community - ******* talking to them.

I've long had a pretty clear concept of the kind of bubble inside which Finn resides and squints out, formulating his stiflingly reprobate aryan-centric opinions. This exchange between you two has added even more definition to the picture. It is a formidable bubble, made even stronger by the way those inside it willfully stay there (unfortunately Finn is not alone, but the ranks are dwindling). Squinting out through its distorted lens; so utterly, happily ignorant.

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@giujohn,

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Additionally many jobs that came back after recession more low-paying jobs especially for the black community.

That's NOT true. Median weekly pay for African-Americans is now higher than before the crash. Also, African-Americans, with 13% of the population, have gotten 20% of the Full Time jobs GAINED in the last three years.

Greater percentage of the jobs gained and higher pay. That's not doing bad at all.

By the way, I told you this before today, but you just keep on repeating.....and repeating......and repeating......

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@McGentrix,

Obama was elected twice, because the American people voted for the right man. It has nothing to do with his color. His approval rating (by all Americans) is over 50%.
From HuffPost:

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President Barack Obama’s job approval rating has seen notable improvement over the last few weeks. About 48 percent of people approved of the president’s performance at the beginning of 2016 ― but now, after steadily increasing for a few months and a recent spike, that number is up to 51 percent and his disapproval rating is down to 46 percent.

Only small minded bigots will vote for Trump. His record shows he's a textbook racial bigot. He didn't rent to blacks, and now wants their votes.

He's a scam artist. Ever hear of Trump University? How about Trump steaks or Trump vodka?

http://www.newsweek.com/2015/10/23/myths-half-truths-about-immigration-reform-382855.html

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Quote Finn:

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What has almost monolithic support for Democrats [From African-Americans] got them?

Well, for starters, black people, with 13% of the population, have gotten 20% of Full Time jobs gained in the last three years. And their inflation-adjusted Median Weekly pay is now higher than before the crash.

More Full Time jobs than the general population, higher pay-sounds like a pretty good direction to me.

Oh, I forgot-the number of black murders, along with the number of white murders, has declined under Obama. Something you are not going to hear much of from the "The whole damn country is going to HELL!!" conservatives.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Maybe, maybe not.

I have no real reason to believe or not believe your professed bonafides and you have no right to assume what mine might or might not be.

So it's a wash.

Let's stick to the question: "What do blacks have to lose voting for Trump?"

Any contention that they will losing freedom by helping to put an arch racist in the White House is ridiculous hyperbole.

Do you imagine that at the top of his agenda will be to reimpose Jim Crow laws?

I love when white liberals try and tell me how good blacks have it thanks to Obama.

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@Blickers,

I don't know where you're getting your figures from but according to the Department of Labor Bureau statistics the average median weekly wage for a black male in 2007 was $600 in 2016 money that's $703... the average median weekly wage for a black man and 2016 and $704... incidentally that's only 74% of what a white male earns

As for your dubious 20% figure again, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, African American families suffer disproportionately from labor market downturns and reap disproportionate gains during recoveries.

Lastly, the black unemployment rate is still over 8%

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Blacks have already lost under Trump. He paid for a full page ad to execute five blacks who were charged with raping a white woman, but they were innocent. Trump discriminated against blacks by not renting to them. At one of his casinos, he told the manager he wanted Jews to country his money, not blacks.
This isn't a 'liberal' issue. It's a racial bigot Trump issue.
Trump questioned Obama's presidency, saying he was born in Kenya. All lies.
Trump also demanded to see Obama's birth certificate, because he claimed Obama was not qualified to be our president.

Trump even insulted the family of a war hero.

Add to that his demeaning words about women.

Trump doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut.

From your postings, I am now assured you are also a racial bigot. You're an apologist for white supremacists like Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trump-is-a-bigot-and-a-racist/2015/12/01/a2a47b96-9872-11e5-8917-653b65c809eb_story.html?utm_term=.df6fb95d0923

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@cicerone imposter,

Yeah yeah...

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