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Fri 19 Aug, 2016 09:39 am
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 19 Aug, 2016 09:40 am
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 19 Aug, 2016 09:41 am
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revelette2
 
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Fri 19 Aug, 2016 09:51 am
I wouldn't get too cocky yet, bobsol. I am kind of worried. Manaford resigned. Bannon is now in charge of his campaign. He may just turn it around. Trump is visiting Louisiana flood victims. No one that I know is talking about that horrible flood.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 19 Aug, 2016 09:52 am
While eating man's face, Florida 'cannibal killer' wore Trump 'Make America Great Again' hat


I probably shouldn't even post this. Obviously, this murderous cretin's political views had nothing to do with Trump, but the irony- not sure that's the correct word- is so enormous.

It's nothing to joke about. He committed a horrific double murder. Steroids were involved. It doesn't indict Trump supporters as a whole, but still that he was wearing a "Make America Great Again" hat while perpetrating this crime, struck me.

read:http://boingboing.net/2016/08/18/while-eating-mans-face-flor.html
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 19 Aug, 2016 09:55 am
@revelette2,
What will hurt us is if we get too cocky about tRumps Grand Fail and don't vote or don't do anything to get the vote out. The Big Dog said it best: we need to think like we're running behind tRump. We need to keep the pressure om and our spirits up.
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Brand X
 
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Fri 19 Aug, 2016 02:08 pm
Trump - “Everyone talks about, ‘Oh, you’ve got to pivot,’” Trump added in La Crosse, Wis. “I don’t want to pivot. I don’t want to change.

“You have to be you. If you start pivoting, you’re not being honest with people. No, I am who I am.”

The pivot to dishonesty(more of) - Trump - 'Sometimes, in the heat of debate and speaking on a multitude of issues, you don’t choose the right words or you say the wrong thing. I have done that, and I regret it, particularly where it may have caused personal pain. Too much is at stake for us to be consumed with these issues.'
revelette2
 
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Sat 20 Aug, 2016 08:18 am
Fact Checker: Trump’s bizarre claim from new ad

Quote:
In Hillary Clinton’s America, “illegal immigrants … [are] collecting Social Security benefits, skipping the line.”
–voice-over in a Donald Trump campaign ad, Aug. 19, 2016


Quote:
The Donald Trump campaign released its first political ad of the general election, focused on immigration. It begins with a hypothetical situation of what immigration would look like under Democrat Hillary Clinton’s America.

The narrator says: “In Hillary Clinton’s America, the system stays rigged against Americans. Syrian refugees flood in. Illegal immigrants convicted of committing crimes get to stay. Collecting Social Security benefits, skipping the line. Our border open. It’s more of the same, but worse.”
Is the claim about undocumented immigrants collecting Social Security benefits accurate?

The Facts

The ad cites a report on the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents (DAPA) programs by the Center for Immigration Studies, which opposes illegal immigration. It also refers to Clinton’s immigration proposal. The Trump campaign did not respond to our request for more information.

Clinton supports “comprehensive immigration reform” and has vowed that within her first 100 days in office, she will introduce a plan to overhaul the immigration system with a pathway to full citizenship. Clinton also supports President Obama’s executive actions on DACA and DAPA. DAPA is pending in court under litigation, and DACA went into effect in 2012.

DAPA and DACA grantees are considered lawfully present in the United States. They can apply for a Social Security number once they receive work permits. They earn Social Security and Medicare benefits through their payroll taxes — meaning they must be paying taxes. To collect the benefits, they must reach retirement age and must have worked for at least 10 years, according to the National Immigration Law Center.

DACA grantees will not yet reach retirement age if Clinton becomes president and serves two terms in office. DACA grantees must have been under 31 as of June 15, 2012, and meet several other criteria to be eligible. So if Clinton serves two terms and leaves office in 2025, the oldest DACA grantees would be 43.

Moreover, once people receive deferred-action status under DACA, they are considered lawfully present in the United States. So they would not be “illegal immigrants,” as the ad says. About 728,000 people have been granted DACA — 6 percent of the estimated undocumented immigrant population of 11 million.

Unauthorized immigrants, who are not granted any deferred-action status, are not eligible to receive Social Security benefits or any other federal means-tested benefits. But they pay taxes and pay into the Social Security system.

Even though the majority of unauthorized immigrants can’t collect the benefits, they paid about $12 billion into the cash flow of the Social Security program in 2010, according to the Social Security actuary. (Some undocumented immigrants could theoretically collect benefits — illegally — if they’ve overstayed their visas or falsely obtained a Social Security number.) That means the U.S. government gets far more than it pays out when it comes to unauthorized immigrants.

In the ad, Trump also talks about Clinton’s proposal for deporting undocumented immigrants convicted of crimes (“Illegal immigrants convicted of committing crimes get to stay,” the ad claims). But Clinton’s proposal would enforce immigration laws by focusing resources on detaining and deporting people who “pose a violent threat to public safety.”

Washington Post opinions writer Greg Sargent pointed out that the language in this ad is inconsistent with Trump’s proposal of mass deportations. All undocumented immigrants are in the United States illegally, and in a sense have all broken the law. But Trump singles out those who are “committing crimes,” which indicates he is prioritizing undocumented immigrants who pose a threat to the public.

While the ad says Clinton’s America would have “open borders,” Clinton has supported efforts to increase border security.

The Pinocchio Test

The Republican presidential nominee makes a bizarre claim that undocumented immigrants will collect Social Security under a Clinton presidency. In general, people in the United States illegally are not eligible to collect Social Security benefits. They must be granted some type of lawful status — either by obtaining legal status or being granted deferred action.
Even then, it’s not accurate to say they are “skipping the line.” People who obtain lawful status under DACA need to work for at least 10 years, pay taxes and reach retirement age before they are eligible to receive Social Security benefits.

Trump has already earned 41 Four-Pinocchio ratings. We would have liked to see the nominee finally stick closer to the facts in his first general-election ad. Unfortunately, this ad is — to borrow a line from its script — “more of the same.” The broad assertion in this ad is just not supported by facts, and thus earns Four Pinocchios.

Four Pinocchios
revelette2
 
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Sat 20 Aug, 2016 08:59 am
@Brand X,
"And believe it or not, I regret it."We choose not to believe it.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Sat 20 Aug, 2016 09:33 am
@revelette2,
The Social Security/Welfare scam lies have angered me for years. So is what is almost totally ignored: the undocumented workers have been contributing to SSI and will never ever collect for it. They pay into IRS and never get a return. They pay taxes for other services they will never ever get to use, like like recourse to the police. Undocumented workers support us. They aren't largely criminals because they need to lay low just to keep their low paying jobs.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Sat 20 Aug, 2016 10:05 am
@revelette2,
I bet he does regret it, but that's not the same as apologizing for the things he said. If he hadn't been convinced by someone that the things he said were hurting his chances of winning, I doubt he would have said he regretted them.

It's not really any different from all the other political "apologies" that are insincere.
DrewDad
 
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Sat 20 Aug, 2016 11:06 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
IMO, his regrets stem from his so-called strategy not working anymore, not from any kind of genuine remorse.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Sat 20 Aug, 2016 11:09 am
@DrewDad,
Agreed, he's gathered up all the angry white males and rednecks over 70 years old there are.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Sat 20 Aug, 2016 11:35 am
@DrewDad,
I tend to agree
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 20 Aug, 2016 11:52 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Nothing like a little fact checking on illegal immigrants.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/cost-of-illegal-immigrants/
snood
 
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Sat 20 Aug, 2016 12:53 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

IMO, his regrets stem from his so-called strategy not working anymore, not from any kind of genuine remorse.

His contrived "regrets" come straight from the lips of Kellyanne Conway, passing right through Trump and into the microphone. I would really worry about anyone who actually takes this to mean Trump suddenly discovered empathy or compassion. Damn, what a crock.
georgeob1
 
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Sat 20 Aug, 2016 01:11 pm
@snood,
Do you find much real empathy in Hillary?
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Sat 20 Aug, 2016 01:22 pm
@georgeob1,
I think I've read that sociopaths tend be incapable of empathy, but then I saw her tell the African-American DJs that she always carries hot sauce in her purse, so I'm conflicted.
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snood
 
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Sat 20 Aug, 2016 01:39 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

Do you find much real empathy in Hillary?

Yeah, I do.
Figured you or Finn (or foofie or Lash, or ....)would ask. Rather than admit to any of the vast landscape of blotches and blemishes that keep revealing themselves on the Republican candidate, a reliable few of you predictably kneejerk to find an equivalence. Yeah, Trump appears to be an insensitive jerk, but so's Hillary! Nyah!

Clinton actually has some history legislating and governing that's instructive to anyone sincerely looking for tells about motive and character. For instance her efforts to secure healthcare for children and families stretch over decades, beginning with some of her earliest work as a lawyer. Those efforts began before there was a need for photo ops or favorable 'humanizing' on the editorial pages, and they have a compassionate effect on real people's lives.
georgeob1
 
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Sat 20 Aug, 2016 01:47 pm
@snood,
I'll readily concede Hillary has always been willing to use other people's money to pay off her constituent followers and dependencies. Still a strange definition of empathy.
 

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