giujohn
 
  -2  
Sun 31 Jul, 2016 12:32 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

Quote:
it's the disconnect between the Republican party and the Republican voter it's about their desire not to see any more appeasement by the Republican establishment. That's why no matter what Trump says or does his supporters will vote for him.

Yep, it's all about those people putting their own refusal to compromise ahead of country. No other reason for them to support Trump so blindly.

They are not patriots. That is for sure.

And that's the problem it appears as though we've accepted way too many compromises when the Republican establishment tries to appease the Democrats especially now that they have unity in the party... Unity with a bunch of socialists!
Brandon9000
 
  0  
Sun 31 Jul, 2016 12:34 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
...I haven't heard Trump say it was a joke and he has had plenty of time. It wasn't.

You are wrong:

"Of course I'm being sarcastic. And they don't even know frankly if it's Russia."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/donald-trump-russia-hack-sarcasm-226343#ixzz4G0qiyeUu

revelette2
 
  4  
Sun 31 Jul, 2016 12:36 pm
@giujohn,
I don't mean to be infantile, but it just fits, you are copying the Bernie Sanders real complaint because it sure isn't real in congress. The republicans under Obama couldn't have been more obstructionist.
revelette2
 
  3  
Sun 31 Jul, 2016 12:38 pm
@Brandon9000,
I stand corrected. I don't have proof, but like others more smarter than me, if it was truly a joke, it fell flat and showed what he total flake he would be as a president to joke about something like that.

There was no of course about it, even highly thought of republicans had something to say about it which is why he had to backtrack and say he was joking or words to that effect.
giujohn
 
  -2  
Sun 31 Jul, 2016 01:10 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

I don't mean to be infantile, but it just fits, you are copying the Bernie Sanders real complaint because it sure isn't real in congress. The republicans under Obama couldn't have been more obstructionist.


Oh please, don't be so naive. If the Republicans control the Congress opposing the Democratic president is par for the course... That's why it's called partisan politics. The reason Trump exists is because the Republican establishment did not oppose Obama on issues like those where he has usurped Authority and has attempted to construct legislation by Fiat and where they did not use the power of the purse to defund these illegalities.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Mon 1 Aug, 2016 05:12 am
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CowgC8nVYAAf6TM.jpg
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Mon 1 Aug, 2016 05:18 am
@revelette2,
It's what bigots have always done when what they say causes outrage, they backtrack and pretend it's a joke.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Mon 1 Aug, 2016 05:42 am
Meghan McCain attacks Trump on Twitter
"I would ask what kind of barbarian would attack the parents of a fallen soldier, but oh yeah it's the same person who attacks POW's."

https://twitter.com/MeghanMcCain/status/759590690548350977
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snood
 
  3  
Mon 1 Aug, 2016 05:51 am
How does he stay afloat in the polls, with so much of his own party being against him?
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Mon 1 Aug, 2016 06:06 am
@snood,
He had a convention bounce. And a lot of his supporters can't and or won't vote. Plus it sells news ad space to imply there's a horse race.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Mon 1 Aug, 2016 06:11 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Is it that, like Brexit, a certain amount of the population feels that any recovery/economic upturn has not touched them? So cries of things being a lot worse fall on deaf ears because things are really bad right now.

Not that Trump cares about them, he just wants to get his hands on some of Putin's oil money.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Mon 1 Aug, 2016 06:29 am
Political Wire's Quote of the Day -- From Lindsey Graham

“There used to be some things that were sacred in American politics, that you don’t do, like criticizing the parents of a fallen soldier, even if they criticize you. If you’re going to be leader of the free world, you have to be able to accept criticism, and Mr. Trump can’t.”

— Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), quoted by the New York Times, adding that “unacceptable” doesn’t even begin to describe Donald Trump’s behavior.

###

https://politicalwire.com/2016/07/31/quote-of-the-day-1340/
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Mon 1 Aug, 2016 06:38 am
@izzythepush,
Its the total disconnect with reality.

Compared with the last administration: Housing starts are up, jobs are up, inflation is low, unemployment is down, crime is still on a thirty year decline, homelessness is down, Obama's sent more undocumented than any other President, the number of undocumented living in the US has dropped dramatically, new car sales are so high - a good used car is almost worthless as a trade in. The economy has been good for most people and most people have been brought up by it.

But they still want their "America" back. And for some reason they defend the wealthy's rights over their own.
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snood
 
  2  
Mon 1 Aug, 2016 06:38 am
@bobsal u1553115,
People like Graham want to have it both ways. They want to turn up their noses and criticize Trump's foolishness at every turn, but when pressed they say they'll still support the Republican candidate. What happened to taking a principled stand?
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Mon 1 Aug, 2016 06:43 am
@snood,
I don't think he's supported him in any way. A lot of GOPers are cutting him loose. Bloomberg spoke at the DNConvention. Some have even left the GOP.

But the fact also is: both Clinton and tRump have about equal negative ratings. I worry about that suppressing voter turnout, and we need to worry about Congress.
snood
 
  2  
Mon 1 Aug, 2016 06:49 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

I don't think he's supported him in any way. A lot of GOPers are cutting him loose. Bloomberg spoke at the DNConvention. Some have even left the GOP.

But the fact also is: both Clinton and tRump have about equal negative ratings. I worry about that suppressing voter turnout, and we need to worry about Congress.



Here's a Mother Jones article in May with Lindsay Graham encouraging others to unite behind Trump.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Mon 1 Aug, 2016 06:56 am
@snood,
NEVER.EVER.thought.I'd.be."defending".Lindsey.freaking.Graham.

Lindsey Graham won't vote for Trump or Clinton in 2016

By Dana Bash, CNN

Updated 5:49 PM ET, Fri May 6, 2016

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/06/politics/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-not-vote/index.html

Sen. Lindsey Graham mounted his own unsuccessful bid for the White House in 2016
But he says he can't support either of the major party nominees and won't vote this year

Washington (CNN)Sen. Lindsey Graham, one of Donald Trump's most outspoken Republican critics, says he will not vote for either Trump or Hillary Clinton for president this year.
Saying he thinks the Republican Party has been "conned," Graham told CNN Friday that he and Trump don't share the same beliefs.

"I don't think he's a reliable Republican conservative," Graham said, just hours before former 2016 rival Jeb Bush also declared he would not vote for Trump. "I don't believe that Donald Trump has the temperament and judgment to be commander in chief. I think Donald Trump is going to places where very few people have gone and I'm not going with him."
Graham's comments sparked a scathing response from Trump, who called him a "poor representative and an embarrassment to the great people of South Carolina."

Graham said Trump lost his confidence when the billionaire businessman criticized Arizona Sen. John McCain for being a captured during the Vietnam War and accused former President George W. Bush of lying to Americans about the Iraq War. Graham also cited Trump's compliments of Russian President Vladimir Putin, spending thousands of dollars to find out if President Barack Obama was born in Kenya and linking Sen. Ted Cruz's dad to President John F. Kennedy's assassination as some of the front-runner's other wild ideas.

"I'm glad we're having the convention in Cleveland, not Area 51," Graham said, citing the Nevada military base popular among UFO enthusiasts.
As for the party's July convention, South Carolina's senior senator also says he will join a growing list of veteran Republicans, including both Presidents Bush, Mitt Romney, John McCain and others, now declining to attend.


CNN's Tami Luhby and Travis Sattiewhite contributed to this story.
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Mon 1 Aug, 2016 07:01 am
Mccain Slams Trump on Khan statement

Source: Politico

“I cannot emphasize enough how deeply I disagree with Mr. Trump’s statement. I hope Americans understand that the remarks do not represent the views of our Republican Party, its officers, or candidates.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/mccain-statement-226495#ixzz4G5KQvdGx


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/mccain-statement-226495
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snood
 
  2  
Mon 1 Aug, 2016 07:05 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Okay, what do we make of it, then? Your article saying Graham would not vote for either is dated May 6th. Mine, saying Graham spent a weekend urging big money donors to support Trump, is dated May 23.
revelette2
 
  4  
Mon 1 Aug, 2016 07:40 am
@izzythepush,
In the US, things are a lot better than they were when Bush was in office. People just don't give the Obama administration enough credit for pulling the US out of the brink of disaster.

There are a lot of loud mouths which would give the impression the election might go the way of Brexit and the polls right now are pretty tight. However you have to got to consider every single minority group can't stand Trump for legitimate reasons. It is very hard to win elections without minorities groups, just ask Bernie Sanders. Furthermore, there are more republicans coming out against him than ever in the past elections. Baring some horrible disaster and something I am missing, I don't see how Trump can win against Hillary despite her low favorability and trust ratings. (Both of which improved after the DNC)
 

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