InfraBlue
 
  3  
Tue 7 Jun, 2016 04:45 pm
@woiyo,
woiyo wrote:

Quote:
Quote:
In 2001, Sonia Sotomayor, an appeals court judge, gave a speech declaring that the ethnicity and sex of a judge “may and will make a difference in our judging.”

In her speech, Judge Sotomayor questioned the famous notion — often invoked by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and her retired Supreme Court colleague, Sandra Day O’Connor — that a wise old man and a wise old woman would reach the same conclusion when deciding cases.

“I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,” said Judge Sotomayor, who is now considered to be near the top of President Obama’s list of potential Supreme Court nominees.


Hmmm. So it IS possible for ethnicity to effective judgement, at least according to THIS US Supreme Court Justice.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/15judge.html

That's one thing, another thing is accusing a judge of being biased because of his ethnicity.
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edgarblythe
 
  2  
Tue 7 Jun, 2016 05:33 pm
@blatham,
My disappointment with the election leaves me no longer giving a ****.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 7 Jun, 2016 05:51 pm
@woiyo,
Quote:
So it IS possible for ethnicity to effective judgement, at least according to THIS US Supreme Court Justice.


That's why courts that rule on procedure and Constitutional law have three or more judges? Maybe that the best argument that the SCOTUS needs to be as diverse as possible. Maybe the life long turns is a mechanism to ensure that there's no political pressure, no courts that ever go too far one way or another. All political cants get to put up a Justice one in a while.

Does anyone really believe that Judges can't put aside any personal bias to make decisions based on the law and the Constitution. That we need a white justice and a black justice. Sort of 'separate but legal' deal, eh? Jim Crow ...
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 7 Jun, 2016 05:58 pm
@blatham,
Its a Mainstream US paper. Its no 'tabloid'.

All I'm saying is that when a RW article gets discussed in one of the top 20 newspapers in the US then there is an exception to rule about crap sources. It isn't as if any of us are going to be swayed by it. Actually, the RW sourced story is the subject of the news: the source the news is a highly rated US newspaper, the Miami Herald.

Anybody who gets his news from only one source is risking a serious under-education.
InfraBlue
 
  2  
Tue 7 Jun, 2016 06:14 pm
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:

revelette2 wrote:
Your right saying your going to build a wall is not racist in itself. However, how he described Mexicans/Hispanics when he was talking of building the wall was very racist as you know very well.

Quote:
When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”


source

Now go ahead start your denials and whitewashing. People will come to their own conclusions and they have. Probably why there are a lot of piñatas with Trump's face on it.

Not true at all. He was talking only about illegal immigrants. He said that some are criminals and some are good people. How is this racist?

Assuming that he was talking "only" about illegal immigrants, which would make him a ridiculously inarticulate idiot, he didn't say that some are criminals and some are good people. He said that, "when Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

He assumes some are good people.

You're assuming that he meant some are criminals and some are good people.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 7 Jun, 2016 06:19 pm
@InfraBlue,
Makes you wonder where some of these people learned English.
Worth repeating, so there's no misunderstanding of what Trump said:
Quote:
They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
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InfraBlue
 
  2  
Tue 7 Jun, 2016 06:45 pm
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:

The idea that referring to someone as "my" implies ownership is merely stupid. So, if I call someone, "my friend," someone thinks I'm claiming to own him?

So by your apologetic, what did he mean by "my African-American"?

Brandon9000 wrote:
Also, for some reason, Trump's enemies never correctly state his position about the Mexican judge. He said that this particular judge seems to have it in for him and he suspects it may be because the judge, being of Mexican ancestry, objects to his (Trump's) position on illegal immigration.

To think that a person, because of his ancestry, would think one way or another about Trump's position on illegal immigration is racial stereotyping. There are people of Mexican ancestry that agree with Trump's position.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 7 Jun, 2016 06:59 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
Sort of 'separate but legal'


Sort of 'separate but equal'. Sigh. Getting old.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 7 Jun, 2016 07:02 pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkYvKYsVAAAYSYQ.jpg
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Tue 7 Jun, 2016 07:03 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Don't feel bad, bobsal. You're getting old. I've already arrived.
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Tue 7 Jun, 2016 07:04 pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkUHB2RWUAQDsxv.jpg

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/07/us/politics/democrats-trump-presidential-race.html?referer=
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Tue 7 Jun, 2016 07:10 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Love it: "the love of country will trump hatred of Hillary."
farmerman
 
  3  
Tue 7 Jun, 2016 07:16 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
We will see whether the Senate GOP decides to hold hearings on the USSC nomination. They may just feel that Obama's choice may be their best deal especially since Obama can appoint his nominee on a "REcess Appointment"
roger
 
  2  
Tue 7 Jun, 2016 07:37 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:


So by your apologetic, what did he mean by "my African-American"?


Since he didn't say "one of" he may have meant there was only one.
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Builder
 
  3  
Tue 7 Jun, 2016 07:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Love it: "the love of country will trump hatred of Hillary."


Now that's a sound byte that you can get your teeth into.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 7 Jun, 2016 08:05 pm
The Trump Campaign Is In Full Nuclear Meltdown Mode

Sources describe the campaign as an incompetent, backstabbing skeleton crew without any coherent message. And Donald Trump is making it worse.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/donald-trump-campaign

For all the noise that Donald Trump makes, and all the amplification that noise gets from the media, it’s hard to see the campaign infrastructure that presumably exists behind it. Perhaps that’s because, as Trump aides and other sources close to the campaign revealed to NBC News, there isn’t any infrastructure. Instead, the Trump campaign is reportedly composed of a skeleton crew of a few backstabbing staffers unable to coordinate a coherent message about the presumptive Republican nominee’s vision for America.

The article, simply titled “Donald Trump does not have a campaign,” details the disarray within the campaign, which is described as “a bare-bones effort debilitated by infighting, a lack of staff to carry out basic functions, minimal coordination with allies and a message that’s prisoner to Trump’s momentary whims.” While the feuding between professional political operative Paul Manafort and neophyte campaign manager Corey Lewandowski is well-known, even more dysfunction exists below them. Hope Hicks, the campaign’s 27-year-old press secretary, reportedly works alone and without any support; a daunting task for a staffer responsible for managing Trump’s juggernaut media presence. A rapid-response team, crucial in traditional campaigns to rebut their opponents’ attacks before they damage the candidate further, does not exist. The Trump campaign struggles to publicize positive news, too: while Manafort corralled a host of local endorsements ahead of the candidate’s California tour last week, no press release ever went out, a source told NBC, because Lewandowski and Hicks vetoed every draft. And when Hillary Clinton delivered a devastating foreign-policy speech criticizing Trump’s temperament and credentials, Republican allies waited in vain to receive instructions on how to coordinate a counterattack. Trump tweeted about Clinton’s use of a teleprompter, but neither Trump nor the R.N.C. ever released an official rebuttal after the speech.

A lack of coordination isn’t the only reason Trump surrogates are in the dark. Trump himself is so mercurial, and his positions so inconsistent (and often at odds with the Republican Party’s own platform), that allies rarely know how to act or what to say. When Trump attacked Gonzalo Curiel, the judge presiding over a Trump University lawsuit, for his Mexican heritage, he refused to listen to the majority of “horrified” supporters and surrogates who urged him to apologize his comments. High-profile supporters like Newt Gingrich, who is widely considered to be a top pick for Trump’s V.P., and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell either repudiated his remarks or remained silent.

But Trump hasn’t backed down. On a conference call Monday, reported by Bloomberg, Trump demanded that his supporters and surrogates ramp up their attacks on Curiel. When former Arizona governor Jan Brewer noted that Trump’s own staffers had previously sent a memo asking his allies to stop referring to the lawsuit, the New Yorker exploded. “ Take that order and throw it the hell out,” he said, according to two people who were on the call. “Are there any other stupid letters that were sent to you folks?” he asked. “That's one of the reasons I want to have this call, because you guys are getting sometimes stupid information from people that aren't so smart.”
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blatham
 
  1  
Tue 7 Jun, 2016 08:24 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
My disappointment with the election leaves me no longer giving a ****.

Disenchantment with reality is within the range of sentiments I can understand.
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blatham
 
  1  
Tue 7 Jun, 2016 08:27 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
Anybody who gets his news from only one source is risking a serious under-education.

Uh... yes.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 7 Jun, 2016 08:30 pm
@blatham,
Roger .... ending transmission.
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blatham
 
  1  
Tue 7 Jun, 2016 08:31 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
We will see whether the Senate GOP decides to hold hearings on the USSC nomination. They may just feel that Obama's choice may be their best deal

That would be my wager.
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