ehBeth
 
  1  
Mon 9 May, 2016 11:23 am
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-anarchists-secretly-vote-donald-trump-article-1.2630345

Quote:
We can no longer conveniently blame the South for the rise of bigotry in America — Donald Trump won New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maryland, Pennsylvania, and Vermont. He was crushing it in California before he became the presumptive nominee. He got this far because people voted him into power.

Now Paul Ryan and every living American President may refuse to support him, but Donald Trump is just one winning election away from having the nuclear codes.

As expected, Democrats are now falling for the same trap his 16 Republican opponents fell for. They are grossly underestimating just how much Trump resonates throughout the country — in part because his appeal just doesn't make sense to them. Trump makes sense to millions, though.

He might also make sense to anarchists — who see a Trump presidency as a shortcut to mass chaos, protest, dissidence, and anger in our nation.

Increasingly, I am hearing voices from many different anarchist and revolutionary communities thinking out loud about exactly what might happen if Trump somehow won the election in November.


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Quote:
Now I would never vote for Donald Trump under any circumstance, but for people who may want to see this country devolve into a horrific state of mass chaos, I think they're right — voting for Donald Trump would send our nation down a path unlike anything we've experienced here before. I think this is why white supremacists, armed militias, and hate groups are so enthusiastic about a Trump presidency — they see what anarchists see — the very real possibility of an ethnic, religious war in which even regular folk decide to choose a side.
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woiyo
 
  0  
Mon 9 May, 2016 01:23 pm
@DrewDad,
Hmmm, sounds like every other politician from either side. Only difference is he is not funded by special interest groups. So it is only the Donald pulling on his own strings.

This may be the better choice of the 2. How many people are pulling on Hillarys strings? Who is she really working for ? You or her special interest groups?
engineer
 
  5  
Mon 9 May, 2016 01:54 pm
@woiyo,
If Trump were half way competent, that might make sense, but so far, he's demonstrated no knowledge of how the economy works, how the military works or how international trade work. Give me the policy wonk Clinton who understands all of this in great detail.
Lilkanyon
 
  1  
Mon 9 May, 2016 06:04 pm
@woiyo,
woiyo wrote:

Hmmm, sounds like every other politician from either side. Only difference is he is not funded by special interest groups. So it is only the Donald pulling on his own strings.

This may be the better choice of the 2. How many people are pulling on Hillarys strings? Who is she really working for ? You or her special interest groups?


Just wait, now that he has to run generally, he will be reaching out for money too, then the Trump supporters that used this issue as their reason for voting for him will be eating their socks.
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Builder
 
  1  
Tue 10 May, 2016 04:11 am
@engineer,
Quote:
Give me the policy wonk Clinton who understands all of this in great detail.


A career criminal? For president? The rest of the western world is wondering how it comes down to these two "choices". Is this really the pick of the bunch?

engineer
 
  3  
Tue 10 May, 2016 04:59 am
@Builder,
The rest of the world knows and respects Clinton as a successful Secretary of State. Clinton has met and discussed issues with more heads of state than all the other presidential candidates combined.
woiyo
 
  1  
Tue 10 May, 2016 06:07 am
@engineer,
He made MILLIONS in R/E so I suspect he understands how the economy and the functional system works. HE likely understands what he is NOT expert in and I suspect he will hire competent folks who do.

Clinton will surround herself with people other tell her to appoint which means we would have another 4 years of the same old cast of characters who got us in the mess we have been in for 30 years.

Trumo is by far not the best choice, but he will shack things up, which might not be a bad thing.
engineer
 
  3  
Tue 10 May, 2016 07:12 am
@woiyo,
woiyo wrote:

He made MILLIONS in R/E so I suspect he understands how the economy and the functional system works.

Except that if he were minimally competent, we would have made a lot, lot more. He significantly underperformed the stock market and he was in Manhattan real estate where everyone else blew the stock market away. Of course it helps to start with your daddy's fortune.
woiyo wrote:
HE likely understands what he is NOT expert in and I suspect he will hire competent folks who do.

Then why is he in the press talking about the US defaulting on its debt, then when people get upset about that, talking about devaluing the currency via "printing money"? It doesn't look like he is bothering with "competent folks", nor does he have a history of listening when smart people give him advice.
woiyo wrote:

Clinton will surround herself with people other tell her to appoint which means we would have another 4 years of the same old cast of characters who got us in the mess we have been in for 30 years.

I doubt she will surround herself with the Republicans who drove the Great Recession, but yes, she will likely pull from the team that has given us seven years of growth in the US economy and employment.
woiyo wrote:
Trumo is by far not the best choice, but he will shack things up, which might not be a bad thing.

You need to actually look at what this guy is saying (and what he is not) instead of projecting what you want him to be. If he delivers anything he has proposed (trade wars, currency manipulation, discrimination based on religion, curtailment of the press, exit from NATO), the US will be in a world of hurt. If he is lying through his teeth, why would you vote for him?
Cinderellie74
 
  3  
Tue 10 May, 2016 10:15 am
I can't get over all the stuff The Donald has done in the past. I would not want him as President. Not that Hillary is any better. I still think Mickey Mouse is our best bet. :-) Ok Not really but sadly there aren't any good choices.
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woiyo
 
  -2  
Tue 10 May, 2016 12:41 pm
@engineer,
Quote:
I doubt she will surround herself with the Republicans who drove the Great Recession, but yes, she will likely pull from the team that has given us seven years of growth in the US economy and employment.


You mean the same folk who led us down the first Tech bubble and started the foundation for the R/E bubble. You mean those guys???

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woiyo
 
  -2  
Tue 10 May, 2016 12:45 pm
@engineer,
Quote:
Then why is he in the press talking about the US defaulting on its debt, then when people get upset about that, talking about devaluing the currency via "printing money"? It doesn't look like he is bothering with "competent folks", nor does he have a history of listening when smart people give him advice.


He never said anything about defaulting, but I suspect that is what you heard.

Quote:
If he is lying through his teeth, why would you vote for him?


He might be lying and is likely a tout. Yet I KNOW Hillary is a liar, a criminal, and controlled by special interest on both sides of the aisle who want her in place to protect their power and control.
parados
 
  3  
Tue 10 May, 2016 01:33 pm
@woiyo,
Quote:
He never said anything about defaulting, but I suspect that is what you heard.

Not paying back your loans in full is defaulting. You can try to weasel the words all you want but it is a default.
engineer
 
  4  
Tue 10 May, 2016 02:26 pm
@woiyo,
woiyo wrote:

He never said anything about defaulting, but I suspect that is what you heard.

Sorry, every financial expert said that asking creditors to take a partial payback or negotiate terms is a default. I know that if Trump asks me to take a partial payment on my savings bonds, I will consider it a default.
Quote:
He might be lying and is likely a tout. Yet I KNOW Hillary is a liar, a criminal, and controlled by special interest on both sides of the aisle who want her in place to protect their power and control.

And yet fact checking sites find that Clinton is the most truthful candidate on the campaign trail and Trump is the least factual in the history of the site as well as winning the 2015 Lie of the Year award with 62% of his statements being "False" or "Pants on Fire". If we don't separate the truth from what we think we KNOW, we are going to shake things up by running into a tree. Don't let this con man trick you. He's just telling you what you want to hear.
roger
 
  3  
Tue 10 May, 2016 03:13 pm
@woiyo,
woiyo wrote:

HE likely understands what he is NOT expert in and I suspect he will hire competent folks who do.


That's part of the problem. I'm not at all sure he does understand that, and suspect he doesn't need to understand what he does not.
glitterbag
 
  1  
Tue 10 May, 2016 05:49 pm
@roger,
Trump believes he was born to do this, he also believes everybody worships him. Thats why he mocks disabled people, he feels he must announce Heidi Klum is no longer a 10 because he is oblivious to his own appearance and his ridiculous hair. He has made America hate again, and we all lose including those folks who for reasons I will never understand, think Trump actually gives a crap about any of us.
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glitterbag
 
  1  
Tue 10 May, 2016 06:42 pm
Thanks, we are doomed.
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Builder
 
  0  
Wed 11 May, 2016 01:34 am
@engineer,
Quote:
The rest of the world knows and respects Clinton as a successful Secretary of State.


Can you be more specific please? The Benghazi issue is just the latest in a long line of cockups and coverups going right back to her days as First Lady, stealing lots of "stuff" from the Whitehouse, and being made to give it back.

She might not be as bad as Madeleine Albright in some respects, but she's close.
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Builder
 
  0  
Wed 11 May, 2016 02:36 am
@parados,
Quote:
Not paying back your loans in full is defaulting.


So, what do you call a treasury that buys their own bonds, and hands 32 billion a month to a bunch of known criminal gamblers, calling it quantitive easing?
parados
 
  4  
Wed 11 May, 2016 04:36 am
@Builder,
Quantitative easing. They certainly aren't giving the bond holders a lower amount than the value of the bonds which is what Trump proposed.
woiyo
 
  -1  
Wed 11 May, 2016 06:10 am
@engineer,
Quote:
Sorry, every financial expert said that asking creditors to take a partial payback or negotiate terms is a default. I know that if Trump asks me to take a partial payment on my savings bonds, I will consider it a default.


Buying back bonds at a discount is an every day occurrence in the investment world. So the so called financial experts you may have said that are not experts, but Clinton supporters.
 

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