Lilkanyon
 
  -1  
Fri 6 May, 2016 10:43 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Don't you also think that the reason blacks have those difficulties are directly related to the handicaps they experience in the white world?
As an Asian American, I believe that to be some of the problem.


Absolutley! The civil rights laws including the fair housing acts ect were designed to help black people be treated fairly. I know its been a vicious hard discrimminatory road for them. I know the stakes have been stacked way higher for them then white america. I do not deny white privelege, even if I was unaware it existed. Same time, even their own people have been critical of how they have abused and taken advantage of those hard earned rights and have not done their people right. Drugs, gangs, babies wit
h no daddies, high school drop out rates...prison (easy to blame the white court system for that). As for the last issue, totally out of balance. 5 years in prison for a "bump" of rock is ridiculous. I am very upset about the ridiculous incarceration rates for silly crimes, like drug possession. I advocate for decriminalizing simple possession and exponging non violent records in a period of clean time. I believe in a second chance.

I do get a bit angry when black people say that white people cross the street when black people walk their way. I never treated black people that way. I never feared them. So...maybe a bit of reverse discrimination also can rub me a bit raw as well.
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BillRM
 
  -1  
Fri 6 May, 2016 11:09 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
As an Asian American, I believe that to be some of the problem.


Strange as Asian Americans had a record of doing fine and way better then blacks even those they was treated badly for generations.

When banks was shut to them they created lending clubs and when they was not allow to own property they enter into 99 years leases and so on.
Lilkanyon
 
  0  
Fri 6 May, 2016 11:21 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
As an Asian American, I believe that to be some of the problem.


Strange as Asian Americans had a record of doing fine and way better then blacks even those they was treated badly for generations.

When banks was shut to them they created lending clubs and when they was not allow to own property they enter into 99 years leases and so on.


Well idk anything about that, but asian americans went through less then 5 years of discrimination compared to centuries for women and hundreds for african americans. I suppose we all should put that into perspective. The Irish were hated for a generation, the Italians, the Jews. When do we move on and stop blaming our gender, our race, our color....and just prove we are better then what we think people think of us?
BillRM
 
  0  
Fri 6 May, 2016 11:28 pm
@Lilkanyon,
Quote:
asian americans went through less then 5 years of discrimination


Where the hell did you get the five years number!!!!!!!

They could not own lands and banks was shut to them for generations before the camps of WW2.

They was put to work on building the railroads in near slavery conditions during the civil war period for example and not legally allowed to bring their family into the US.
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glitterbag
 
  4  
Sat 7 May, 2016 12:24 am
@Lilkanyon,
Lilkanyon wrote:

BillRM wrote:

Quote:
As an Asian American, I believe that to be some of the problem.


Strange as Asian Americans had a record of doing fine and way better then blacks even those they was treated badly for generations.

When banks was shut to them they created lending clubs and when they was not allow to own property they enter into 99 years leases and so on.


Well idk anything about that, but asian americans went through less then 5 years of discrimination compared to centuries for women and hundreds for african americans. I suppose we all should put that into perspective. The Irish were hated for a generation, the Italians, the Jews. When do we move on and Hstop blaming our gender, our race, our color....and just prove we are better then what we think people think of us?



I don't know anything about Bill personally except he's a crybaby, BUT your remark about Asians and 5 years of discrimination made my head explode. The Chinese who came to build our RailRoads were treated poorly (as in flaming racist mistreatment and exploitation). Many Japanese came here to farm,build businesses and many had children, their children had children and they were productive members of American life. The American president Roosevelt moved all people of Japanese heritage from their homes,schools and businesses and bused them to detention camps. Their homes, banks,businesses, farms and anything of value was confiscated and never returned to those Americans held in the camps. That happened during WWII, during the Korean War, soldiers brought home brides and the same thing happened when our soldiers returned from Vietnam Nam. Don't forget the well educated who fled from Cambodia, Thailand, all the other smaller groups like the Mong's (sp).

The torment still hasn't stopped, and it's not only Asian against Asia, the torment is directed at dr.s living in nice neighborhoods. When my son was about 5, he was enrolled in a small private school, low enrollment but very rich in students. I volunteered to chaperon my son's class on a field trip. Well son was assigned to a different mom, and I had these two irks who were absolutely cute beyond belief. (I've only raised boys, including 2 nephews and my fun cousins were boys....so it's a field trip for me as well)

Anyhow , a very small 5 year old girl sat next to me, and she was talkative, normal kid stuff, then she told me about the men who sprayed painted her drive way. Her mom and dad were both surgeons, but they were also from Thailand, and it seemed to outrage the idiots or the idiot sons of the idiots that two surgeons had the audacity to be in their neighbor hood. This had to be in 79 or 80, and this sweet little girl told me that the words were "slopes" "slants" and I don't remember the rest. This tiny girls's legs didn't hit the floor, and I had to think fast, she told me and she deserved reassurance that she and her family were worthwhile. I tried my best, I hoped she at least believed me that not every white person is stupid. I've lost track but she was a really smart, well behaved kid. I hope she did really well.






hildren who were free born Americans as were their children
BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 7 May, 2016 04:30 am
@glitterbag,
I love giving out the same damn information as you did and getting one vote down while you got two votes up.

Lord there are a lot of assholes on this system.

I any case the railroads work after the civil war was deadly.

Quote:


http://ocp.hul.harvard.edu/immigration/railroads.html

This massive work could never have been completed without Chinese and Irish laborers, who comprised the bulk of the workforce. Chinese laborers were brought in by the Central Pacific Railroad in large numbers. Indeed, by the height of the construction effort in 1868, over 12,000 Chinese immigrants were employed, comprising about 80 percent of the Central Pacific's workforce.


The work ethic of the Chinese impressed James Strobridge, the foreman of construction, as did their willingness to do the dangerous work of blasting areas for track in the treacherous Sierra Nevada, an effort that cost some Chinese laborers their lives. Chinese workers even helped lay a record ten miles of track in just twelve hours, shortly before the railroad was completed. The Chinese dedication to the Central Pacific was even more impressive in light of the racial discrimination they experienced. California law prevented them from obtaining full citizenship, but still mandated that they pay taxes to the state of California. In addition, the Chinese were paid only $27 a month (later rising to $30 a month), significantly less than the $35 a month that Irish laborers on the Central Pacific earned for doing the same work.


Quote:


http://www.history.co.uk/study-topics/history-of-america/transcontinental-railroad

Central Pacific reports 137 deaths during four years of construction. But in 1870, a journalist sees a train loaded with the bones of an estimated 1,200 Chinese bodies. Railway completion means 25,000 Chinese and Irish are now unemployed. Hatred of the Chinese results in the 1882 Chinese Exclusion Act ending their immigration. (It would be 1898 before Wong Kim Ark challenged this institutional racism, effectively creating the first Asian-Americans).

"If America was now a continental nation...it was the Chinese who had made it so...And instead of thanks what they got was the smell of their Chinatowns burning to the ground" Simon Schama

In California, the Chinese form 10% of the population. Violence is endemic.

“Stoned to death in the streets of San Francisco by a mob of half-grown boys and Christian school children.” 1869 obituary for a Chinese man, Wan Lee
BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 7 May, 2016 04:38 am
@glitterbag,
Quote:


http://archive.vancouver.wsu.edu/crbeha/ja/ja.htm


Despite the Issei’s hard work in the early twentieth century, envy and racial discrimination led to increasing anti-Japanese attitudes on the West Coast, much as the sentiment had developed against perceived Chinese competition. Residents of Mountain Home, Nampa, and Caldwell, Idaho drove out Japanese workers, and white mobs near Coeur d’Alene and in Portland threatened Japanese railroad workers. Tensions led to the so-called “Gentleman’s Agreement” between the U.S. and Japan that effectively limited after 1908 the numbers of laborers that could emigrate from Japan. Instead, the two governments allowed wives and brides to join earlier male immigrants in the United States, changing the character of the immigrant community.



Many Issei women were disappointed with their new homes, far from families and friends, which often required enduring discrimination and hard work to survive. Teiko Tomita’s family arranged a marriage with Masakazu Tomita, a farmer near Wapato. In 1921 she arrived with her new husband in Washington and found that their primitive cabin had neither electricity nor water, to which she had been accustomed in Japan. Henry Fujii had saved enough money to return to Japan to marry and brought his new wife to Idaho. Fumiko Mayeda Fujii encountered a crude cabin on the Emmett, Idaho farm that her new husband leased, which she had to share with his partner and family. She had to learn a range of new skills, including baking bread, sewing, and speaking English. Linda Tamura found in oral history interviews with Hood River Issei that immigrant women, who hoped for adventure and prosperity, were often disappointed with American food, their dirty and uncomfortable surroundings, and their much older husbands. They were overwhelmed with loneliness as well as strenuous physical labor.
Although they may have initially come to the United States to save money and return to Japan, the birth of their children persuaded many Issei to remain in their adopted country and strengthen their communities. By the 1920s, the numbers of Japanese American families had grown significantly, and a high percentage had moved from migratory work to own businesses or farms.

Resisting Discrimination

Post-World War I nativist activists, including the Hood River Anti-Alien Association, pressured states to pass laws prohibiting Japanese immigrants from leasing or owning land. At the federal level, the National Origins Act of 1924 limited European immigration and essentially excluded any further Japanese immigration.

The Columbia River Basin Issei fought discriminatory actions and legislation through public appeals and the courts, insisting on their status as hard-working, loyal Americans. Although Japanese immigrants leased less than 8 percent of Yakima Indian Reservation acreage, many whites in Yakima claimed that Issei were “crowding out” other farmers. Through the 1920s, Japanese Americans in the Yakima Valley defended their right to reside there as they disputed their characterization as “menace” in the Yakima Herald, reminding the community of their important economic role in clearing farmland. They also purchased World War I bonds and embraced local Americanization and English-language efforts. Hood River Japanese refuted charges hurled at them by the Anti-Alien Association and American Legion and demonstrated their commitment to the valley by improving the appearance of their homes and promising to limit further immigration to the area. The Japanese Farmers’ Association contributed over a thousand dollars to the Oregon Japanese Association’s efforts to halt the anti-Japanese legislation. In 1925, after a mob of seventy-five in Toledo, Oregon forcibly evicted thirty-five Japanese working at Pacific Spruce Corporation, five of the workers sued some of their assailants. A 1926 Oregon jury awarded damages to the Japanese.

The Issei also sought to retain their rightful place in communities by circumventing discriminatory state laws that banned their owning or leasing land. Some immigrant residents sub-leased land from American citizens and others registered lands in the names of their Nisei children, who were American citizens because of birth. Nonetheless, the land laws and immigration restrictions effectively halted the growth of Japanese American farming in the Northwest. Other discriminatory legislation prompted a 30 percent decline in Oregon’s Japanese population by 1928.


Idaho’s Issei successfully fought anti-Japanese legislation for a number of years through the lobbying efforts of the 150-member Japanese Association of Western Idaho, the sugar industry, and churches. Japanese Americans considered their efforts somewhat successful; while restrictive legislation finally passed in 1923 prohibiting land ownership, it allowed renewable leases, making Idaho the only state in the West where Issei could lease land.

Japanese American Associations and Culture
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Sat 7 May, 2016 06:27 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

I love giving out the same damn information as you did and getting one vote down while you got two votes up.


That's probably because Glitterbag is a beautiful human being and you're well, it's hard to say without resorting to profanities, let's just leave it at BillRM.

Believe me, that's bad enough.
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BillRM
 
  -1  
Sat 7 May, 2016 07:05 am
@BillRM,
The voting bots are racists in so must as they do not like the fact that anyone from any other race or culture had a hard time but for blacks in the US it would seems.

Love watching the idiots and their bots doing some crazy and senseless votings and trying to picture the so call thinking behind it.


Quote:
I love giving out the same damn information as you did and getting one vote down while you got two votes up.

Lord there are a lot of assholes on this system.

I any case the railroads work after the civil war was deadly.

Quote:


http://ocp.hul.harvard.edu/immigration/railroads.html

This massive work could never have been completed without Chinese and Irish laborers, who comprised the bulk of the workforce. Chinese laborers were brought in by the Central Pacific Railroad in large numbers. Indeed, by the height of the construction effort in 1868, over 12,000 Chinese immigrants were employed, comprising about 80 percent of the Central Pacific's workforce.


The work ethic of the Chinese impressed James Strobridge, the foreman of construction, as did their willingness to do the dangerous work of blasting areas for track in the treacherous Sierra Nevada, an effort that cost some Chinese laborers their lives. Chinese workers even helped lay a record ten miles of track in just twelve hours, shortly before the railroad was completed. The Chinese dedication to the Central Pacific was even more impressive in light of the racial discrimination they experienced. California law prevented them from obtaining full citizenship, but still mandated that they pay taxes to the state of California. In addition, the Chinese were paid only $27 a month (later rising to $30 a month), significantly less than the $35 a month that Irish laborers on the Central Pacific earned for doing the same work.


Quote:


http://www.history.co.uk/study-topics/history-of-america/transcontinental-railroad

Central Pacific reports 137 deaths during four years of construction. But in 1870, a journalist sees a train loaded with the bones of an estimated 1,200 Chinese bodies. Railway completion means 25,000 Chinese and Irish are now unemployed. Hatred of the Chinese results in the 1882 Chinese Exclusion Act ending their immigration. (It would be 1898 before Wong Kim Ark challenged this institutional racism, effectively creating the first Asian-Americans).

"If America was now a continental nation...it was the Chinese who had made it so...And instead of thanks what they got was the smell of their Chinatowns burning to the ground" Simon Schama

In California, the Chinese form 10% of the population. Violence is endemic.

“Stoned to death in the streets of San Francisco by a mob of half-grown boys and Christian school children.” 1869 obituary for a Chinese man, Wan Lee
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parados
 
  5  
Sat 7 May, 2016 07:07 am
@BillRM,
You really don't have a clue what it is like to be poor in America, do you?
BillRM
 
  -2  
Sat 7 May, 2016 07:13 am
@parados,
Poor in American?????

Known any numbers of Cubans who landed on these shores with only the cloths on their backs and within a few years was enjoying a middle class life.

In a few cases the Cubans had dark skin even. So not only was they blacks but they had little command of English and did not share the majority background culture .

To sum up you have to work damn hard to remain poor in this country.
BillRM
 
  -2  
Sat 7 May, 2016 07:31 am
@parados,
In fact come to think of it the BLM people who went into a college library not to study but to disrupt the studying of others seems to have a good idea of how to remain poor in the US.

My bet that there was not one hard science or engineering students among them and in fact my bet would be that you would not find too many such students in any college BLM club/movement.
snood
 
  5  
Sat 7 May, 2016 09:35 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

In fact come to think of it the BLM people who went into a college library not to study but to disrupt the studying of others seems to have a good idea of how to remain poor in the US.

My bet that there was not one hard science or engineering students among them and in fact my bet would be that you would not find too many such students in any college BLM club/movement.


...and I'm sure your reasoning for that would be that blacks are not as capable of higher cognitive function as good white people like you, huh?
BillRM
 
  -1  
Sat 7 May, 2016 10:32 am
@snood,
Quote:
..and I'm sure your reasoning for that would be that blacks are not as capable of higher cognitive function as good white people like you, huh?


Whites have as many if not more fools then blacks look at the people who voted for Trump so just because such blacks exist does say anything about blacks in general.

Work with black engineers that was every bit as skill as I was and even took part in a successful 6 months project who head was black PHd by the name of a Dr. Jones.

Hell my bet that the BLM fools when they invaded the library interfere with more then one black student studies.

So once more you are wrong ................................
snood
 
  3  
Sat 7 May, 2016 10:37 am
@BillRM,
Pretty speech. Still doesn't explain why you think those protesters wouldn't be engineering students.
glitterbag
 
  4  
Sat 7 May, 2016 11:13 am
@BillRM,
You really are a crybaby aren't you. Maybe you get thumbed down because your posts are full of tortured English and other folks don't understand what you are trying to say. I can barely make out your message and it still leaves me confused.

If it helps at all, I have you on ignore, and the rare times I read your bellyaching I never thumb down. I never remember that option, and I don't worry about the number of thumbs up, why does it bother you? Life is too short to worry about artificial validation.
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edgarblythe
 
  4  
Sat 7 May, 2016 02:03 pm
Robert Reich
43 mins ·
The other day a friend of mine who served at a high level in the Obama defense department told me this: "Trump may lag in the polls but only one event stands between us and a President Trump: That's another San Bernardino, or its equivalent. If Americans again feel vulnerable to terrorism, Trump’s tough guy 'America First' swagger, his disdain for constitutional rights, and his bigotry toward Muslims will elect him."
glitterbag
 
  4  
Sat 7 May, 2016 03:19 pm
@edgarblythe,
It's frightening that some Americans actually think Trump can protect the United States. Nero fiddled while Rome burned.
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Sat 7 May, 2016 08:20 pm
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/05/09/who-is-melania-trump

a little gossipy

a little political

fun read
Brandon9000
 
  -1  
Sat 7 May, 2016 09:08 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
Hang on, who is going to be vetted? People on student visas? Work visas, permanent visas? The men who flew planes into the Pentagon and the World Trade Center Towers were here on student visas I think most of them) the visas expired and they just stayed. People on student visas have also just overstayed and just never go home. But you think, Trump will not hassle tourists? How many people will want to visit the US if they have to go thru a vetting before they can get a visa. I don't think you've thought this thru, and I don't think you've paid attention to his puffing at his rally orgies where all the guys in tee shirts and john deere caps chant USA USA USA

Where do you get the idea that I agree with any of this? I'm just clarifying what his point of view is.
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