The Future President, Donald Trump

Sure I support equal rights and always had done so.

no one needs you to embrace a lifestyle . is having a cowlick a lifestyle? how about having blue eyes? or being an uncle. is being an uncle a lifestyle?

people just need you to not support discrimination against them because of something they didn't choose

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you are asking to not be discriminated against because of something you chose (to be a practicing Christian)

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they are not at all equivalent positions

So being hired to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple is in some strange way embracing their lifestyle!!!!

If you own a gas station and sold them enough gas to get to the church for their wedding would you also be embracing their lifestyle?

Where does you strange logic begin and end on this subject?

@Bill too

Ok. I am a little more rested... Feeling a bit better... and ready now to pick myself apart.

So, what the heck does it even MEAN to embrace someone's lifestyle? I had to honestly ask myself that question here. God, you know, in all truth it's just one of those "Christian ease" statements that somehow over the years got tucked away nicely somewhere in my brain. I think I might have even thought it made sense somehow at some point. Lol

But when I started picking it apart, in light of realizing that honestly baking a cake is simply baking a cake no matter who its's for... and yes saying I'm not doing it because you're gay, white, black, or even wearing a tin hat... Is wrong. Just plain wrong. Well, how could that even make sense. If you embrace someone, you embrace them entirely, because that is what an embrace is.

You can't say you embrace someone while holding them at arms length, now can ya? So let me state this another way. I disagree with the lifestyle period. However, I also disagree the lifestyle of thieves, serial killers, and most Christians I have met as well. That is in no way meant to weigh anything against anything, or say one thing is worse than another. It's simply to say, I don't want to live that way... So I won't.

However, Pat yourselves on the back... Because if I could I would somehow reach through cyberspace and do it... No... I would actually embrace each one of you (keep in mind I am NOT a huggy person at all lol) and tell you thank you. Because I meant it when I said I don't want to be like that, and you have helped me see and remove a pretty big plank in my own eye.

So here's the best I got....

Thank you! ((((((Hugs)))))

What has their lifestyle got anything to do with you? Who cares whether you approve or not? How many people approve of the lifestyles of Evangelical gun nuts? Not me. The gay lifestyle doesn't perpetuate mass shootings.

Being gay isn't something people choose. It's something they are. You may as well disapprove of someone's lifestyle just for being ginger. What is a gay lifestyle anyway? Do you honestly think all gays live the same way? Some are in committed long term relationships, some are on their own, and not sexually active, and others are out having sex with lots of people, just like heterosexuals.

Oh for heaven's sake Izzy. Let it go. It is what it is. I've picked this whole thing apart to my satisfaction for now, so it's all good with me. I am here to embrace people... Not their lifestyle. I am sure there are a lot of ways people choose to live in this world that none of us would choose for ourselves. I'm not going to debate with you or anyone whether it's a choice or not. No one is forcing them to have sex with anyone, so yes it IS a choice. Whether it's male, female, or a goat... I don't know and I don't care, because who you have sex with isn't what defines you.

Also, what people do in the privacy of their bedroom is nobody's business. Why must people concern themselves with other's private lives? Why?

Hum. That is a good question CI. Why? It really seems to me that in some ways we have all, (meaning society in general) have brought a lot of what used to be behind closed doors out in the open. I am of course referring to things like Facebook where you get an hour by hour update of everyone's lives. I really don't spend much time there anymore.

Got tired of all the drama. However, I have come across many good articles and such there too. And I do like keeping tabs on where the religious leaders of our times are leading the masses. Facebook seems the easiest way to do that. I tried Twitter... Once... Lol. Omg that was overwhelming. Waaaay too much going on all at once for my brain to even dive in.

I'm still sorting through some of what has transpired here over the last day. I know there are some things that have been redefined for and in me. But those things are linked to other things which are directly impacted as well. So... Now it's time for a little more John Denver and some soul searching... Lol

Why do they have to think about it all the time? They don't like the idea of it so they have to condemn, with just the right amount of moral indignation. Another, more universally accepted, disturbing sexual image is that of one's parents having sex, nobody likes the idea of that either. It had to happen though or none of us would be here, and it's arguably a lot worse than any amount of gay porn.

So don't think about gay people having sex like you don't think about your parents having sex, unless you already do that, in which case yuck!

Eeeeeewwwwww Izzy! Lol!

I completely missed your post somehow! But holy cow that was funny!

homosexuals are homosexuals whether or not they're having sex with other people.

what defines them is who they desire, who they are attracted to, not who they ****.

my friend's husband was homosexual before he married her, while they were married, after they were divorced.

There is no Homosexual lifestyle. That phrase was made up by some American and is totally meaningless other than as a tool of hatred.

You got to be kidding me as a hetrosexual male I had no choice in this world that it is females and not other males who I care to form sexual relationships with and in the same manner it is not likely that gays could decided to desire partners other then same sex partners.

So no they do not have a choice of who they desire in their bed but of course not to upset you and people like you they can always refrain from having sex.

So their choice is to go without sex to made you happier or just to go on with their lives.

Oh, I don't know... I'm thinking someone would be on pretty solid ground if he claimed that a person having regular homosexual sex was living a homosexual lifestyle.
But that's me.

Agreed.

@Bill

Yes Bill it is a choice. You missed my point again. So maybe rephrasing it will help. They, like us all, choose to have sex. The fact that the partners they choose are of the same sex, is in fact a choice. There is no way around that one. You seem to think I am implying something I am not. My point has nothing to do with whether or not they choose to "be gay".

Sorry... Missed a few things here. I do understand what you are saying though. I have my theories about it. However, I feel no need to throw them out to the wolves to be devoured at this point.

No it is not a choice as there is no way I could picked a male lover any more then I could fly without a plane.

The so call choice is part of my DNA and therefore is not a choice in any normal meaning of that word.

Again, my point about choice in this conversation has nothing to do with whether or not they choose to be gay. That is not a point I am going to argue with you right now. I'm just saying they choose partners the same way as everyone else in the world. Based on what attracts them. Hair, eyes, butt, whatever.

The only difference is there is one more Item on their attraction list than mine. And I don't have a problem with that. It is after all their list and not mine. So... It doesn't really concern me. Don't try and tell me that being gay somehow exempts them from making the same choices regarding a partner as you and I.

I do have a question though. HAS science linked DNA differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals? Heh... I guess I could just Google that one myself... Lol That certainly would be an interesting twist to the story... And strangely enough falls right in line with one of my theories, sort of... Lol Anywho, I'm out. I will get some sleep tonight, dagnabit.

It's not a choice. You're saying that heterosexuals can be sexually active and you'll still approve of them but homosexuals have to be celibate. That's sounds like double standards and discrimination to me.

Huh. That's funny. I really don't remember saying that Izzy. If I did, would you mind pointing it out? Especially since my approval has nothing to do with anything. I mean really? Who the heck would even care if I approve or not? Lol I guarantee there is not one gay person in this world who gives one iota it I approve of their lifestyle or not. My personal convictions are really only important in my life. Simply because I have to live with myself, and they don't.