plainoldme
 
  1  
Fri 1 Apr, 2011 09:37 am
Running for president was going pretty well for Donald Trump, as far as attention-getting schemes go. There was more demand for inane "political" content across the entire mediasphere than the last time he played this particular card, and so there were more opportunities for pretend candidates to appear in headlines and on high-rated television shows. But then Donald Trump said something stupid about the president's birth certificate, and the attention seemed to suddenly increase tenfold! And so he has continued saying things about the president's birth certificate -- increasingly inflammatory and ridiculous things -- and so far, there seems to be no point at which anyone will say, "Enough, Donald Trump, you are no longer invited on my cable news or morning show." (There is, obviously, no point at which NBC will say, "Enough, Donald Trump, you are no longer fit to helm a popular television franchise for our network," either.)

And this is (at press time) is the latest thing Donald Trump has said:

"I don't feel heat; I think he's got heat," Trump said of President Barack Obama on the Laura Ingraham show. "Look, he cannot give a birth certificate. You can, I can, I got one yesterday, it took me a day, 24 hours, I got one.

"A lot of the so called birthers, these are great people, these are really great American people,” he added. “These are hard working, unbelievable, salt of the earth people."

Oh, I'm sorry, while I was copying and pasting that Trump was reported to have said another stupid thing, on "The O'Reilly Factor":

"I have a birth certificate," he tells O'Reilly. "People have birth certificates. He doesn't have a birth certificate. He may have one but there is something on that birth certificate -- maybe religion, maybe it says he's a Muslim, I don't know. Maybe he doesn't want that. Or, he may not have one."

Later he tries a new angle on whether Obama was born in the United States: "I grew up with Wall Street geniuses. What they do in terms of fraud, and how they change documents -- and I'll tell you something, if you notice, those dates were three days later. And here's what I ask people -- who puts announcements? Two poor people, a man and a woman with no money, they have a baby. There's announcements in the newspaper? Nelson Rockefeller doesn't put announcements in. I've never seen one."

Donald Trump "grew up with Wall Street geniuses" (by which he seems to actually mean career criminals?) and no one puts birth announcements in newspapers, not even rich people. I mean, what kind of weirdos put birth announcements in newspapers? Bizarre!

Clearly, Trump is not even trying to make sense. But he is providing free publicity for birtherism in general, which ought to help the sales of conspiracy-mongering fraud Jerome Corsi's upcoming book, "Where's the Birth Certificate?" (The book is one page long and the only words in it are "on file at the Hawaii State Department of Health.") (Sorry, that is not actually true, it is just something that would be very funny.)

We all sort of hope that birtherism will or is even already beginning to just go away forever. Despite the fact that birtherism is unkillable, it is undeniable that the movement's primary proponents -- from Orly Taitz to Philip Berg -- have all been repeatedly humiliated and embarrassed in court and in the court of public opinion. While we now live in a nation where prominent Republicans refuse to definitively say they believe the president to be a citizen, it's still not a "normal" thing for "non-crazy" people to actively pursue this stuff. Trump is doing what he can to change that, like brave Charlie Sheen blowing your mind about 7 World Trade Center before him.

It's just too bad Donald Trump is about as good at being a birther as he is at operating casinos.

As David Weigel wrote Wednesday morning, the original birthers -- "birther classics" -- have largely moved on to arguing increasingly unlikely conspiracies or arcane points of constitutional law, due to the fact that the movement began to stall once it became impossible to argue with the simple fact that Barack Obama had amply proven his citizenship. He has a real, legal birth certificate, endorsed by his state of birth. It's not a forgery. It has been photographed and handled by outside observers. He could get a passport with it.

So the original birthers argue that Obama can't be a citizen because he lost his citizenship when he lived in Indonesia or because his father was a British citizen or because Hawaii gives out birth certificates to babies born overseas or because he was born in a parallel Earth where the Nazis won the war or whatever. There is, at least, some thought put into it.

But Trump's birtherism is the birtherism of the dumb, lazy jerk-off. He doesn't bother to do any research to back up his outlandish claims. He doesn't even bother to examine the oft-hilarious research of the birthers who have come before him. It's insulting to the cause, honestly. True Birtherism, at this point, is like a dying art, practiced only by a few true masters. And now this clown comes waltzing in shouting about how there are no photographs of Obama in kindergarten. It's unseemly.

Alex Pareene writes about politics for Salon.
plainoldme
 
  2  
Fri 1 Apr, 2011 09:38 am
@plainoldme,
Trump is such a buffoon!
RABEL222
 
  3  
Fri 1 Apr, 2011 09:47 am
@H2O MAN,
Its not demonizing me. Im not a tea party member. In fact if someone accused me of being one I would punch them in the snout.
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RABEL222
 
  2  
Fri 1 Apr, 2011 09:49 am
@plainoldme,
I hope he runs for president. He is one guy I could eleminate immediately.
plainoldme
 
  2  
Fri 1 Apr, 2011 02:34 pm
@RABEL222,
I hadn't thought of it in quite those terms. But, while you and I might eliminate him immediately, there are people who vote for him . . . despite the fact that his casinos went belly up.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Fri 1 Apr, 2011 02:38 pm
@plainoldme,
Trump like Whitman are monied people who will throw their money away to win in politics, but doesn't have a prayer. Tell Trump "you're fired" before he even starts.
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plainoldme
 
  2  
Fri 1 Apr, 2011 04:19 pm
“One does not establish a dictatorship to safeguard a revolution; one makes revolution to establish a dictatorship.”

The words are Orwell's. I would use them to describe the Tea Party.

OmSigDAVID
 
  -3  
Fri 1 Apr, 2011 05:59 pm
@plainoldme,
No; the filosofy of the Tea Party
is to correct the liberal left-twisted distortion of
the freedom-minded Founders of this Republic in the American Revolution.





David
LionTamerX
 
  3  
Fri 1 Apr, 2011 06:10 pm
@JPB,
Quote:

This is what I've been saying all along. The tea party movement was one thing. Indies, myself included, loved the idea. What has become the Tea Party, however, is a horse of a different color. The tea party movement was usurped by big money and has become the home of the far right. Let 'em have it, but indies are not going to support the far right in large numbers.


The truth of the matter is that the Tea Party has been about big money and the far right from the get go. I'm sorry that you or anyone else got hoodwinked into believing that it was an actual "grassroots" movement.
OmSigDAVID
 
  -3  
Fri 1 Apr, 2011 06:15 pm
@LionTamerX,
Quote:

This is what I've been saying all along. The tea party movement was one thing. Indies, myself included, loved the idea. What has become the Tea Party, however, is a horse of a different color. The tea party movement was usurped by big money and has become the home of the far right. Let 'em have it, but indies are not going to support the far right in large numbers.
LionTamerX wrote:
The truth of the matter is that the Tea Party has been about big money and the far right from the get go. I'm sorry that you or anyone else got hoodwinked into believing that it was an actual "grassroots" movement.
The grass roots Tea Party movement
was and IS to fight against the loss of the Individual's historic freedom,
inflicted upon the Individual from the collectivist left.
OmSigDAVID
 
  -3  
Fri 1 Apr, 2011 06:17 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

Does the Tea Party have staying power?

Quote:
Will the Tea Party continue to have staying power as a political force? It certainly has shown its muscle in the spending fight. And Bachmann’s potential presidential candidacy wouldn’t be possible without the Tea Party. But a new CNN poll finds that the movement’s unfavorable rating has spiked with 47% holding a negative view of the Tea Party (versus 32% positive). That’s up from 43% unfavorable rating (versus 37% positive) back in December. It’s a trend we’ve also seen in our NBC/WSJ poll. And strikingly, independents have turned against the Tea Party. In the CNN poll, the movement has a 61%-18% fav/unfav among Republicans, a 10%-71% fav/unfav among Dems, and a 31%-48% fav/unfav among indies. More


This is what I've been saying all along. The tea party movement was one thing. Indies, myself included,
Indians ?
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LionTamerX
 
  3  
Fri 1 Apr, 2011 06:17 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
David, that's nonsense, and you know it.
cicerone imposter
 
  4  
Fri 1 Apr, 2011 06:23 pm
@LionTamerX,
LTX, Don't you love it when people like David has the gall to talk about "independence" while they advocate for the destruction of unions, right to life, discrimination against gays and lesbians, and ignore the federal judge in WI?
JTT
 
  3  
Fri 1 Apr, 2011 06:29 pm
@LionTamerX,
OmSig is, personally, fully acquainted with nonsense.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  -3  
Fri 1 Apr, 2011 06:34 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
LTX, Don't you love it when people like David has the gall to talk about "independence"
while they advocate for the destruction of unions, right to life, discrimination against gays and lesbians, and ignore the federal judge in WI?
SOME NERVE!!!

That is a 1OO% misrepresentation of my freedom-minded position.

I have never advocated that unions be destroyed.
I advocate that unions be treated EXACTLY like everyone else, and no better.
I have always supported chicks' freedom of abortion.
I do not discriminate against homosexuals.
Malicious LIES against me issuing from the imposter.
This proves that the imposter is a malicious LIAR, unless he is IGNORANT of my position.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
  -3  
Fri 1 Apr, 2011 06:39 pm
@LionTamerX,
LionTamerX wrote:
David, that's nonsense, and you know it.
I reject your post as being foolishness.





David
LionTamerX
 
  5  
Fri 1 Apr, 2011 06:42 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
LionTamerX wrote:

David, that's nonsense, and you know it.

I reject your post as being foolishness.


And I, yours. (Neener neener.)
plainoldme
 
  2  
Fri 1 Apr, 2011 06:45 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
The party exists to supress.
OmSigDAVID
 
  -2  
Fri 1 Apr, 2011 06:45 pm
@LionTamerX,
LionTamerX wrote:
(Neener neener.)
Translate??





David
plainoldme
 
  3  
Fri 1 Apr, 2011 06:47 pm
@cicerone imposter,
People like david think power is good as long as they hold. People like david think freedom should only be possessed by them and they have the right to order the lives of others.
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