@parados,
parados wrote:
So is this pronounced like "fuelist"?
I don 't pronounce it like fuel.
parados wrote:How do you pronounce this word David?
Shouldn't the ue be pronounced like "You eee"
Phonetics assigns the same sound to the same symbol at all times.
You can't change the way "u" is pronounced from one word to the next
if you are using phonetics David.
I have striven to illustrate the point
that paradigmatic English spelling is
ALMOST perfectly fonetic, but not quite, as to a minority of words,
which remain atavistic throwbacks to more Germanic times in the history of English.
Not all English words have successfully evolved from Chaucerian English.
There r errors of reasoning (e.g., jabbing Ls into woud, shoud or coud or spelling letter F as ph)
that we need to bring into conformity with logic and efficiency.
Whoever leads this effort, in the end, and writes a fonetic dictionary
will need to decide how to resolve problems (not me).
Among those issues will be how acceptable it is
to deviate from designated standards; exceptions thereto.
For instance, we cannot spell "right" as rite, because that word
means a ceremony; i.e., it is already taken, in definition.
Maybe a double letter to distinguish one from the other?? Something ez?
Nothing that I do, writing in these fora, is final polishing of words.
For too many decades, I was part of the problem,
perpetuating the problem by the erroneous use of English,
being complicit in supporting the paradime.
I had to do that, and I was not distracted by fonetics.
I
never told any of my stenografers to type foneticly.
(Most of the time), I don 't have to do that any more.
I 'm free
parados wrote:If you wanted to use the correct phonetic spellings David
Have I adopted your criteria qua what is "correct" ?????
parados wrote:(International phonetic symbols)
you would be "ju"
Full would be "fʊ l"
A real phonetic speller would never use the same vowel for those 2 words
but you do it all the time which only proves you aren't writing phonetically
or even making much of an attempt to do it.
I am not in a big hurry to accept your reasoning on this, Parados.
Whoever writes the first (or the last) fonetic dictionary
will need to decide whether to accept & preserve rules, or to reject
and begin the reasoning anew.
He will be the judge of that, not me.
I 'm only calling attention to the problem n suggesting some better possible alternatives to it.
If I point out that someone has a flat tire,
that does not require me to fix it for him.
parados wrote:Then there is this -
The real problem with phonetic spelling David is that different dialects say words differently..
Car for example
In Boston might be pronounced "k^a"
In other parts of American it might be pronounced "kar"
And in Britian it would probably be "ka"
OK. I suggest that we accept English pronunciation as spoken by Ronald Reagan.
The most extreme variations from standard pronunciation
in America r probably the New England accent and the Southern drawl.
I propose that we avoid such variations.
The way that Network anchors speak (their pronunciation) is OK.
So it seems to me.
David
