JTT
 
  -1  
Sat 22 Jan, 2011 05:56 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
JTT's "numbers" are just incorrect as anyone could have seen just from the numbers in NJ for the lst decade.




Quote:


Fatal attacks overall by Black Bears on humans are quite rare. To date, only 60 people have been killed in Black Bear attacks across North America since 1900, and 45 of those deaths took place in Alaska or Canada, where there is usually little contact between bears and people. The fatal attacks that have occurred were primarily unprovoked, predatory assaults in remote areas in which the victim was eaten. There is no consistent explanation why 1 out of every 1/2 million Black Bears becomes a human predator.

...

Although I have a great amount of appreciation for Professor Lynn Rogers and the black bear research he has done over the past few decades, I am a bit cautious about some of the recent material he has written. Particularly statements like this regarding common sound advice which is posted regularly by all wildlife agencies across the U.S.:

"Realizing how little science and how little first-hand experience is behind the well-meaning advice, we have tested as much of it as possible. We have not found a way to reliably elicit an attack. In fact, in 43 years, we've never been attacked, even when holding screaming cubs in our hands with mother bears present. We've seen lots of bluff charges, but no attacks. The closest we've come to eliciting attacks is when we tackled bears, which we quit doing decades ago. Of course, the bears bit and clawed their way free, but then they ran instead of attacking."


http://larrywbrown.blogspot.com/2010/02/black-bear-attacks.html

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JTT
 
  -1  
Sat 22 Jan, 2011 06:10 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
JTT's "numbers" are just incorrect as anyone could have seen just from the numbers in NJ for the lst decade.


Quote:
According to Herrero, the estimated
900,000 black bears across North America
in the 1990s caused 29 human deaths during that decade. In contrast, 44 fatal black
bear attacks occurred in the entire 20th
century. That means 65.9 percent of black
bear attacks have taken place in the last 10
percent of the century.
So far in the 2000s, 11 fatal attacks have
occurred — three of them in 2005.

http://www.ejmagazine.com/2005b/pdfs/bears.pdf


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parados
 
  1  
Sat 22 Jan, 2011 07:01 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
There survives a letter from The Author of the Declaration of Independence,
America 's 3rd President and the Founder of the University of Virginia
to his 12 year old nephew wherein he warns the boy to always take his gun with him
when he goes out walking, and advised him to practice with it for proficiency.

I highlighted the areas that are speculative in nature.
He never warns him to take the gun. He never tells him to practice for proficiency.
OmSigDAVID
 
  -1  
Sat 22 Jan, 2011 09:14 pm
@parados,

Quote:
There survives a letter from The Author of the Declaration of Independence,
America 's 3rd President and the Founder of the University of Virginia
to his 12 year old nephew wherein he warns the boy to always take his gun with him
when he goes out walking, and advised him to practice with it for proficiency.
parados wrote:
I highlighted the areas that are speculative in nature.
He never warns him to take the gun. He never tells him to practice for proficiency.
That is not how I remember it, tho I parafrase, not quote.
I remember that he deems gunnery practice
to be beneficial to character development.
He told the boy to take his gun with him
when he goes out walking.

According to YOU,
what is the kid supposed to do with the gun ??





David
RABEL222
 
  1  
Sat 22 Jan, 2011 11:18 pm
@plainoldme,
Big deal! Half the people I know have had an affair at one time in their life.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 22 Jan, 2011 11:21 pm
@RABEL222,
Only half?
RABEL222
 
  1  
Sat 22 Jan, 2011 11:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I was being, o lord, conserative.
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parados
 
  1  
Sat 22 Jan, 2011 11:30 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Perhaps you should stop relying on your memory and find Jefferson's actual words.

He never tells him to practice with the gun. He never warns him to always take it with him.

After advising which books to read he gives this advice.
Quote:
In order to assure a certain progress in this reading, consider what hours you have free from the school and the exercises of the school. Give about two of them every day to exercise; for health must not be sacrificed to learning. A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks. Never think of taking a book with you. The object of walking is to relax the mind. You should therefore not permit yourself even to think while you walk. But divert your attention by the objects surrounding you. Walking is the best possible exercise. Habituate yourself to walk very far.

He then spends half of the next paragraph talking about the benefits of walking.
OmSigDAVID
 
  -1  
Sat 22 Jan, 2011 11:50 pm
@parados,
I ask a second time:
According to YOU,
what is it that the kid is encouraged to do with the gun ??

If Jefferson told u to take your umbrella
with u whenever u go out walking,
then a fair n reasonable inference
is that he is warning u against getting wet.





David
parados
 
  1  
Sat 22 Jan, 2011 11:57 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Warning me to not get wet is not the same thing as warning me to always take an umbrella.

He wasn't warned to take his gun. Advice is not a warning. Unless you want to argue that Jefferson was warning his nephew to read history and warning him to take his exercise in the afternoon and warning him to exercise in the morning.
OmSigDAVID
 
  -1  
Sun 23 Jan, 2011 12:12 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
Warning me to not get wet is not the same thing as warning me to always take an umbrella.

He wasn't warned to take his gun. Advice is not a warning. Unless you want to argue that Jefferson was warning his nephew to read history and warning him to take his exercise in the afternoon and warning him to exercise in the morning.
Yes; u will note that he begins his letter
by expressing his consternation and dismay, then telling him what to DO.

Jefferson seemed rather intense about it, I thawt.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
  -1  
Sun 23 Jan, 2011 12:16 am
@parados,
Permit me to ask u a THIRD time,
(since the first 2 were not availing):
According to YOU,
what did Jefferson want the boy
to DO with his gun ????????????


I think that what anyone does
with a gun is obvious,
but u may disagree.





David
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Sun 23 Jan, 2011 08:09 am
From the Care2 website:

A 78-year-old CUNY professor, Frances Fox Piven, has found herself not only the target of criticism from conservative radio and TV talk show host Glenn Beck, but also the recipient of what amount to death threats.

On his News Channel program, which more than 2 million people watch, and on one of his Web sites, The Blaze, Beck has turned Piven into the 'primary character' of his 'warnings about a progressive take-down of America,' according to the January 21st New York Times. Piven, says Beck, is the author of a plan that will '“intentionally collapse our economic system."'

Piven has received threats via e-mail and anonymous comments on The Blaze have called for her death: '“Somebody tell Frances I have 5000 roundas ready and I’ll give My life to take Our freedom back"' and "ONE SHOT...ONE KILL" (spelling and grammar have not been edited).

The article, “The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty," that Beck has seized upon was published in 1966 and written by Piven and her late husband, Richard Cloward. According to the New York Times, the article

proposed that if people overwhelmed the welfare rolls, fiscal and political stress on the system could force reform and give rise to changes like a guaranteed income. By drawing attention to the topic, the proposal “had a big impact” even though it was not enacted, Ms. Piven said. “A lot of people got the money that they desperately needed to survive,” she said.
In Mr. Beck’s telling on a Fox broadcast on Jan. 5, 2010, Ms. Piven and Mr. Cloward (who died in 2001) planned “to overwhelm the system and bring about the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with impossible demands and bring on economic collapse.” Mr. Beck observed that the number of welfare recipients soared in the years after the article, and said the article was like “economic sabotage.”



He linked what he termed the Cloward-Piven Strategy to President Obama’s statement late in the 2008 presidential campaign that “we are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.”



Piven is a long-time columnist for The Nation, which published an editorial about the threats to her:
For a responsible journalist and a responsible media outlet, such an incident would have spurred a process of intense self-scrutiny. But this is Glenn Beck and Fox, and as is evident from the campaign against Piven, nothing of the sort occurred. In the hundreds of posts about Piven on The Blaze, there is not one admonition to tone down the violent rhetoric, not one clear instance in which an editor intervened to moderate the thread. In fact, commenters seem at liberty to egg one another on: one poster pointedly noted that Piven lives in New York City and teaches at CUNY; another then linked to a website that listed Piven's home address and phone number. "Why is this woman still alive?" asked capnjack.

Beck's fixation on Piven's 1966 article also leads me to wonder if he'll be digging up other academic articles by professors whose scholarship---loook out for those Marxist literary critics----might (in Beck's view) somehow contribute to the '"progressive take-down of America."' I guess it might be a way for him to get more fodder for his shows and site.

Saying that Beck quoted Piven 'accurately and had never threatened her,' Fox News has indicated that it will not order him to stop discussing the professor and her work.

It is extremely unfortunate that Fox News has taken such an irresponsible stance. Even though the above comments were made on The Blaze, Beck's targeting of Piven began on his show on Fox News. By not requiring Beck to cease his attack on Piven, Fox News is tacitly condoning the threats of violence against her.

And there's nothing academic, or ethical, about that.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 23 Jan, 2011 10:33 am
@plainoldme,
"Academic and ethics" are in the eye of the beholder; never the twain shall meet.
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parados
 
  1  
Sun 23 Jan, 2011 12:25 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Intense about what?
He talks about what books to read.
He talks about exercise and goes on and on about walking while mentioning a gun.

Clearly Jefferson wants his nephew to WALK. He doesn't want him to spend the 2 hours practicing his aim. He doesn't tell him he needs the gun to protect himself. He doesn't tell him to beware of cougars and bears. He wants his nephew to take a gun and NOT a book so his mind can relax and he can observe what is around him.
OmSigDAVID
 
  -1  
Sun 23 Jan, 2011 03:37 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
Intense about what?
Intense about how he begins his letter.


parados wrote:
He talks about what books to read.
He talks about exercise and goes on and on about walking while mentioning a gun.

Clearly Jefferson wants his nephew to WALK. He doesn't want him to spend the 2 hours practicing his aim. He doesn't tell him he needs the gun to protect himself. He doesn't tell him to beware of cougars and bears. He wants his nephew to take a gun and NOT a book so his mind can relax and he can observe what is around him.
If he has his GUN, then there is a diminished need for fear of cougars n bears.

To me, it is perfectly plain that the gun
is a means of self defense.
Jefferson recommends the gun;
exercising with it (as I remember).
That means firing it.
If u disagree,
then please be so kind
as to reveal WHAT u think Jefferson
wants the boy to DO with his gun!??





David
parados
 
  2  
Sun 23 Jan, 2011 08:20 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I guess if you want to make up what Jefferson said, let alone his meaning, I can't argue with you. I can only point out that your statements are not factual and not supported by anything other than your outlandish thoughts about guns.

So,.. which is it David?
Is the gun for self defense or is it for exercise? You can't seem to decide let alone follow what Jefferson said about it.
plainoldme
 
  1  
Sun 23 Jan, 2011 09:59 pm
@parados,
During the publicity tour for the release of the 1992 remake of The Last of the Mohicans, the reproduction Kentucky flintlock used by Daniel Day-Lewis in the film was described as weighing 30 pounds.

The Kentucky or Pennsylvania rifle was a widely used gun of the Revolutionary War period. If it did indeed weigh 30 pounds, then it was carried for exercise.
OmSigDAVID
 
  -1  
Sun 23 Jan, 2011 11:22 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
I guess if you want to make up what Jefferson said, let alone his meaning, I can't argue with you. I can only point out that your statements are not factual and not supported by anything other than your outlandish thoughts about guns.

So,.. which is it David?
Is the gun for self defense or is it for exercise? You can't seem to decide let alone follow what Jefferson said about it.
NO, Parados. Its just that u don 't get Jefferson's point,
and that is the reason that u cannot
and have not answered my repeated requests
that u tell us an alternate theory
of what YOU believe Jefferson wanted
the boy to DO with his gun.

Maybe the concept of guns is simply too alien to your mind. (?)

When I speak of working out with my ordnance
or when Jefferson recommends the gun for exercise,
Jefferson means that it shoud be applied
to its natural purpose, which is target practice
(unless it is being used defensively, or to harvest meat).
To exercise with a gun means to fire it, presumably in target practice.
The boy coud do that while he was out walking with it.
If Jefferson did NOT want him to fire it while on his walks,
then pray tell, Parados, in your opinion,
what did Jefferson want the boy to DO with the gun during those walks???

I wanna hear this.

If Jefferson had recommended that the boy take his radio along with him on his walks,
then presumably, he wanted the boy to play the radio during the walks.

So also his gun.

That shoud not be hard to understand.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
  -1  
Sun 23 Jan, 2011 11:28 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
During the publicity tour for the release of the 1992 remake of The Last of the Mohicans, the reproduction Kentucky flintlock used by Daniel Day-Lewis in the film was described as weighing 30 pounds.

The Kentucky or Pennsylvania rifle was a widely used gun of the Revolutionary War period.
If it did indeed weigh 30 pounds, then it was carried for exercise.
What leads u to believe
that the gun in question was a shoulder weapon??

Do u know for a fact that it was not a pistol ?





David
 

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