JTT
 
  -1  
Wed 19 Jan, 2011 06:18 pm
@georgeob1,
Another brave pathfinder. You don't see my posts, Gob, because you don't much like honesty.
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JTT
 
  0  
Wed 19 Jan, 2011 06:32 pm
@Ragman,
Quote:
JTT, in general that Wikipedia piece does nothing but prove FM's point. Did you even bother to read it?


Really, Ragman? Are you talking about the same article?

2010 0n - no people killed in the eastern states

2000 to 2009 - four people killed in the eastern states

1990s - no people killed in the eastern states

1980s - no people killed in the eastern states

1970s - no people killed in the eastern states

1960s - no people killed in the eastern states

1950s ...
farmerman
 
  1  
Wed 19 Jan, 2011 09:31 pm
@JTT,
PA GAME NEWS, publishes "incidents" wherein a bear /human intercation involved the game commission officers. They report several a year in PA alone but, as you say, noone has been badly mauled mauled by a bear since the AT attacks in the 80's. We have a "bear" hunting season which, by evolutionary standards, is actually a selection method in which only the bggest bears are taken out. Last year the biggest black bear taken in PA was a 900+ pounder that was a major concern in a vacation village in the Northeastern Vounties. Imagine a 900 pound bear with antisocial tendencies interaction with a series of humans on the AT or the several intersecting ones. Thats in Pa alone. Bears are opportunistic omnivores and I would rather be having and not needing my 45 in the woods.

Im not even close to being like Dave but I think that we havent exercised responsible gun control because the NRA stands in the way to all reasonable gun control law.

The constitution only says that our rights to bear arms shall not be infringed. It says nothing about transport,, purchase, sale, or registration.

I have a right to practice a religion, but there are limitations decreed by USSC on the definitions involved. The 2nd AMendment has been so marketed to all aspects of govt that noone has the balls to take it on and so we have a resultant society that is involved with this discussion and the tea party toadies up to the NRA tit like all toadies do.

Sooner or later responsible controls will prevail and in Heller , the USSC hints at this.
parados
 
  2  
Wed 19 Jan, 2011 09:48 pm
@farmerman,
Yes fm.. but as the later post points out in it's link to bear attacks, the number of people killed by bears in a 10 year time frame, the 2000s, is about 30. The number of people killed by accidental shootings in 2001 alone was 802. Just deer hunting in GA produced almost as many deaths in the decade as bears did nationwide.
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farmerman
 
  1  
Wed 19 Jan, 2011 09:51 pm
@farmerman,
The New Jersey Bear Management Plan was produced in 2010.On fig 3 on Page 34 are the listed bear problems in the past decade IN NJ ALONE (not one of our wilderness states)

Thereve been 1 human attacke per year and tens of home entries or pet attacks per year. TAke a look at the charts. I wonder whether your Wiki list includes the attacks or only the killings by bear.
http://www.state.nj.us/dep/fgw/pdf/bear/policy_lit/cbbmp3-10.pdf ALSO parados. When I go into the woods hiking and its a hunting season, Im dressed accordingly. Ive been up in Maine doing some mushroom gathering in October when its bear and deer season and Ive seen total assholes walking around dressed up with their Elmer Fudd brown hats and LL Bean camo coats. They were hunting in camo. We have laws about dressing to be seen by your fellow hunters and dont "Act like a bear" by climbing a tree during bear seasoin while dressed in a Ushanky hat and dark coat.
I feel sad for the deths in hunting but in many cases the killed individuals drew fire by looking like the target species at a distance.

Im still gonna pack when I go into bear country, I dont believe taht anyone here (unless theyve done the hike) has any idea about wildlife habits.
I will hike in moose rut but I dont hike in deer rut. Deer just go nutz and will hurt you badly when they are crazy in love. Moose, although fastcan be fooled better than deer, who will keep their eye on you as they attack. Moose go into these displays that make them lose sight of you .

parados
 
  2  
Wed 19 Jan, 2011 10:09 pm
@farmerman,
My only point was you are more likely to be killed by a gun in the wild than by an animal. Statistics support my statement.
Rockhead
 
  1  
Wed 19 Jan, 2011 10:40 pm
@parados,
what are the odds of being killed by a wild animal with a gun?

just for arguments sake, of course...
plainoldme
 
  1  
Wed 19 Jan, 2011 10:55 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I 'd enjoy a good argument with her,
if she were able to DO it, but she is not
of sufficient intelligence for it.


So insecure.

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JTT
 
  1  
Wed 19 Jan, 2011 11:00 pm
@Rockhead,
With deer, there's a fairly good chance if you happen to drop your weapon. Being that they are so much faster, a dropped weapon is likely to end up in their hands, errr, hooves and then the hunter/hiker is dead meat.

Some people find it disturbing that deer will tend to gloat after such a kill.
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Wed 19 Jan, 2011 11:00 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
I haven't followed the dialogue, as I don't see JTT's posts. However, I think you should credit him with an insider's understanding of paranoia.


david has paranoia sewn up.
OmSigDAVID
 
  -1  
Thu 20 Jan, 2011 03:28 am
@plainoldme,
Quote:
I haven't followed the dialogue, as I don't see JTT's posts.
However, I think you should credit him with an insider's understanding of paranoia.
plainoldme wrote:
david has paranoia sewn up.
Plain, u do not know what paranoia IS.

I know this from the fact that
I listed its classical symptoms
for which it is widely known, and u dismissed them out-of-hand.

That indicates that u have some unique personal definition thereof
to which the rest of us are not privy.





David
parados
 
  4  
Thu 20 Jan, 2011 08:21 am
@Rockhead,
Quote:
what are the odds of being killed by a wild animal with a gun?

just for arguments sake, of course...

Less than being killed by a domestic animal with a gun.

Quote:
Carol Ann Coles died after a loaded shotgun was discharged by the family dog.

http://www.kboi2.com/news/102366764.html

Quote:
A gun-toting dog has let his owner in a critical condition in hospital when he accidentally shot him in the back.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article.../Dog-shoots-man-freak-gun-accident.html

But guns don't kill people, dogs with guns do. If the dog didn't have a gun, he probably would have used a knife.
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revelette
 
  3  
Thu 20 Jan, 2011 08:21 am
Are there not gun rights/control threads where you all can obsess to your hearts content?

I think farmerman makes a good point about both the necessity of carrying some sort of weapon when out in dangerous country where you will either run into snakes or bears or wild people. I am not comfortable carrying a weapon, so I have simply stopped going to my favorite spot where I used to walk the old coal mine hills which was located behind the woods of my parents property. I wasn't afraid of bears obviously, but mostly young guys on four wheelers who started to show up there. For me, carrying a gun and being on alert would have simply ruined the whole experience of simply enjoying the experience of walking outdoors.
OmSigDAVID
 
  -1  
Thu 20 Jan, 2011 11:07 am
@revelette,
revelette wrote:
Are there not gun rights/control threads where you all can obsess to your hearts content?

I think farmerman makes a good point about both the necessity of carrying some sort of weapon when out in dangerous country where you will either run into snakes or bears or wild people. I am not comfortable carrying a weapon, so I have simply stopped going to my favorite spot where I used to walk the old coal mine hills which was located behind the woods of my parents property. I wasn't afraid of bears obviously, but mostly young guys on four wheelers who started to show up there. For me, carrying a gun and being on alert would have simply ruined the whole experience of simply enjoying the experience of walking outdoors.
Not long ago, I saw on TV an elderly couple who used to like to hike or run in the wilderness.
On such an occasion, a mountain lion pounced on the old fellow and began eating him.
He and his wife were both yelling and complaining, objecting to the lion.
All 3 of them were still standing up, while the said lion was munching & chomping on the old fellow.
His wife did not approve, and she yelled and remonstrated against said lion,
whom she hit with a stick; (possibly, unregistered with the police).
After a while, the lion got tired of it and left.
Fortunately, the lion had not eaten so much as to be incompatible with his survival.

I can 't help but wonder whether the wife,
or the victim, wished that thay had competent equipment
to control that emergency; (if not a shoulder weapon, then at least a powerful handgun).





David
parados
 
  2  
Thu 20 Jan, 2011 12:09 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Gosh David...

Accidents do happen.
OmSigDAVID
 
  -1  
Thu 20 Jan, 2011 12:16 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
Gosh David...

Accidents do happen.
In recognition of that fact,
it is NEGLIGENT to fail to take prudent precautions
to control foreseeable emergencies.
This sort of thing has happened before.





David
parados
 
  3  
Thu 20 Jan, 2011 12:31 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
But guns don't prevent accidents David. You argued that earlier about the gun that went off accidentally.
OmSigDAVID
 
  -1  
Thu 20 Jan, 2011 12:38 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
But guns don't prevent accidents David.
You argued that earlier about the gun that went off accidentally.
I was referring to the lion attack upon runners
who were not equipped to control such a foreseeable emergency,
looking upon that as an accident.





David
parados
 
  2  
Thu 20 Jan, 2011 12:38 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
So was I.
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Fri 21 Jan, 2011 01:54 am
Not to put too fine a point on it, the elderly couple with the lion and farmer with the black bears are committing the interspecies equivalent of home invasion, and they are the invaders. Just because you like wilderness doesn't necessarily mean it's wise, or even moral to go there and then shoot the animal who lives there when you're not around when it feels threatened, or sees dinner coming directly to its table.
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