OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 12 Apr, 2011 09:09 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
The right to fire an employee is a conservative value? God, you're more confused than okie.
Specify your dispute, please.
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Fido
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2011 08:30 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
In my reality, I support the "real" conservative goals of less government, but what the GOP is doing to this country is playing politics mixed in with religion; a dangerous game. They talk about "right to life," but how they handle that issue is to kill everything that is also good like Planned Parenthood. They are aggressive in their actions that play well to the core extremists of the party, and they believe in fiction more than the reality of their play book. Look at all those republican governors who are trying to kill public unions, and how the GOP is now working to destroy Medicare and and Medicaid. It's as if there aren't any conservatives who survive on Medicare and Medicaid, social security, or our educational system to give bigger tax breaks to those who already own 71% of this country's wealth.

They still seem to get their party's support, and that is the big 64 thousand dollar question; why?
Fido wrote:
This is a country founded on revolution, and revolution is the true conservative value;
Yes; the right of revolution (the same as the right to FIRE an unsatisfactory employee) is among conservative values.
More than anything else: it is personal freedom.





David
Certainly, if we had the right to terminate our relationship with our king we have the right to terminate the relationship we have with employees; but since the people are the law, and because might makes right, so if the people decide to terminate employers, it is legal... No one should be bound to agreements that do not serve them, or that they did not make... The constitution has not been ratified by anyone alive, and no one is likely to change it in any significant fashion... But, it has changed with every new interpretation of it, and by the insidious actions of the congress and president that make precident without ever making constitutional those changes... The common point of agreement with all people in government is that we shall not have democracy... The right fears democracy as much as the left... Since they have the power, not one of them wants to rock the boat... They all follow the memory of Mark Hanna who said to one: You have been in politics long enough to know that elected officials owe the people nothing...

Now; I understand from many years of labor, that if one has an employee with an attitude or a problem, that it is often easier to fire the employee than to fix the problem... What will the employer do if the people realize it is so much easier to fire the employer than to face firing??? There is only one of him and many of them... And, since the rich, the employer class refuse to pay taxes, who is there who can enforce their rights for them... They forget in putting the whole burden of government on the people that the people will then have a right to their rights being enforced, because in former days, the rich paid for their rights and for that reason enjoyed what they paid for...
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2011 10:32 pm
The Republican blogs are full of angst over tomorrow's budget vote, and the vitriol being displayed towards Boehner is palpable.

Cycloptichorn
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 12:39 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I kind of wish I could go back to mispronouncing his name....
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 03:18 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:
I kind of wish I could go back to mispronouncing his name....
Our last Vice-President pronounced his last name: "Cheeeny",
tho almost everyone called him "Vice President Chain y".

I don 't believe that he ever corrected anyone, unless asked.
I wish that he had been the President
with W as the VP.

He was a REAL conservative; the Bushes were not.
He 's a great guy.





David
Fido
 
  0  
Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 05:25 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

DrewDad wrote:
I kind of wish I could go back to mispronouncing his name....
Our last Vice-President pronounced his last name: "Cheeeny",
tho almost everyone called him "Vice President Chain y".

I don 't believe that he ever corrected anyone, unless asked.
I wish that he had been the President
with W as the VP.

He was a REAL conservative; the Bushes were not.
He 's a great guy.





David

FUnny
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 06:02 am
@Fido,
I wish that we coud switch out Fido
in favor of the posts of VP Richard Cheney.





David
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 07:11 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
He was a REAL conservative; the Bushes were not.


You mean he was in favor of war, handouts to the rich, and acting as if people were "less than the dust beneath thy chariot wheel?"

I'd have to agree.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 08:03 am
@DrewDad,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
He was a REAL conservative; the Bushes were not.
DrewDad wrote:
You mean he was in favor of war, handouts to the rich,
Well, it was good to get rid of Saddam; he was too risky.
We shoud have returned immediately thereafter tho,
like Bush against Noriega in Panama.

Its good to reduce the top tax rates
to something more in line with government services
that thay ACTUALLY receive. The Weather Bureau does not give them special favors.

NO human taxpayer shoud pay over $1,000,000 in any year.





DrewDad wrote:
and acting as if people were "less than the dust beneath thy chariot wheel?"

I'd have to agree.
He did not do anything qua chariot wheels.

If his health were better, I 'd love to see him as President.





David
Fido
 
  1  
Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 09:04 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
He was a REAL conservative; the Bushes were not.
DrewDad wrote:
You mean he was in favor of war, handouts to the rich,
Well, it was good to get rid of Saddam; he was too risky.
We shoud have returned immediately thereafter tho,
like Bush against Noriega in Panama.

Its good to reduce the top tax rates
to something more in line with government services
that thay ACTUALLY receive. The Weather Bureau does not give them special favors.

NO human taxpayer shoud pay over $1,000,000 in any year.





DrewDad wrote:
and acting as if people were "less than the dust beneath thy chariot wheel?"

I'd have to agree.
He did not do anything qua chariot wheels.

If his health were better, I 'd love to see him as President.





David
Risky in range, but harmless to everyone else...
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 09:16 am
@Fido,
I was concerned that he was going to buy a nuke
from starving Russians next door and detonate it
as it approached an American port city, like mine,
but I don 't think he'll do that any more.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 02:02 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
In spite of your fervent attempts to illustrate just what a morally reprehensible person you are, Om, I'm sure that you haven't come anywhere close to plumbing the depths of your depravity.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 02:06 pm
Poor David spends his time giving a thumbs down to everybody who challenges him. He's a kid in adult clothing.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 02:39 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Poor David spends his time giving a thumbs down to everybody who challenges him.
I LIKE to be challenged.
Some of the folks in this forum do it with adroit competence.
I enjoy that; I respect n admire it. (That makes posting FUN.)

Other posters don 't. I don 't respect those.




cicerone imposter wrote:
He's a kid in adult clothing.
That much IS true; it always was.





David
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Fido
 
  0  
Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 03:53 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

I was concerned that he was going to buy a nuke
from starving Russians next door and detonate it
as it approached an American port city, like mine,
but I don 't think he'll do that any more.
No doubt he has something bigger up his sleave or down his collar...The last thing we want is for those people to get any defiance in their character... If you kill a big fish once in a while all the little ones stay skeered...
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Fido
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 03:54 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

In spite of your fervent attempts to illustrate just what a morally reprehensible person you are, Om, I'm sure that you haven't come anywhere close to plumbing the depths of your depravity.
His depravity likely had no plumbing when he bought it, and why should he throw money into that crack house now???
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Fido
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 03:58 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Poor David spends his time giving a thumbs down to everybody who challenges him. He's a kid in adult clothing.
Are you sure all those conservatives ain't wearing little kids underpants or some stripper's g string... They all act like they have a perpetual supreme going on, and while they like to blame the poor and the liberals, they worship the rich who give it to them every time...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2011 11:18 am
@Fido,
From the NYT.
Quote:
Unruly G.O.P. Puts Boehner to a Test in Budget Vote
Mary F. Calvert for The New York Times

A House vote Thursday revealed a divide within the Republican party that presents a challenge to Speaker John A. Boehner and other leaders.
By CARL HULSE
Published: April 14, 2011


WASHINGTON — It should have been a moment of victory for Speaker John A. Boehner and fellow members of a House Republican leadership team still learning on the job as they forced through a record level of spending cuts. Instead, it felt a little like defeat.

Congress Passes Budget Bill, but Some in G.O.P. Balk (April 15, 2011)
Budget Deal Fuels Revival of School Vouchers (April 15, 2011)
Spending Agreement Hurts Police and Fire Agencies (April 15, 2011)


Though the House voted convincingly to end the spending fight that had brought the government to the brink of a shutdown, Democrats had to ride to the rescue to provide the winning margin as dozens of Republicans turned thumbs down.

Fifty-nine Republicans — nearly a quarter of the new majority — rejected the measure personally negotiated by Mr. Boehner and endorsed by his top lieutenants, Representatives Eric Cantor of Virginia, the majority leader, and Kevin McCarthy of California, the party whip. Another lawmaker said he would have opposed the measure but missed the vote. Twenty-seven of the 59 who bucked the leadership were freshmen.

The outcome amounted to a warning shot to the leadership from its right flank that conservatives are serious when they say they will not support measures that do not meet their fiscal ideals, a position that is not going to make Mr. Boehner’s life any easier as he heads into new showdowns over raising the federal debt limit and deficit reduction. It could also have long-term implications for the speaker politically if he continues to face such internal division.

“I think my leadership needs to probably sit down and have a come-to-Jesus with themselves,” said Representative Allen B. West, a freshman Republican from Florida who derided the budget cuts as a “raindrop in an ocean.”


It was predicted by many on a2k that the new GOP/conservative majority was not going to be a cake walk. It'll probably get worse before anything resembling agreement on anything faces the GOP.
Fido
 
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Reply Sat 16 Apr, 2011 02:39 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I drove by the state capital building the other day... There was a tea party rally, and nobodies came.... Perhaps less than two hundred... They got a lot of news coverage, and our (Michigan's ) governor addressed them... They may have shot their waddd
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 16 Apr, 2011 02:43 pm
@Fido,
With the on-going split between the tea party and old-time conservatives, the tea party will probably become a non-entity by 2012.
 

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