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The PC sword strikes down yet another good man

 
 
Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2010 02:43 am
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The move came after Mr. Williams, who is also a Fox News political analyst, appeared on the “The O’Reilly Factor” on Monday. On the show, the host, Bill O’Reilly, asked him to respond to the notion that the United States was facing a “Muslim dilemma.” Mr. O’Reilly said, “The cold truth is that in the world today jihad, aided and abetted by some Muslim nations, is the biggest threat on the planet.”

Mr. Williams said he concurred with Mr. O’Reilly.

He continued: “I mean, look, Bill, I’m not a bigot. You know the kind of books I’ve written about the civil rights movement in this country. But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous.”

Mr. Williams also made reference to the Pakistani immigrant who pleaded guilty this month to trying to plant a car bomb in Times Square. “He said the war with Muslims, America’s war is just beginning, first drop of blood. I don’t think there’s any way to get away from these facts,” Mr. Williams said.

NPR said in its statement that the remarks “were inconsistent with our editorial standards and practices, and undermined his credibility as a news analyst with NPR.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/21/business/media/21npr.html?_r=1&hp

Seriously, does American journalism have any credibility when their owners continue to fire guys for saying what they believe to be true if the truth so happens to not conform to the PC laws?? We all know that the so called journalists are increasingly toads for their masters, the ones who sign their paycheck. If one wants to hear the truth the only place to go now is the internet, it is not the only place in America were a debate can be held.

Yet another reason to totally swear off listening to the elites, they have not only no demonstrated competence and little respect for their fellow citizens but they also have no allegiance to the truth
 
Fido
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2010 04:50 am
@hawkeye10,
I would not trust anyone for the truth who used the term: Muslim garb... There are many forms of traditional dress among Muslims, and such prejudicial and judgmental behavior only inflames what is a very tenuous relationship between us and them... Our taking of their resources is always going to be a problem... Our support of Israel is always going to be a problem... Our support of petty dictators over their rights is always going to be a problem... And the deliberate misunderstanding of their religion, the equating of Allah, or Mohammed, Peace be upon him, - with Saten is always going to be a terrible problem... There have always been Christians and Jews in Muslim lands excluding Saudi Arabia. and they have always had enough of nominal rights to prosper... They were not the ones that divided the world up between us and them... The Jews did that with Israel, when no one ever said they could not be there and have their own institutions... That was not enough for the Jews, who wanted all without paying for any... Our having an Army in those lands is a source of contention, even of hatred... They would not be here except for an invitation to come and improve and diversify the place... I have a dentist, and two physicians, both specialist who are Muslims... Coming from lands with virtually only one book, that in the course of a year may produce only a handful of books; they prove they can learn, and that there is nothing wrong with their heads... I trust them with my life, but I also respect them, their cultures, and their intelligence... We could have these people as friends... The great threat to the west and our way of life has always been communism, and I am a communist... But communism holds no attraction for those people... Things being what they are, family, and honor are all a part of the constitution of their religion... These are good people, and we are the problem, and when we seek peace they will give it to us, but as with all just actions, that peace will have two sides, and it will not be dictated by us.. God is Great.. Thank you...
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djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2010 04:59 am
i have to agree with hawk on this one

very little speech should be restricted, if he said, when i get on a plane and i see people in muslim garb i immediately start yelling for the air marshal to execute them before they can kill us, that might be different

Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2010 05:02 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
Seriously, does American journalism have any credibility when their owners continue to fire guys for saying what they believe to be true if the truth so happens to not conform to the PC laws?? (emphasis added)


Hey genius, what laws are you referring to? You just love to make **** up.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2010 05:04 am
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:
i have to agree with hawk on this one

very little speech should be restricted, if he said, when i get on a plane and i see people in muslim garb i immediately start yelling for the air marshal to execute them before they can kill us, that might be different


His speech is not being restricted, his employment is being restricted, and, believe it or not, that's legal. He is free to find another employer who will be comfortable with his bullshit.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2010 05:05 am
I agree with NPR.

He was trying to be both journalist and demagogue. These two things don't go well together.

Setanta is correct. This is not a free speech issue. Making diatribes on O'Reilly directly impacts his ability to do his day job in a credible way.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2010 05:14 am
i don't fault NPR for getting rid of him, that's their prerogative

i'm saying folks get bent out of shape about thoughts and language that shouldn't be a problem
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2010 05:20 am
@hawkeye10,
I guess the idea is that if u have emotions qua the Moslems,
u must keep them secret; NPR opposes free speech.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2010 05:22 am
@hawkeye10,
I wonder whether or not
it is part of Moslem theory that conquering the world is necessary.





David
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2010 05:22 am
@djjd62,
Djjd,

Let me push on that. Does the target of the "thoughts and language" matter? Juan Williams was talking about the "Jewish Dilemma" and how Jews were the biggest threat to the world, would you feel the same way?

Before you answer this, remember that 70 years ago Jews were the target of much of this type of thing.

It seems to me that sometimes getting bent out shape is an appropriate response to hateful demagoguery.

Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2010 05:29 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
NPR opposes free speech.


I disagree. NPR does not oppose free speech, as long as it is consonant with their agenda!!! Rolling Eyes
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2010 05:32 am
@Phoenix32890,
David wrote:
NPR opposes free speech.
Phoenix32890 wrote:
I disagree. NPR does not oppose free speech, as long as it is consonant with their agenda!!! Rolling Eyes
I 'll accept that as a friendly amendment.





David
parados
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2010 05:37 am
@OmSigDAVID,
What an agenda. NPR has journalistic standards. How dare they?
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2010 05:37 am
@Phoenix32890,
NPR is pretty carefully balanced. Their anchors don't demagogue on either side.

They even banned the word "Teabagger".
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2010 05:39 am
@Phoenix32890,
Phoenix, let me ask you the same question I asked Djjd.

If he had been talking about the "Jewish Dilemma" instead of the Muslim one, would you feel the same way?
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djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2010 05:39 am
@maxdancona,
i think speech that includes direct incitement to violence is bad, saying the jews are a threat and need to die is wrong, saying the jews are a threat is no big deal

i guess i'd rather know how people think, in canada when howard stern was still on regular radio, the CRTC (our version of the FCC) wouldn't let him play his segments where he talked to daniel carver of the KKK, i disagree with that stance, the man was a racist no doubt about it, but i'd rather that speech was out in the open, especially in the hands of someone who made him look foolish, but either way

Fido
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2010 05:44 am
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

i don't fault NPR for getting rid of him, that's their prerogative

i'm saying folks get bent out of shape about thoughts and language that shouldn't be a problem


It is a problem... If we wanted to have socialism, be friends with the world and live within our means we could... If you want to have international capitalism and live off the resources of others, and use them as a market for excess production, then you need their help and friendship unless you expect to jamb everything down their throats with the barrel of a gun.... There are billion and a half of those people and we really don't need to antagonize them so some importer can sell undergarments in 30 second slots...

Put things in perspective... They don't need us; but we do need them... And if people want to have a rational discussion, which is seen rarely enough on any channel, and never on Fox, then the appeal to emotion and personal experience should be given the value it deserves and left home... The chances of being struck by lightning are greater than from dying of a terrorist attack it the U.S. ... Fear has its place... Its place is to bend the will of the voters to the election of a certain sort of candidate...
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2010 05:45 am
Mr. Williams wrote:
But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous.”


What constitutes "Muslim garb?" There are Hindus, Jains, Sikhs, Bahais and Coptic Christians who dress in exactly the same way as those in their countries who are Muslims--is it reasonable to assume that they are Muslims just because of the way they dress? There are Muslims who don't dress in the "garb" to which he refers. Muslims from Indonesia (the largest Muslim nation on earth), from Chechnya, Ingusetia, Tajikastan, Uzbekistan, Bosnia, Albania and Kosovo dress as westerners do--how does he know that the joker next to him in "American garb" isn't a suicide bombers?

Like all bigots, there are holes in his "logic" you could drive a truck through.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/09/images/Atta_gate.jpg

This is an image from a security camera of Mohammed Atta, the leader of one group of the September 11th hijackers as he is about to board the plane he flew into the World Trade Center tower. I guess because he wore no beard, and didn't wear "Muslim garb, Mr. Williams would have blithely boarded the plane to be flown to his death.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2010 05:46 am
@djjd62,
Different issue here Djjd.

Howard Stern is not a journalist. His job does not involve his credibility. No one is saying that the Bill O'Reilly show should be censored, or that Juan Williams shouldn't be on TV.

The issue is whether Juan Williams can be a journalist after hurting his credibility and impartiality with demagoguery on Fox.

It is no longer appropriate for Williams to be a journalist. Not to worry, he can always be a Fox anchor.
Fido
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2010 05:48 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

I guess the idea is that if u have emotions qua the Moslems,
u must keep them secret; NPR opposes free speech.





David

Hate speech... Reason based upon emotion has no place in politics... Politics should be the place were people bring reason and intelligence to foresee and plan for the future... When we let emotions elect candidates, and let them then use emotions to justify doing the irrational we are not demonstrating democracy, but mobocracy...
 

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