Man Bashing, and what Men should do about it

@hawkeye10,

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I also do not feel marginalized or powerless

Good. You have just invalidated your own assertion that there is a problem for men because women have gained too much control. Men are not in difficulty, they are not in crisis, as you have claimed in thread after thread, including one you started which even raised the question of whether men were in danger of becoming obsolete because women would soon not need them for anything anymore. And, with the problem no longer existing, women are not to blame for the ills of men, which should cause women around the globe to breathe a sigh of relief.

Now let's see you discuss the subject of "gender relations" without complaining about women and what they do to men...

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You're crackin' me up now, FF . . .

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@firefly,

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Good. You have just invalidated your own assertion that there is a problem for men because women have gained too much control

No, because I have said that once humans are forged they change little, no matter what happens around them. I was forged by 1985, before the sex laws went bat shot crazy, before the radicals took over the feminist movement, before men really began to get dangerously spineless. I was never going to be in trouble because I was never going to allow myself to feel marginalized or spineless even though I might have the right to feel that way just as I was never going to claim the victim identity even though I have more right to it than most people do.

I have also noted that while I have at times slipped that generally I refuse to allow the women around me to run over me. The fact that I do not allow such behaviour does not mean that it generally does not happen as I claim it does.

I do note your logic failure however, that if I don't feel such then men must be ok.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

I was forged by 1985, . . . before the radicals took over the feminist movement, before men really began to get dangerously spineless.

You're hilarious, you don't know a goddamned thing about the history of feminism. You just make this **** up as you go along, don't you?

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@Setanta,

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You just make this **** up as you go along, don't you?

no

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Oh yeah you do. You have started by begging a question, asserting that people are set in their character early in life, without substantiating that claim. Then you make extravagent claims about "sex laws" (the rape laws, including the statutory rape laws, have been around since long before 1985) which you haven't (and can't) substantiate, and you make a nonsense claim about feminism, which strongly suggests that you weren't aware of feminism in the later 1960s, and the history of feminism in this country.

You just make **** up as you go along because you are essentially clueless. You make claims, and then try to shoehorn "evidence" into support for you claims, if you even bother to try to present any evidence--a rare event indeed with you. Otherwise, you do exactly what you have done here. You make **** up, which you will later claim to have been a logical support for your position, ignoring the fact that it is rife with logical fallacy.

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@Setanta,

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You make **** up, which you will later claim to have been a logical support for your position, ignoring the fact that it is rife with logical fallacy.

I make general statements that reflect what I have learned in life, seen in life, and if those statements are disputed I am willing to put my evidence against the one who does not agree, IF they are likewise willing to support their assertions. I do not consider it my job to be your research person. If you dont know enough about the subject to form your own opinion that is your problem not mine.

In my experience a lot of what are claimed to be logical fallacies at A2k are rather the person who is claiming the fallacy falling to exercise reasonable comprehension skills, though I am always willing to get to the bottom of the matter.

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@hawkeye10,

You don't provide any evidence. What evidence do you have that, quote: ". . . because I have said that once humans are forged they change little, no matter what happens around them."--you having said it is not evidence that it is true. What evidence do you have that sex laws were changed after 1985? (Coming up with revisions to criminal codes won't be evidence of significant revision of "sex laws," and you haven't even bothered to go to that trouble.) What evidence do you have that feminism became more radical after 1985? You haven't presented any evidence at all, and that is typical of you.

You don't have to "by" my research person. I don't have any research to do. If you make claims, you are obliged to support them. No one is obliged to disprove them.

If you want to "get to the bottom of the matter," then support your claims. Otherwise, what we have here is a set of fallacies, starting with your question begging about people being "forged." The most common of your logical failings is the use of ipse dixit which you subsequently mis-characterize as "evidence" and logical argument.

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@hawkeye10,

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What men should do in response to man-bashing is assert their value, virtue, and purpose as men, assert the authority
they need as men to do their jobs, and take on the responsibilities that are associated with the male role.

hawkeye10 wrote:

http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2010/08/women-also-bash-men-because-they-believe-in-them/

I agree, though the way I put it is that men should stop taking **** from women.
Real men stand up for themselves when we are right, and admit that we are wrong when we are wrong.

Hawkeye, Y woud u take it SERIOUSLY ?????
On the odd n seldom occasions that I 've heard any of that,
I just laffed it off, or just smiled; MAYBE played with the logic
of allegations, if I were in the mood for it.

For sure, THAT has nothing to do with being "timid".
As to chicks taking over leadership, that is purely a matter
of the legitimacy of their jurisdiction (not gender-related).

I 've never felt a need to "assert" male gender-based value nor "virtue."

David

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@hawkeye10,

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I refuse to allow the women around me to run over me

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@OmSigDAVID,

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Hawkeye, Y woud u take it SERIOUSLY ?????

IDK, but I have heard enough women complain of men who are timid, emotionally unavailable, non commutative and who habitually resort to lies to get out of confrontations that I believe it.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

I have also noted that while I have at times slipped that generally I refuse
to allow the women around me to run over me.

I 've found that this problem seldom arises, but if it DOES,
I don 't allow ANYONE (man nor beast) to "run over me."

David

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@hawkeye10,

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Hawkeye, Y woud u take it SERIOUSLY ?????

hawkeye10 wrote:

IDK, but I have heard enough women complain of men who are timid,
emotionally unavailable, non commutative and who habitually resort to lies to get out of confrontations that I believe it.

Those assertions woud roll off me, like water off a duck
and I 'd turn our attention to something that is FUN,
whatever the available case may be (not to deny that argument can be fun, if u do it right).

David

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@hawkeye10,

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What men should do in response to man-bashing is assert their value, virtue, and purpose as men

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@firefly,

U keep getting terrific cartoons; I wonder where thay come from ?

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@OmSigDAVID,

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Those assertions woud roll off me, like water off a duck

Likewise, but often nobody knows a man better than his woman, so when I keep hearing this about men from women I give it credibility.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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I 've found that this problem seldom arises, but if it DOES,
I don 't allow ANYONE (man nor beast) to "run over me."

I know a LOT of men who are emotionally bullied by their women at home behind closed doors.

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@hawkeye10,

David wrote:

I 've found that this problem seldom arises, but if it DOES,
I don 't allow ANYONE (man nor beast) to "run over me."

hawkeye10 wrote:

I know a LOT of men who are emotionally bullied
by their women at home behind closed doors.

How did u find out ??

It shoud be borne in mind
that a relationship is controlled by he who cares about it the LEAST.

David

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@hawkeye10,

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I know a LOT of men who are emotionally bullied by their women at home behind closed doors

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@OmSigDAVID,

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How did u find out ??

close set houses, thin walls, chit chat, watching, talking to guys on the internet, my wife telling me what she hears when the women gossip.

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It should be borne in mind
that a relationship is controlled by he who cares about it the LEAST

this has no bearing on my assertion, but would you explain please? I would buy that the one who demands control of the relationship likely is the most fearful, the least confident, is displaying a lack of confidence in their power, but it is a sign of not caring about the relationship?? I think when people bully they are confident that they will get away with it, that the relationship will not be in danger. Most of the time however control is decided by agreement, both the controller and the controlled have consented to the power structure.

I am not objecting to men agreeing to being controlled by their woman, I am objecting to the cultural teaching that this is the expected, that men who refuse are knuckle draggers who are a potential danger to women. This idea that men must do everything possible to act around women like they will comply with womens demands or else be branded a threat that women need to avoid has gotten way out of hand. There is a 1000 miles between a man who is willing to stand up for himself and a man who will beat on or rape a woman, but the fear mongers tell a different story.

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