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Man Bashing, and what Men should do about it

 
 
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Tue 5 Oct, 2010 11:12 pm
@Pemerson,
Quote:
The world today, right this very minute, is as good as it gets
Increasing evidence that our systems are broken, the we are spiritually in a funk, and with proof that not only is suffering increasing rapidly but that we have no plan to address it because our systems no longer work to solve problems you still think that this is as good as it gets?

You should file a law suit against who ever gave you your so called education, because you were swindled.
Pemerson
 
  1  
Wed 6 Oct, 2010 12:19 am
@hawkeye10,
Guess you must have been stiffed too. You don't know your history.
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hingehead
 
  3  
Wed 6 Oct, 2010 01:06 am
@hawkeye10,
Oh, now I can see what you're talking about, but all this talk of 'letting women run them over', 'still having balls' and 'aren't taken seriously' makes me think you have a much lower opinion of men than do the women you think 'bash' them.

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I certainly think that we have to do something to get away from the mindset that every man is a potential abuser of women and get to the reality that very few men abuse women, and that one is presumed innocent untill proven guilty.


Uh, as a few people have said, that's your world view, I don't have the sense that anyone thinks I'm a potential abuser.

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very few men abuse women

That doesn't mean none do, in fact, to borrow some of your survey logic those 'very few' are doing a heck of lot of abusing.

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They young men need to be treated as if they practice equality and non violence until and unless it becomes clear that they don't.


That's a really odd thing to say. That's like saying treat someone like a vegetarian until you see them eat meat. Better to treat them like humans with courtesy until they do something stupid.

I'm having trouble imagining what exactly you are talking about. Do you mean if a woman on her own crosses a street rather than pass close to a group of men drinking on a street corner and risk an inappropriate act or comment, she is pre-judging them? Or do you have a particular experience in mind that pisses you off?

I sincerely doubt that there is less sex happening per young person now, than say 50 years ago, so I'm guessing a large percentage went without partnered sex for long periods ago back then too. But you claim things were better then, and only now are our young men 'lost'.

Sex isn't soma.
hawkeye10
 
  -2  
Wed 6 Oct, 2010 01:45 am
@hingehead,
Quote:
Oh, now I can see what you're talking about, but all this talk of 'letting women run them over', 'still having balls' and 'aren't taken seriously' makes me think you have a much lower opinion of men than do the women you think 'bash' them
I have not made up my mind who has failed the worse, men or women.

Quote:
Uh, as a few people have said, that's your world view, I don't have the sense that anyone thinks I'm a potential abuser
Bullshit...Men who dont bend over backwards to be non threatening towards women that they dont know very well are generally shunned. You live in a world where a man whistling at a woman is considered hostile, so get a clue pal.

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I sincerely doubt that there is less sex happening per young person now, than say 50 years ago,
You are probably right, but the guys 50 years ago did not live in a world where sex is everywhere, did not use porn several hours a week, and did not need to deal with a sex life that massively failed to live up to expectations. Expecting and thinking you should have what is all around you but having nothing is a lot different then not getting any but knowing that once you find a girl to marry you will get all you want, this back in the day when people got married much younger than they do today.
hawkeye10
 
  -2  
Wed 6 Oct, 2010 01:54 am
@hingehead,
Quote:
I'm having trouble imagining what exactly you are talking about. Do you mean if a woman on her own crosses a street rather than pass close to a group of men drinking on a street corner and risk an inappropriate act or comment, she is pre-judging them? Or do you have a particular experience in mind that pisses you off?
That would be alienated young men, by 25 with likely no useful degree, no decent job, no start in any career, no sex life, no woman who cares about them, living off of mom and dad who increasingly can not afford to continue to support their adult child....who just so happens to be still in his old bedroom because he has no other place to go. I am talking about men who are losers by the time they are 25, with no realistic hope that this is going to change, with nothing to do with their time but stew and get into trouble, and who at some point are going to say **** it, join some tea partyish group, and start agitating to burn down the society that they feel has so fucked them over.

I've got a problem with that outcome. I would like to attempt to avoid it.
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hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Wed 6 Oct, 2010 02:09 am
@OmSigDAVID,
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but it has never occurred to me to MODEL myself after anyone
Your family life as a kid must have been very strange. Almost everyone man is greatly influenced by his father, either motivated to be like dad or to be the opposite of dad, and yet you say this never entered your mind. The two most likely reasons are that you family was physically dead, or else was emotionally dead.

I am not a shrink, but I have stay at a Holiday Inn Express before....
hingehead
 
  4  
Wed 6 Oct, 2010 02:27 am
@hawkeye10,

I said wrote:
Uh, as a few people have said, that's your world view, I don't have the sense that anyone thinks I'm a potential abuser


you said wrote:
Bullshit...Men who dont bend over backwards to be non threatening towards women that they dont know very well are generally shunned. You live in a world where a man whistling at a woman is considered hostile, so get a clue pal.


You have no ******* idea about my world - you are the bullshit king as far as I can tell. I'm guessing that your definition of 'bending over backwards to be non-threatening' is not waving your dick at her the first time you meet?

Why the **** would I want to whistle at a woman? What a great way of letting you know you are interested. It's not considered hostile it's considered pointless and stupid. The last resort of the inarticulate woman fearer.

Have you ever considered that you only talk about women as things to have sex with? You're the one with a serious clue shortage. You're the last person to be providing advice to a young man about women. I think you're hostility to women is because they can sense what an asshole you are, even through your alluring whistle.

I've tried to give you the benefit of the doubt couple of times, even tried to be civil. Tired of it and you. Thank god dinosaurs become extinct.

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DrewDad
 
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Wed 6 Oct, 2010 08:59 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
You live in a world where a man whistling at a woman is considered hostile, so get a clue pal.

I do generally consider rude behavior to be hostile.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Wed 6 Oct, 2010 09:34 am
the best way to deal with man bashing is to cut women off and refuse to have sex with them. That'll show 'em. Let me know if we all can band together to do that guys, so I can buy stock in Duracell.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Sat 9 Oct, 2010 05:09 am
@hawkeye10,
David wrote:
but it has never occurred to me to MODEL myself after anyone
hawkeye10 wrote:
Your family life as a kid must have been very strange.
I did not perceive it so.
I spent a lot of time alone at home,
or in company with friends in the naborhood.

It was good for personal freedom.
No one disturbed me.




hawkeye10 wrote:
Almost everyone man is greatly influenced by his father,
either motivated to be like dad or to be the opposite of dad,
and yet you say this never entered your mind.
It never did, nor anyone else. It never occurred to me to wonder:
"how woud Patrick Henry or Thomas Paine have addressed this situation?"








hawkeye10 wrote:
The two most likely reasons are that you family was physically dead,
or else was emotionally dead.
Neither. I had a superb rapport with my mother and my father did not get in my way.
He was around until I drove him to Idlewild when I was about 20.
(He asked me for a lift.) My mother survived for several more years.






hawkeye10 wrote:
I am not a shrink, but I have stay at a Holiday Inn Express before....
R your housing accomodations germane to the topic ?





David
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hawkeye10
 
  -2  
Tue 12 Oct, 2010 05:12 pm
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Men, you may have heard, are having a major midlife crisis. They've lost more than 7 million jobs since 2007. Their wages are dropping. Increasingly superfluous, they're now the human equivalents of newspapers: out-of-step with a changing world and struggling to stay relevant, in some limited fashion, before they disappear entirely.

This bad news for the necktie industry, but great news for aspiring men's magazine publishers. Adrift and rudderless in the tricky currents of post-feminism and globalization, men need guidance, mentorship. Established men's magazines like Men's Health and Maxim are struggling to do that, but the instruction they offer is superficial and glib: "Beach muscle now!" "Shave my what?!" "Do you deserve a hotter girlfriend?" The oldest of the old guard—GQ, Esquire, Playboy—are even less tuned to the tenor of the times. Sequestered in their cashmere bubble of designer cologne ads and exquisitely curated layouts of super-premium tennis shoes, they're the cocksure house organs of male privilege, not male crisis. They do LeBron James in $8,000 suits, pithy guides to the world's best beers, in-depth investigative pieces on what Lindsay Lohan looks like in her underwear.

Their complacency leaves an opening for newer, younger voices who face the twilight of the patriarchy head on—and yet also provide a formula to restore men's cultural potency
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Or to put it another way: Out with the chest bumps and in with the hugs. These are men's magazines that nurture, men's magazines that wrap today's downsized, outsourced, overextended, underappreciated males in a cozy but masculine fleece of understanding and sympathy. But such comfort comes at a price. In feeling the pain of today's beleaguered males, these new men's mags also co-opt the dog-whistle decree that has informed women's magazines for years: You're not good enough. Try harder. With these 13 steps you can be a better person
http://www.slate.com/id/2270063
hawkeye10
 
  -3  
Tue 12 Oct, 2010 06:15 pm
@hawkeye10,
currently -2 voting for a post where I said nothing but document someone else saying roughly what I have been asserting, for my supporting my position. This kind of result calls into question the wisdom of the crowd as Robert likes to say. It does support my early assertion that the new a2k is systemically hostile to truth discovery.
Mame
 
  3  
Tue 12 Oct, 2010 08:40 pm
@hawkeye10,
YOUR truth is certainly not the majority of the respondents' here truth. We disagree and that does not make us wrong. And we therefore do not want to go down your truth discovery road - we think you've taken the wrong fork in the road. Do you understand that? We just disagree with you.
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djjd62
 
  1  
Wed 13 Oct, 2010 06:33 am
@hawkeye10,
you do realize the the vote down only affects the voter right, not other readers, i could care less if posts have a billion votes up or down

so the only reason to bring it up is you care what at least two people who don't like you think about you

that way lies madness
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Wed 13 Oct, 2010 07:00 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
currently -2 voting for a post where I said nothing but document someone else saying roughly what I have been asserting, for my supporting my position. This kind of result calls into question the wisdom of the crowd as Robert likes to say. It does support my early assertion that the new a2k is systemically hostile to truth discovery.
Thay r probably just BOOing u because thay don 't like u.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Wed 13 Oct, 2010 07:02 am
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:
you do realize the the vote down only affects the voter right, not other readers,
i could care less if posts have a billion votes up or down
HOW MUCH less coud u care ??
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DrewDad
 
  2  
Wed 13 Oct, 2010 08:53 am
@hawkeye10,
That article isn't exactly man-bashing, or even describing man-bashing.

It's saying the old guard is out of step.

Might I suggest that you represent the old guard?
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Wed 13 Oct, 2010 11:17 am
@DrewDad,
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That article isn't exactly man-bashing, or even describing man-bashing.

It's saying the old guard is out of step.
I think it opines that men have lost their footing, and that traditional men's mags seem clueless and unhelpful. I think this goes both to support my argument as well as to suggest as I have that this problem is being ignored. I further suggest that it is being ignored because men generally STILL have been raised to believe that to complain is a weakness, that our duty is to suck it up and drive on. I also believe that many men are in the habit of ignoring problems that we cant solve, this is a trait that runs deep in traditional masculinity.
Mame
 
  1  
Wed 13 Oct, 2010 02:03 pm
@hawkeye10,
And what are we supposed to do about it, exactly?
georgeob1
 
  2  
Wed 13 Oct, 2010 02:10 pm
@Mame,
I think Hawkeye wants men to become more like what he imagines women to be.

Unfortunately for him, he is wrong about women too.
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