Racism cured or only in temporary remission?

In the ideal world people would except your family and your lifestyle.....but they are not going to.

Also from what I hear, Bill Russell(Easily the greatest Boston sports star ever.)was subject to intense racial ridicule. Not only that but Larry Bird is much more beloved than Bill....and I may be wrong, but the reason for that is because he is white. Would "Larry Legend" still be thought of like that if he were black?

And from where I am from the dating of whites, and latinos is a non issue....unlike the dating of black and white.

Another thing, My friends all would date a black girl, but maybe only 2 would approve of a black guy dating their sister, which is very hypocritical I know.

This is a very complicated subject for me, but I really do not consider myself a racist. I am a Chicago Cubs fan, and when they hired Dusty Baker I was very happy.

I'm getting sleepy and I'm not sure this all ties together, but I'll explain it again later.

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In the ideal world people would except your family and your lifestyle.....but they are not going to.

Also from what I hear, Bill Russell(Easily the greatest Boston sports star ever.)was subject to intense racial ridicule. Not only that but Larry Bird is much more beloved than Bill....and I may be wrong, but the reason for that is because he is white. Would "Larry Legend" still be thought of like that if he were black?

And from where I am from the dating of whites, and latinos is a non issue....unlike the dating of black and white.

Another thing, My friends all would date a black girl, but maybe only 2 would approve of a black guy dating their sister, which is very hypocritical I know.

This is a very complicated subject for me, but I really do not consider myself a racist. I am a Chicago Cubs fan, and when they hired Dusty Baker I was very happy.

I'm getting sleepy and I'm not sure this all ties together, but I'll explain it again later.

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"New friends" -- ebrown_p

I really hope King George (the W) doesn't adopt this phrase,
because I like what it means right now.

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Racism exists because we make a distinction between masses and individual. A strong sense of individualism will overcome the curse that is the masses.

jonat3- Your post is a breath of fresh air. Thank you. And since we haven't met before, Welcome to A2K!

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I think that it is disingenuous to postulate individualism as a societal cure. That’s the proverbial “throwing out the baby with the bath water”. The opposite of individualism is collectivism. Should the individual behave in a way that conforms to his or her self-interest, ignoring the interest and goals of the collective? That would result in anarchy and chaos. However, neither should people solely seek to conform to the collective, as it would repress individual self-expression and breed discontent. Thus, the answer is the balance between the two.

Many of you people who purport to be “individuals” and “humanist” in your outlook on issues and events are simply prevaricating to obfuscate the issue of race. Most of you making these individualistic claims are staunch patriots to America. You place a higher premium on American issues, interest, success, freedom, economics, lives, ect….far more than you place on people living outside America. Even here in America, you place premiums on lives of people that you can relate to the most, which are usually people of your own race or ethnicity.

If one juxtapose the reaction to the world trade center terrorist attacks of 911and the donations of blood and money to the victims and their families, with the terrorist bombing of USA embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, one see the truth. The attacks in Africa were attacks upon America, but the victims were primarily African and not Americans. There were not massive donations of blood to the Africans. There were not massive donations of money to victims and family. Yet, many of these people whose heart bleed for the Americans who died in 911, did not have the same reaction for the Africans. Hey, they would have probably died of aid or starvation anyway right? There lives have less value because the contribute less to humanity than American and white lives.

So do not talk to me about this humanist individualistic philosophy crap. Its just a bunch of BS subterfuge and cognitive dissonance.

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Noah The African wrote:

I think that it is disingenuous to postulate individualism as a societal cure. That's the proverbial "throwing out the baby with the bath water". The opposite of individualism is collectivism. Should the individual behave in a way that conforms to his or her self-interest, ignoring the interest and goals of the collective? That would result in anarchy and chaos. However, neither should people solely seek to conform to the collective, as it would repress individual self-expression and breed discontent. Thus, the answer is the balance between the two.

Many of you people who purport to be "individuals" and "humanist" in your outlook on issues and events are simply prevaricating to obfuscate the issue of race. Most of you making these individualistic claims are staunch patriots to America. You place a higher premium on American issues, interest, success, freedom, economics, lives, ect.far more than you place on people living outside America. Even here in America, you place premiums on lives of people that you can relate to the most, which are usually people of your own race or ethnicity.

If one juxtapose the reaction to the world trade center terrorist attacks of 911and the donations of blood and money to the victims and their families, with the terrorist bombing of USA embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, one see the truth. The attacks in Africa were attacks upon America, but the victims were primarily African and not Americans. There were not massive donations of blood to the Africans. There were not massive donations of money to victims and family. Yet, many of these people whose heart bleed for the Americans who died in 911, did not have the same reaction for the Africans. Hey, they would have probably died of aid or starvation anyway right? There lives have less value because the contribute less to humanity than American and white lives.

So do not talk to me about this humanist individualistic philosophy crap. Its just a bunch of BS subterfuge and cognitive dissonance.

I never saw so many big words...you're Johnny Cocoran aren't you? go ahead and admit it......

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Who ami I...
"ahm yo moma,
ahm yo daddy,
ahm that n1gga in the alley"

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I think that what Mr. Brown fails to realize is that birds of a feather flock together. Given that he is a multi-racial individual, the people who he gravitates toward and who gravitates toward him, will likely be people of the same ilk. Thus, his circles are not likely a microcosm or representative sample set of people’s attitudes about race. Which means that he cannot extrapolate that what is true for his small part of the whole, is thus true for the whole.

It is funny who much times whites spend feuding or conservatism vs liberalism. Yet, you will not find whites moving out of communities because too many white liberals have moved in. You will not find property values stagnating because of a white liberal or conservative influx into a community. You will not find white people getting upset at the though of their kids going to school with the children of white liberals or conservatives or God forbid if one of their children gets pregnant by a white liberal. However, these are things that does manifest from race. If whites have so much passion about conservatism vs liberalism, yet, that passion does not translate to exclusion or discrimination against whites that are conservative or liberal, then one can only imagine the bottled up passion that exist for race.

The thing is that there Is no taboo on being anti another political ideology, while there is a taboo on being anti another race. Thus, whites feel free to express the political views…but not their racial views. However, their racial views come out on things such as the type of community and school district that want to live and send their schools too or the type of people that they want their children to date or marry.

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You just hate white people Noah old buddy....nothing will change your mind....you don't want to change your mind......and that's strictly your problem......so rave on...it'll keep you warm....

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I am intrigued by the methodology you used to conclude that I am filled with hate of white people. Do you mind sharing this acumen you have? My guess is that you have engaged in the psychology of “projection”. That is when one project what is or what would be true of themselves, to be true for another, in the absence of knowledge of another’s motivation.

In light of that, I assume that you feel that with the history of white and black relationships, that I have grounds to hate white people, given all the mistreatment and what not. However, I am better than that. I do not wish to subdue myself with hate or any other emotions that hurt me more than it could possible hurt others.

However, you are certainly free to “Project” until the cows come home.

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Well your opening post said white people are racist....and all responses so far on this thread have led to the same thing. That's my methodology. Of course I'm not that bright and I'm not that educated, but I don't have to be to read the writing on the wall.

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I never said that ALL white people are racist. I said that most white people believe in white supremacy as a rational conclusion of the gaps in this world between whites and blacks. Hence, I concluded that this rationalization made them racist. Fortunately, the only thing that I hate about this is not any people, but rather, the conditions created from racist people over the last 400 years. I hate to have to look at a world where most of the people who look like me are suffering. However, that does not imply that I hate any group of peoples.

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However, their racial views come out on things such as the type of community and school district that want to live and send their schools too or the type of people that they want their children to date or marry.

I would argue that this is not a racial issue, but a class issue. You use the example of politics, but I would argue that whites will move out of a neighborhood if lower-class whites move in. Actually, people of any race would move. Happens everyday where I live.

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God forbid if one of their children gets pregnant by a white liberal.

No - God forbid one of their children gets pregnant by white trash from the projects. Class lines know no skin color. I believe that classism, not racism, is the elephant in the living room that everyone ignores and is the biggest issue facing us.

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well I'm not concerned then....I have no class....

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Oh come on now…that is ridiculous. How can someone from another class move into your community and lower property values? If they can afford to live in that community, then obviously they are in your economic class. If you live in a community of 200,000-dollar homes, in a market where the median home price is around 175,000, it is not likely that poor whites will be moving to your community. However, there are many suburbs around this nation, that were once nearly all white, but when the black population reached the 20% threshold, the white exodus accelerated and property values decelerated. Southfield Michigan, a Detroit suburb, is a case study of this phenomenon.

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Noah The African wrote:

I never said that ALL white people are racist. I said that most white people believe in white supremacy as a rational conclusion of the gaps in this world between whites and blacks. Hence, I concluded that this rationalization made them racist. Fortunately, the only thing that I hate about this is not any people, but rather, the conditions created from racist people over the last 400 years. I hate to have to look at a world where most of the people who look like me are suffering. However, that does not imply that I hate any group of peoples.

The statement that "most white people believe in white supremacy as a rational conclusion" is certainly not designed to convince others that you are not racist. I would be interested to know upon what basis you make such a sweeping generality. The population of the earth is roughly six billion. Even erring on the side of a conservative estimate, that's at least one billion white people. Care to show how you can characterize "most" of a billion (and possibly a good deal more) people, in any regard?

By the way, this sentence: " I said that most white people believe in white supremacy as a rational conclusion of the gaps in this world between whites and blacks." is murky, and poorly constructed. A gap does not call for a conclusion. You might explain a little better what precisely you meant. I am assuming, for purposes of discussion, that you intend to say that most white people see a gap in the economic and/or social conditions of blacks and whites, and conclude that this means that whites are racially superior. Leaving aside the argument i've already made that such a statement is unsupportable, i would point out that you have also extrapolated from the situation in the United States a description of conditions all over the world. Lots of white folks in this world, and in the United States as well, endure grinding poverty. I would posit to you that the concept of white supremacy is a propaganda tool of racist political agitators who offer it as an ideology to cling to, to the poor white man or woman who has nothing. It both mobilizes petty hatred in the venal, self-serving cause of said politician, and it distracts the impoverished "poor, white trash" from seeking economic justice for themselves.

I agree with those here who have characterized your screed as racist.

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Well at least Noah is a Curtis Mayfield fan. That makes him okay in my book, even if I don't completely agree with his thesis.

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I don't know him (assuming him from Noah), so i'm not saying he is racist. What he has written seems to have a strong anti-white, and therefore racist, bias. Curtis Mayfield is indeed a mighty musician.

Racism cured or only in temporary remission?

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